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His ex is still abusive and using their child as a weapon.

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Seribeth · 24/10/2019 10:48

I'll explain the back story as briefly as I can. Apologies in advance that this is a lengthy read - it's acting as a good vent too.

  • I met my partner in April this year. He is married but separated and has a young child. I have four children of my own.
  • The ex wife insisted on meeting with me sooner rather than later, no doubt to get a 'feel' for who I am and what I'm like. I entertained this without issue. I personally don't feel the need to meet the current partners of my children's fathers as I trust them entirely as far as the children are concerned, but everyone is different as a parent and I was happy to meet with her if it reassured from a maternal perspective. We more or less instantly became friends on social media as well, which again I didn't mind at all.
  • The ex had moved on before my partner and I met and is now with someone new herself.
  • Rules regarding their child were 1. I wasnt allowed to be left alone with them and 2. I wasnt allowed to post photos anywhere on social media unless they were also posed with my own children and the photo was 'flattering'.

At first sticking to these rules wasnt an issue. But as mine and my partner's relationship began to progress and we began to make happy memories, I wanted to be able to post the occasional picture I took of his child with his consent. Despite agreeing with the ex wife at the time of them being together that they wouldn't post pictures of their child on social media, my partner admitted he didn't feel as strongly about this as the ex did and didn't mind me posting photos so long as it wasnt often and I asked him if it was okay first.

To start with his ex didn't seem to mind and even commented positively to one or two of them. It wasnt until at least another couple of months down the line that my partner and I took his child out to the local park as it was a beautiful day weather wise. I wanted to take snaps of them together which he was fine with, but asked me not to upload them as the ex wanted to get out of going to a friends birthday party and was using him as the excuse to do so (as in he had to unexpectedly go to work that day so she had to look after their child).

I was instantly annoyed and asked why she couldn't just tell her friend that she didn't want to go. Why couldn't she say SHE was sick? I asked why she felt the need to use him, my partner, as her excuse to be a flaky friend rather than use her own partner? My partner agreed it was childish but he was going along with it, and it felt more so out of not wanting to deal with the aggro if he didn't than anything else.

This obviously didn't help how I felt and set some alarm bells in motion. When I made my discontent known, she responded with not being happy for me to post photos on social media anyway. This was all through my partner too, she never approached me herself. My partner began to handle things poorly, playing on my mental health diagnosis to her for the reason why I wasnt listening to her rule. He would tell me of her discontent but play it down, telling me he had it handled.

I didn't fully trust the situation. If he was already lying to her, using my ill health as an excuse, I questioned how he was attempting to handle the situation now. I decided to check his messages one day whilst he was at work. I wasnt worried about 'snooping', he had told me repeatedly he had little to hide and I was free to use his PC and so on.

As you can imagine, their conversation was 'fun' to read. She questioned by use of social media, stating my Instagram surely couldn't be private and safe as I had over 200+ followers and couldn't know that many people personally. Presumptuous bullshit to try and push her control over this whole situation (and yes, I do know that many people personally in real life! Being linked to an ex in the music industry will do that, along with moving away from many friends from my home town).

I removed her from my social media accounts. We barely interacted together on it anyway and it was from that point on that I got a profound sense of only being 'friends' on social media so she could stalk and make inaccurate presumptions about me. And obviously to check I was adhering to her orders of not posting any photographs.

She tried to friend me back, without a word, which I also declined. The last correspondence I read between my partner and her was that I was too extreme (for unfriending her presumably), she didn't want me near their child and trusted that he was making that happen. I finally exploded emotionally and messaged her to ask what the hell her problem was. She in turn pulled my partner into the chat before saying this wasnt about me, it had just been blown up to look like it was about me, and that my partner had been setting us off against the other.

I ranted at her and said she has belittled me and made me feel like a dangerous crazy person who can't be trusted, despite having done very little other than question her actions and opinions. Rather than explaining anything to me, she just shut me down and addressed my partner from that point on, so I left the conversation and blocked her across the board.

Approximately a week later we knew she had a solicitor appointment to start general divorce and custody proceedings. The day after that appointment she withheld my partner's access to their child, stating he wouldn't be seeing them again until they had mediation appointments. She didn't answer any of his questions or concerns about this interesting new arrangement and he was obviously devastated.

I had actually broken up with him on the same day, having had enough of the whole situation. I didn't have to stay in it and clearly I was going to have some competition in the form of his ex. He didn't talk to me all day. By bed time I asked him to message me just to say goodnight - say anything - so I wasnt so worried. He called me and told me the ex had stopped him from seeing their child and wasnt in a good place.

I apologised and said I didn't want the relationship to end, I just didn't know what else to do or how to simmer my emotions down from it (I have BPD but I'm in recovery. I'm a hell of a lot better now than I used to be but can still struggle bringing my emotions down sometimes).

So it's been about 6 weeks later. This all happened early September time. Over the last 6 weeks my partner and I have remained together. The ex had slowly withdrawn communication about the child altogether, refusing to send him photos or videos. They had solo mediation appointments and then finally a joint one. We hoped that he would be able to put his argument down with the mediator and start to get some say in all of this and I guess he's had a bit of a say, to an extent. He has also been allowed to see his child again - for a day or two - whereas before he was their primary carer. He had them for more time and spent more money on them in a week than his ex did. So this is quite a difficult transition for him at the moment.

I'm still not allowed around the child. My partner has apologised and knows it isn't ideal for us, before explaining he needs to build his ex's trust again. Apparently one of her main fears is that he will let me do whatever I want without question around their child (I think?) which amused me as that's exactly what she does. Demands and ascertains control over him emotionally to get what she wants. When it comes to their child I get the impression he isn't allowed a say over, well, anything.

She also had to be the one to tell HIS family of this drama as well before he could, making it known she wasnt happy with him and I. Of course his family were thoroughly confused and upset to start with. That has since churned into disbelief and anger that she's doing this.

I actually agree with her and believe this isn't about me at all but about her trying to retain control over their relationship - whatever form that takes - and their child. Shes just using me as a pawn whilst trying to make herself look like the innocent, hard done to party. She still hasn't explained any of her fears to me about the use of social media but for the most I suspect they're bullshit anyway. She once said "Bloody Facebook, amirite?" to my partner after moaning about me in relation to it, yet I know she sits on it far more than I do. I know she has stalked me on it too and probably still tries to.

It's like... she is actually guilty of these things but is trying to project them onto me? And it's very clear she doesn't trust my partner but mostly because he has an acute fear of confrontation and will just say anything to us to keep us happy. I can imagine after so many years of this she is fed up with it, but she also fully uses it to her advantage. He has to build her trust now in mediation apparently, yet he's had to receive counselling lately for severe anxiety and the fact she has emotionally toyed with him.

I doubt the question of being both emotionally immature and abusive wont be raised at mediation and I feel like she will just verbally walk all over him at these appointments, because it's all shes done so far, whilst tentatively feeding him scraps of information about their child and letting him see them for a minimum amount of time each week.

He has every legal entitlement to his child but wont disrupt their routine or take them from their mother because he has fucking intelligence and realises they're a person, not property to be wrestled and used as a bargaining tool. He's terrified of facing the ex and pushing for what he wants incase she withdraws access to their child again, including during the courts process which could take months to finalise.

My anger over this is on a low simmer for the most. Occasionally the heat will be turned up and I'll want to rant about how unfair everything is, but thus far I haven't really. I did send her an email at some point telling her that she wasnt allowed to legally do this and called her a controlling bitch. She responded by threatening to report me for harassment! Yet she knows exactly how to snoop on me and harass my partner for money and items that don't belong to her of course.

I get angry at my partner and how he's dealt with all of this too. I struggle to see our future and that really bothers me. I would like to get married at some point but I highly doubt he will after all of this (and I cant blame him really). I'm just scared and often feel I need to walk away now before things get any worse. I'm sure his ex can approve other partners in the future, hey?

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ChaosisntapitChaosisaladder19 · 24/10/2019 10:55

Tbh you only been together 7 months. I'm gobsmacked you've met her let alone be expected to have her on you're own. The childs parents just split up and literally been introduced to new partners complete and utter madness. You need to take a step back, it must be so confusing for her. I also wouldn't want my exact new GF posting pictures on social media of my child I would find that intrusive and weird tbh.

MrsSpenserGregson · 24/10/2019 11:00

As you have a BPD diagnosis, I don't think you should be posting this and I'd ask for the thread to be removed if I were you. You aren't going to like the replies you receive here. You are clearly vulnerable and not reacting rationally to a very reasonable request from the child's mother not to post photos of the child on social media.

NoCauseRebel · 24/10/2019 11:00

Several things here OP.

Firstly, he’s not a partner he’s a boyfriend of five months.

Secondly, while I am generally not of the thought that there must be a certain time limit before new partners are introduced to children, I think that talk of “making happy memories” and putting pictures of your boyfriends child on social media after just three months of you getting together is way way way over investment in his child.

Equally while I don’t agree with women who use their children as pawns this leavel of involvement by an as yet short term girlfriend would make me incredibly uncomfortable as well, and while I wouldn’t withhold access to my child I would want to hope that I could have a reasonable and rational discussion with my ex about my discomfort with the situation.

You say she got together with her partner before you did, so that makes her relationship more long term and more established. You and this man are not even an established couple yet, so there is no comparison.

You need to back off here. He is going through mediation which is good. She is the one who instigated mediation which is also good and is an indication that she doesn’t seem to be out to control him or use the child as a weapon.

AmIThough · 24/10/2019 11:09

Honestly I think she's right and he's playing you both off against each other.

He's told her you're mentally unstable, by all accounts, so of course she's going to be paranoid about you being left alone with her child. He even pushed you to the point where you kind of proved his point by blowing up. He's had those conversation with her - that's on him.

He's told you she's abusive but I don't think she is.

It's understandable she doesn't want to see you playing happy families with her children all over social media. It's understandable she doesn't want lots of strangers seeing those pictures.

Honestly I think he is the problem here.

DisneyMadeMeDoIt · 24/10/2019 11:13

Oh god, I thought I’d misread and you’d been together since April LAST year.
‘As our relationship progressed’ - you’ve been dating 6/7 months!!! Your relationship has not progressed anywhere near far enough for the issues you describe

Lllot5 · 24/10/2019 11:14

You have only been seeing your boyfriend ( not partner) since April, you shouldn’t have met his dc yet any way. Definitely overstepping posting anything concerned with them on social media. Back off

LemonTT · 24/10/2019 11:19

You definitely need to step back and away from this situation. It is not good for your mental health and your behaviours are becoming increasingly aggressive and abusive.

Even without rants at the ex and abusive emails, you weren’t handling this situation well at all. You have stepped across boundaries on a number of occasions. Despite agreeing not to post photos, you repeatedly did, you expressed discontent about her actions to avoid a party and you questioned her opinions. This was always going to cause trouble for you and your boyfriend.

To answer your question, I don’t think you should be this relationship. For you mental health and because you are likely to behave in a way that will have negative repercussions for you and others.

Quartz2208 · 24/10/2019 11:19

For your own sake back away now. She has every right not to want her child used like that on social media and many would agree with her.

Witchofzog · 24/10/2019 11:21

Social media is NOT worth all this drama. Stop posting photos of his children. This is what started all this. Social media is NOT more important than what a mother wants for HER child

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:22

Okay first off, being told I shouldn't post here because I have a diagnosis of BPD is incredibly stigmatizing. I also say I'm in recovery and I'm doing well. Just because I have BPD means I have no place here? No. And its opinions like that that need to be nipped in the bud sooner than later. I have been in a vulnerable place in the past but I wouldn't say I was there now.

Secondly, can someone explain what's so dangerous about posting pictures of your children on social media? All them paedophiles I suspect? The same paedophiles that buy and trade naked or compromised photos of a child on the dark web primarily? I have been adding photos of my children on social media for a long time and they and myself have never had these concerns.

Whilst my relationship with my partner is new, it's also fairly well established. I get on with his kid, he gets on with mine, and other than his ex trying to throw spanners into the works we're happy together and saw a future working.

Everybody is different when it comes to new partners and meeting the kids. This did roll fast initially, but there was nothing to suggest I'm dangerous and shouldn't be enjoying life with my partner and his daughter.

Also, would it be more accurate here for me to call him my boyfriend rather than my partner? Does it matter? He supports me. I support him. I'd say we were partners now.

I would never interfere with the fathers of my children and their new partners in this way. I believe I also deserve a smidge of respect in being spoken to in person about this rather than being bitched about behind my back. Cos that's setting a sterling example of how communication should be infront of their kid right.

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mindutopia · 24/10/2019 11:23

I didn't even read all of that. It is definitely too soon to have even met his dc.

You shouldn't be posting any photos of them on social media (regardless of who they are with or if they are flattering - that's bonkers, but besides the point). You shouldn't be friends with his ex on social media or engaging with her in any way (text, email, dm). He and his ex need to co-parent together without you involved.

This sounds way too intense for a relationship that is so new and it sounds really unhealthy.

GrumpyHoonMain · 24/10/2019 11:25

You have a BPD diagnosis, have been with your partner for 6-7 months, and are ignoring the rules boundaries both parents set for you regarding social media access. If this goes to court it’s very likely social services could get involved and things will get messy for everyone. For now just focus on your kids and your health, and don’t get involved with your partner’s child. Let your DP take the lead here.

AmIThough · 24/10/2019 11:26

'We're happy together' but you split up with him 6 weeks ago and he uses your mental health against you... also a great example to set for your children...

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:26

Thank you for this more well rounded opinion.

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Quartz2208 · 24/10/2019 11:29

There are many reasons re pictures and social media but the point is it’s parental choice you are happy posting pictures off
your children. She doesn’t want that for hers. That is something you have to respect

Lllot5 · 24/10/2019 11:29

Don’t post pics of her children on social media if she tells you not to, regardless if you think it’s not a problem they are not you children.
It’s not about his support of you or not. It’s about children being exposed to new boyfriends/ girlfriends too soon and thus effecting their lives.
Too much too soon.

GrumpyHoonMain · 24/10/2019 11:29

It doesn’t matter what you post on social media about your kids. You should not be ignoring the rules other parents set for their kids. You zare not your DP’s child’s parent and have no parenting rights whatsoever. And actually this isn’t just about pedophiles - fraudsters have started to use ‘whole life’ social media photos / videos to steel identities (up to and including iris photos and voices). Criminals also use social media posts to pinpoint your location so they can rob your house etc.

Witchofzog · 24/10/2019 11:31

I think the previous poster meant that you may not be in a good place mentally to read the replies on here. It was meant with kindness as replies to this sort of situation can often be harsh. They were not saying you should not be allowed to post on here.

You are entitled to your opinion about posting photos of your children on social media but she is also entitled to hers. It's not always about paedophiles. Perhaps there are people she doesn't want to be allowed to see photos from a safeguarding perspective. Perhaps she wants to be the first one to post pictures of her child in certain places or doing certain things. Perhaps she doesn't want you to be mistaken for the child's mother. Whatever the reason you need to respect it. Like I said earlier. Social media is NOT worth all this drama

purplepalace · 24/10/2019 11:33

There's no need to put pictures of other people's children on SM, she's asked you not to...so just don't. It Seems like you're trying to cause trouble .

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:33

Okay. I'm happy to admit fault with regards to social media. I shouldn't have posted any photos.

Can any of you honestly say that the ex wouldn't have found some issue if I hadn't? Is anyone actually reading the extremities she's taken to make sure I don't see the kid?

Also saying introducing kids to new partners 'so soon' is purely opinion at this point and again everyone is different and knows the welfare of their own child and how the child will handle new people. Just because you believe this doesn't mean everyone should?

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DCITennison · 24/10/2019 11:37

There’s a lot in your post that raises concerns, but I don’t want to contribute to what could turn into a bit of a pile-on.

I’ll just say this - the child’s mother asked for the rule re posting pics to social media be respected, you decided you knew better.

The mother now doesn’t trust you with regards to her boundaries for her child.

Can you not see that that’s a completely obvious (and understandable) outcome of your choices?

Raphael34 · 24/10/2019 11:38

Jesus Christ op. Just stop putting the bloody child on Facebook. It’s not hard!! Stop being so childish and self centred. You’re ruining your boyfriends family just because of social media!

DCITennison · 24/10/2019 11:39

But she doesn’t trust you now, can you not see that?

RockinHippy · 24/10/2019 11:39

Jeezus, I git a 1/3 of the way through that & already had you pinned as over involved & frankly a bit OTT to put it mildly & then I see you've been with him for 7 monthsShock. Why are you even meeting the kids, let alone trying to call the shots of what photos you can post Of THEIR kids, nOT yours, THEIRS. Butt the feck out, not your circus

Raphael34 · 24/10/2019 11:40

And no, the ex seemed completely fine with your situation until you stick your oar in over the two very simple guidelines she wanted you to follow. I don’t think there would have been an issue until you caused one. Why do you have to make such a big deal out of everything? Have you honestly caused all this because she didn’t want her child on social media because she was using them as an excuse to get out of an engagement? I do that all the time. You sound a bit unhinged