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Some friendly words - part 2. It's over.

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ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 30/10/2019 22:42

First of all I wanted to apologise to the lovely people who were so supportive on my original thread. I had it deleted because I had a weird 'outing' experience, but it doesn't matter now because this evening I had the phone call telling me it was definitely over.

I thought we had been making some progress trying to work things out, but no, it's done.

22 years destroyed in the space of a few months.

In his words, something just switched off. Which is nice.

I don't believe there is an OW, but I suspect there may well be shortly.

Moving away for a job, living in the village he grew up in which he had never wanted to leave originally, and where he now feels more at home than he has done in years. And yes, he did say that, although he did apologise when I pointed out that didn't make me feel super wonderful.

Too much time alone, too much time to dwell and gnaw at all the little things that weren't quite right, all the little niggles, and BOOM suddenly he's able to completely shut, bolt and nail the door up behind him,

And I am just broken. I know I am strong, I know I can get through this, but blimey, it is just, pain.

It seems such a dreadful waste. Ironically, if he hadn't got this job earlier in the year, we may well have been in Las Vegas now, celebrating 20 years of marriage, which is somewhere I'd always wanted to go, and we were going to splurge, irregardless of our not terribly healthy finances.

I just did not see this coming. I still believe our niggles, issues etc were eminently fixable. But fixing them needed someone who was present. And he evidently hasn't been for the past few months.

It seems to have happened very quickly in his head. There was a catalyst of moving within the village 2 months ago at which point it's like a light went out.

So we never had a chance really, he never said how he was feeling because there doesn't seem to have been a period of doubt, just love one day, nothing the next.

Have to work out how to tell the children (well, young adults).

As is so often the case, the one person I would turn to, talk to, the one person I could rely on to have my back, to make me feel better just by being there...is the very person who has broken me.

Of course I still love him. He's been my love, my person, my best friend for all this time, and to lose all of those is horrifying.

We 'got' each other so much, on so many levels just not having that is more than I feel I can bear. I feel like I'm bursting out of my skin.

When he first told me how he felt, and then when we were talking so I wasn't sure, but hoped there was a chance, I thought that limbo was bad, and actually knowing might feel better. It doesn't.

If anyone is there, please could you spare a moment.

I am very lucky, I have some wonderful friends, but at the moment I just can't go to bed and I feel, just, horrible.

Thank you

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SuperbMonkey · 01/01/2020 01:20

Happy New Year everyone. This festive season has been so, so hard. I’m glad it’s almost over, even if 2020 has obstacles to overcome.

unicornsarereal72 · 01/01/2020 08:56

New year new start.

@Bigpooh13 have you had some legal advice? I got an hour free when we first split. Got all the numbers written down. Value of house. Remaining mortgage. Debt etc. ( we were t married). And got the information I needed moving forward.

I found the mn phrase 'that doesn't work for me'. Useful.

Ask him to put his proposal in an e mail for your solicitor to consider. And go as low contact as you can.

I have had far too much contact with my ex over Christmas. And even now it affects me. He still wants me to make it all ok for him and ease his guilt. I just want him to stay away. So need to keep my guard up.

I'm sure like yours @Jacteller mine will for spent a fortune out drinking and celebrating over the festive period. Whilst only paying three lots of child support in the last 18 months. It makes me so very angry. I don't understand why he won't pay. I guess he wants me to suffer. 🤷‍♀️. I've no idea why, he left me for ow. This is what he wanted.

Fairygirl123 · 01/01/2020 09:41

Silly really..... I woke up this morning expecting to feel different just because it was a new year. I was glad to see the back of 2019 but 2020 will be just as tough as I know I have to get on with the divorce. Married 22 years, 2 DC both at Uni - my DH left for the first time over a year ago saying he didn’t want to be married any more, came back after 3 months to try again, then left again and later admitted to an 18 month affair with someone at work. And has since moved on to a second relationship. His lack of compassion for me and the DC astounds me every day. It’s now all about him. About his upset. How he faces losing his DC and the comfort of his home. He just can’t see these are the consequences of the choices he made. So I guess for me 2020 has to be the year I finally accept our marriage is over and that it’s time for me to move on. As he has. The one thing that comforts me is that I still have the love and respect of my DC. And that means the world to me. Hoping you will all keep me company and keep me strong as I jump on the divorce rollercoaster.....

SuperbMonkey · 01/01/2020 10:19

@unicornsarereal72, good to hear from you. It is odd how they seem to want us to shoulder all responsibility for their guilt. I suppose acceptance is the way forward but I find that difficult.

@Fairygirl123, welcome to the chat, although I’m sorry you find yourself here. I think we all share the sadness at the lack of compassion. Your comment about consequences is spot on. I’m facing divorce in 2020 and I am terrified of how it will work out. It too will pass, but it is going to be hard. We will keep each other company and move forward together.

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, hope you are ok? Also hope that you don’t feel the thread has been hijacked. I am grateful to you for starting it, and so many people are finding it helpful, I wanted to keep it going.

Bigpooh13 · 01/01/2020 11:12

Its unreal it's all about their life now. I get cant afford to give you anything anymore as I've got a broken down boiler and need electrician . Not my problem you choose that and I'm selling you car as I need the money. This always mean s I'm gonna have to lower your settlement money as cant afford that now. Ffs. Then tells me where he has been out and asks where I'm going. Then wants to come n see me. Why. ???. I'm doing my financial stuff for the divorce but cant concentrate. Just too much. You all help me to get stronger. I appreciate it.

SuperbMonkey · 01/01/2020 12:06

@Bigpooh13, I’m so sorry to read about your difficulties. You said that you had seen a solicitor. Is it possible to leave the financial discussions to them? It does sound as if you are being manipulated, and that causes distress, and you are not then strong enough to look after your financial position. Do you still work in the joint business with your husband? Are you receiving your pay? If not can you find another job? I know that’s hard because I’m in the same boat. It would give you another focus though.

Fairygirl123 · 01/01/2020 12:22

And what I don’t get is how they present themselves as being the victim! What did they think was going to happen when they had an affair? Did they really not think we would value our own self respect more than we value them. At the moment I’m just dealing with the emotional fall out of it all. Still sharing a joint bank account but I’m guessing that will need to stop soon. And then the fun will start..... I guess best advice is to let the solicitors do their stuff but it’s a huge worry we have to live with whilst seemingly they get on with the new life they chose.

caketimeisover · 01/01/2020 13:38

I stayed with my sister and her family last night. Lovely family lunch with her, her husband, their 3 kids and our parents today... Except my babies aren't here, they're with their dad. Heartbroken doesn't quite cover it really does it?

In terms of starting divorce proceedings - I did have an hour with a solicitor, definitely necessary but it wasn't massively helpful to be honest. I then spent some time with a divorce consultant I was recommended - a qualified family solicitor who does consulting from her home. Much more sympathetic and cost effective than a solicitor, and she's also available for advice over email. She's been invaluable. She walked me through the divorce application form so I could do it myself (solicitor wanted £1000+VAT just to do that bit!) so I applied online, it's v straightforward. I then arranged mediation to try and agree everything without solicitors involved until necessary - cheaper, less acrimonious etc. Although I did spend most of our first session quietly crying... Getting going with this, working through my expenses etc has been a welcome distraction to be honest, and a good focus on the future. I do quite like a spreadsheet to be fair! Just want to get on with this and get to whatever the new normal is. And get to a place where I'm not so sad any more. God I've been so sad for so so long.

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies also hoping you're ok. It's sad any of us need it, but this thread had been a great support.

Hugs people. This year will be happier.

SuperbMonkey · 01/01/2020 17:20

@caketimeisover the way you have approached this is inspiring. How did you find the divorce consultant?

Bigpooh13 · 01/01/2020 17:31

I find writing stuff down in a journal helpfull it stops it spinning around in my head. I took myself to the beach were we used to go regularly today I sobbed most of the time but I did it . Apparently hes taking her to some of the other places we used to go to . He even said he didnt like my posts on Instagram ffs i didnt even know he was following me on it. But i he thinks it's alright to splash his life all over FB.

SuperbMonkey · 01/01/2020 17:52

@Bigpooh13, journaling sounds like a good idea. I must try it.

Probably best to ignore H on social media. It’s so childish to ‘not like’ your Instagram posts. Says more about him than it does about you.

Jacteller · 01/01/2020 19:14

Honestly I am seriously going mad at the douche bag, because the ow is over and it's his weekend to have the kids he wants to take them all like one big happy family to the cinema no problem it's his weekend,, but no he wants one of our kids to miss an activity he does on friday to go. Kid and myself told him activity starts back friday and then bang 4 hrs later when he asked and I refused as I am the one who pays monthly for the activities, he slams out of the house in the way saying blame your mother for this one, kid is now sobbing and in pieces. What a piece of work putting the kids in the middle, christ my eyes are opening wide to his games and control. Just feel sorry for my kids

Bigpooh13 · 01/01/2020 20:23

@SuperbMonkey. I'm no longer working on farm with him I couldnt do it as it's just us two side by side all day . I miss it . But no. And no he stopped paying my wages 2 weeks before xmas. . This is all still about them controlling us just for their benefit.

caketimeisover · 01/01/2020 21:39

@SuperbMonkey it's just one foot in front of the other at the moment! The divorce consultant was someone my sister knew of - she's based in Surrey, I can PM you the details if that would help?

@Bigpooh13 sorry you're having such a crappy time. For me, every time I think about him and her, their new life etc it feels like someone is literally squeezing my heart, I feel so sad and anxious. So am trying very very hard to harden my heart and cut him out. Blocked him (and her) on social media, as little contact as possible, all communication via email and mediation (aside a couple of words if needed as I hand over the kids). It's so hard to go from best friends to just nothing, but the more emotional and mental distance between us the better. There's no point in talking about what's happened, it's done and I'll never get any answers that do anything other than make me feel even worse. His behaviour tells me everything I need to know. I don't need to know about his life and he doesn't need to know about mine (including how devastated I am). As our friend Chump Lady would say, shields up!

Bigpooh13 · 01/01/2020 21:42

@caketime . You are so right. I feel so stupid. Thank you. Just didnt believe he would behave this way with me. Cant wait to see if my solicitor is at work tomorrow. My hubby, best friend , etc has left the building.

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 01/01/2020 22:54

Hello, wishing 2020 is good for all of us.

I am sorry there are even more of us here now. But the warmth, support and strength I've found here has been such a lifesaver. Made me feel a lot less alone, even though I wish none of us were here. No hijacking fears, Superb - if anyone gets even a fraction of the comfort I've got from this thread then it's, well, not 'the more the merrier', but certainly strength in numbers.

Sharing experiences with people further down the track, at the same place or just at the start, people who know what it's like has been, and is, invaluable, even as it's been eye-opening in quite how similar some of these wankbadgers act.

Definitely, definitely all welcome - we are all awesome.
I’m sorry this is going to be epically long, but I want to catch up properly!

Bigpooh – not another one who’s regressed to a partner from years ago!! Unbelievable. Is there some kind of ‘sad and desperate, recapturing youth and behaving like a lovesick teen’ bug going around? That’s how many of us?

Unicorns, your plan sounds good, and I completely relate to not knowing quite what ‘your time’ will look like. I’m glad bad days are fewer. I don’t think it ever can be the same, but I do think there must come a time when the ‘new life’ becomes the norm, and not strange. I’ve read other threads of people further along (and on this one too) where that happens, so I really hope so.

I think H is unsettled by my low contact, for the same reasons you say – guilt and ego!

Superb I am sorry things aren’t going to be easy this year, but I am glad you had a good time with friends and will do so again. Glad friends are great, even if family, not so much…

Still, glad you got through Christmas, and sorry about your neighbour and tough times with elderly relatives. Going out, well I’ve done some, but I don’t really want to. All I really want to do is either sleep, or mope on the sofa. Have arranged to see 2 friends at the weekend and already feel like cancelling. Won’t though.

Do listen to Superb, who has put it beautifully – you are worth so much more, and it is doing those small things, like cooking, taking a walk or similar that I’ve found most helpful. Just a little something that takes you out of yourself, even for a short while. Something else to focus on.

I was all enthusiastic about mindfulness a little while ago, but haven’t really done much in the last week or so. I must try again from tomorrow – the tiny bit I did seemed quite useful.

Jacteller, I am so glad you’ve found some solidarity here – I said very early in the thread that I would never have imagined taking part in a conversation like this would mean so much, but it really does. Dd is going up to see H for a few days tomorrow and I feel very odd about it. It’s not overseas, but several hours away, and will be the first time she’ll have seen him in nearly 3 months, since he left here so shittily. I want her to have a good time with her dad, but as he’s been so odd with her on the phone, she’s not really looking forward to it. So I feel weird for me, and sad for her that what he’s done is so impacting her.

Vision, that bewilderment is definitely one of the worst things. That sense you’ll just wake up from it. Sharing and talking over it here has been such a help. I must confess I’m not brilliant at distracting myself when at home, but so far am finding reading is working best. Nothing like a nice easy crime thriller or apocalyptic disaster to take your mind off things!

I’m also finding it almost impossible to listen to music, as going see bands was something we’d done a lot of over the past few years and loved. Same with tv. So many things we’d watch together, and I haven’t really got the heart.

I’ve rearranged bedroom, got new bedding and some new clothes, and have packed some of his stuff up, but finding that very hard.

Caketime sounds like to are being really proactive and being really strong – and I love your mug! And yes to swearing! I’ve a local friend a few years down the line and she now swears like a trooper – it was funny seeing her the other day as we were both nice polite people before, but together it was most sweary!

Turmoil – I only read about hopium on CL today, and seem to find it all the time unfortunately, then get crushed again when something makes it obvious it’s misplaced. Head and heart definitely not in the same place.

Fairygirl, I honestly think part of the ‘bug’ I mentioned earlier with these men is that they become blinded to consequences. Their denial is so great they are totally bewildered (and sometimes hurt) when forced to face something unpleasant. It really would be a fascinating process if it wasn’t so bloody painful.

I’m in a weird place at the moment. Upped the dosage of anti-depressants which seems to be really working in terms of having some equilibrium. Still big ups and downs, but I have a little distance from some of the worst of it. And I am getting some sleep. And they do seem to have helped ease some of the menopause symptoms, which is a bonus (GP did mention this might be the case).

Had a lovely time with friends by the coast, but have been poleaxed by some very odd behaviour from H. First there was the Christmas card with the message suitable for a friendly acquaintance. Then I see he is now Facebook friends with his first love. Which I found out as she popped up top of my ‘suggestions’ list. So that was nice. Weirdly it isn’t the person I’d spotted on FB before, although they share a not very common first name, but this is definitely her. I can only assume this is first stage in them going official. I have no actual knowledge of a relationship, but…

Then he commented on a picture I posted on FB with a totally inappropriate for our circumstances way, which not only bemused me, but also several friends, one of whom messaged me to ask if we were back together!

Finally, he has asked dd to bring some stuff up to him. A few bits was ok, but he wanted other things that she had to ask me about, so I have sent a message telling him not to use her as an intermediary, but to contact me.

On the plus side, another of his relatives has contacted me to give her support, and is outraged at him.

I will be seeing a solicitor shortly, and want to get things moving.

Heart and head are not in accord, however, and I still love the git. I miss him so much, the closeness, the chats, the laughter, and I am floored by the idea of him not being my person any more. And I miss him physically. Particularly cuddles.

So a mixed bag, really.

I have some vague plans. Getting finances sorted. Buying one nice item of clothing a month and clearing out my rather crappy wardrobe. Going on days out. Taking up a hobby. Some of which are a bit difficult, as am skint, but got to start somewhere.

Phew, as I said, epically long.

But we will do this I know, we are such brilliant people. You are all so inspiring.

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caketimeisover · 02/01/2020 00:04

Relatives (or friends) being outraged is definitely helpful - although I hate that I have this underlying feeling that I'm being melodramatic or making a fuss, or that I should just be getting over it. Part of that is me, part of it is how he's behaved (lying, minimising, gaslighting etc). But it definitely helps so much when someone you know hears what has happened and goes "wtf?! He's a WANKER"!

On the plus side I am accumulating ideas for mugs. I'm definitely getting one that says "wankbadgers" on it. And another phrase I heard today - "Not today, Satan".

You're so incisive @ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies. I'm so sorry for the pain you're going through, and for all of us. This sucks. A virtual hand hold (and a little squeeze) to everyone xxx

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 02/01/2020 07:33

Thank you caketime. Handhold appreciated, and needed this morning.

Just had an incredibly reasonable response to my email, and am very low again.

The reasonable tone suggests someone who is being kind and thoughtful, which totally belies the shitty, shitty way he's dealt with all this.

And has the secondary effect that I realise quite how strong the hopium is in me, when it's really quite apparent there's neither hope nor hopium in the situation.

And there shouldn't be any, as he has been so cruel, dishonest and unkind that I shouldn't want him back. And it's gutting that I still do.

So today is definitely a few steps backwards day. And of course, it's my first day back at work.

Ho hum.

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SuperbMonkey · 02/01/2020 08:10

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, just a quick stop by to say have a handhold.

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 02/01/2020 08:17

Thank you Superb. Very needed. Feels like all the 'work' I've done has been undone, and I didn't realise quite how much I was hoping things would change.

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Bigpooh13 · 02/01/2020 08:48

What you write is exactly the same for most of us your feelings give me hope. All along I've been hoping he would come back by the way hes been acting with me . But it has been acting. I struggle with music as it was our thing quizzes etc. TV the same. It just washes over me like anquish. I wish I could offer more support to you all. I have started reading Runaway Husbands. Not into stuff like that normally but bloody hell it's an eye opener. Just amazing how these men just disappeared from the former self. I would recommend this book.

SuperbMonkey · 02/01/2020 11:05

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, @caketimeisover, @Bigpooh13, hello again.

Caketime, could you pm me? I’m not sure how you do that here. Where would I find the message? Thank you for that offer. It sounds as if it could be helpful for me. I like ‘Not today Satan’ as a phrase. One of the things I find difficult is him using friends as flying monkeys to give me difficult information. It isn’t fair on the friends, as it places them in an awkward position, and it means he avoids doing his own dirty work, which he has always done. Using people, another character flaw. I’ve told someone this morning that I’m moving on so I don’t want to talk about him when we next meet. Try reading chumplady on ‘get over it’ from yesterday’s home page post. It is so helpful - I have read it about 10 times already.

Big, you sound as if you are feeling more in control! I think that Runaway Husbands is working for you. You sound calm this morning. Quizzes for us too. Yes, they do seem to change drastically. Must be the testosterone kicking in. Perhaps it will help with the balding heads too to make them even more attractive! Mine certainly was obsessed with combing his comb over after using the hair restoring shampoo!

Bunnies, what awesome posts. The first one is so rational, so together. If you have gone backwards, which I don’t believe, you don’t sound as if you have. Good that you’ve got support from a relative. I have great support from another brother’s ex wife - she had the same happen to her 11 years ago so I had due warning. She has been brilliant. Relatives not so much, but he has told them that I am at fault due to madness. The Script again. I am sane, just depressed as a result of his shocking behaviour. I’m fed up with his patronising lectures and smug self-satisfaction. He has nothing to be smug about. Using your dd as an intermediary is a bit like using friends to pass on bad news. He can send me an email as I don’t want to see his smirking face again. My next step is to start filling out financial Form E and getting some house and pension valuations. I expect to hear that he is moving overseas or getting engaged at any second. After wasting 20 years plus he can’t afford to waste any more time ... And actually I can afford to waste even less!

I miss his presence when he was a decent human being but I don’t miss the narcissistic cheat and liar one bit.

Take care today everyone. xx

ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies · 02/01/2020 14:18

Bigpooh, yes, there is comfort in what others write, and so much strength, but today I am the soggy crumpled sock, rather than the Scarlett O'Hara (without the character flaws) I thought I was beginning to be.

I feel like I am so far backwards I will probably meet myself shortly, Superb. I knew the heart was still hopeful, but I thought the head was starting to move on. But after the email this morning I have realised that my subconscious was full on believing in the inevitability of his sudden flash of realisation, that he would come to his senses.

The fact that so many people have told me how odd he is behaving, how unbelievable it all is etc, while quite comforting, has actually helped build that hope. If so many other people think it, it must be the case that he will get his head straight.

But that isn't going to happen. And I feel like I'm having to deal with it, fresh, all over again.

And I am cross and disappointed in myself that I find myself here. I knew there would be ups and downs, but I have brought this colossal freefall on myself. And I hate that it is because of someone who has shown themselves to be not worthy of these feelings. However good our marriage was (and it was), and however lovely he was (and he was) right up to whenever the 'end' truly was, he is no longer that person.

Gah. He has just texted to say he's collected dd and I texted back a nice reply without thinking. What is wrong with me.

Bugger, bugger, bugger.

Have left work early and have wine which I know is stupid but I don't care.

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unicornsarereal72 · 02/01/2020 16:28

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies do what you need to. It won't always feel like this. But for now it's ok to wallow. Just dust yourself off tomorrow and start again

As for messages I don't reply to 'statements'. Once you get the hang of it. It becomes more natural for one word answers. I know it is petty but I also know it will really piss him off.

Sorry to hear of people struggles. We all deserve so much better. Although I know that doesn't help. Hope everyone has some nice plans for the weekend. We are off to the panto. The holidays have gone so quickly. And I have had some low points. But I have survived and just hope the children haven't noticed.

SuperbMonkey · 02/01/2020 16:52

@ASmallBoxofChocolateBunnies, I empathize with you completely. It’s understandable to be a soggy crumpled sock after contact. It reminds you of what you had, where what you had has travelled to, and gives the brief illusion that all is normal. A nice reply is ok too. You are human, not made of stone, and habits die hard. I found it hard not to respond to texts immediately, but I am in a position to block communication and have done that. I have kept one channel open for the necessary discussions but that’s all. I still feel very sad but, using chumplady, I am trying to channel my anger and get my self-respect back because that has taken a complete hammering. We need to be strong, but to be strong we have to take care of ourselves and wallow when required. Wallow away and I hope the wine’s a good one! You’re worth it!

@unicornsarereal72, it helps to hear from you because you are further down the line. Pissing them off is therapeutic too. I see that as taking back my power and not giving him his own way (which he hates). I feel proud to have survived the festive period as I told my therapist this afternoon. I haven’t come through it without scars, but I am positive about moving forward to a better life. This thread has helped me so much and will, I hope, continue to help. I know I can share my thoughts here in a safe place without judgement. Warm wishes. x

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