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His ex is still abusive and using their child as a weapon.

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Seribeth · 24/10/2019 10:48

I'll explain the back story as briefly as I can. Apologies in advance that this is a lengthy read - it's acting as a good vent too.

  • I met my partner in April this year. He is married but separated and has a young child. I have four children of my own.
  • The ex wife insisted on meeting with me sooner rather than later, no doubt to get a 'feel' for who I am and what I'm like. I entertained this without issue. I personally don't feel the need to meet the current partners of my children's fathers as I trust them entirely as far as the children are concerned, but everyone is different as a parent and I was happy to meet with her if it reassured from a maternal perspective. We more or less instantly became friends on social media as well, which again I didn't mind at all.
  • The ex had moved on before my partner and I met and is now with someone new herself.
  • Rules regarding their child were 1. I wasnt allowed to be left alone with them and 2. I wasnt allowed to post photos anywhere on social media unless they were also posed with my own children and the photo was 'flattering'.

At first sticking to these rules wasnt an issue. But as mine and my partner's relationship began to progress and we began to make happy memories, I wanted to be able to post the occasional picture I took of his child with his consent. Despite agreeing with the ex wife at the time of them being together that they wouldn't post pictures of their child on social media, my partner admitted he didn't feel as strongly about this as the ex did and didn't mind me posting photos so long as it wasnt often and I asked him if it was okay first.

To start with his ex didn't seem to mind and even commented positively to one or two of them. It wasnt until at least another couple of months down the line that my partner and I took his child out to the local park as it was a beautiful day weather wise. I wanted to take snaps of them together which he was fine with, but asked me not to upload them as the ex wanted to get out of going to a friends birthday party and was using him as the excuse to do so (as in he had to unexpectedly go to work that day so she had to look after their child).

I was instantly annoyed and asked why she couldn't just tell her friend that she didn't want to go. Why couldn't she say SHE was sick? I asked why she felt the need to use him, my partner, as her excuse to be a flaky friend rather than use her own partner? My partner agreed it was childish but he was going along with it, and it felt more so out of not wanting to deal with the aggro if he didn't than anything else.

This obviously didn't help how I felt and set some alarm bells in motion. When I made my discontent known, she responded with not being happy for me to post photos on social media anyway. This was all through my partner too, she never approached me herself. My partner began to handle things poorly, playing on my mental health diagnosis to her for the reason why I wasnt listening to her rule. He would tell me of her discontent but play it down, telling me he had it handled.

I didn't fully trust the situation. If he was already lying to her, using my ill health as an excuse, I questioned how he was attempting to handle the situation now. I decided to check his messages one day whilst he was at work. I wasnt worried about 'snooping', he had told me repeatedly he had little to hide and I was free to use his PC and so on.

As you can imagine, their conversation was 'fun' to read. She questioned by use of social media, stating my Instagram surely couldn't be private and safe as I had over 200+ followers and couldn't know that many people personally. Presumptuous bullshit to try and push her control over this whole situation (and yes, I do know that many people personally in real life! Being linked to an ex in the music industry will do that, along with moving away from many friends from my home town).

I removed her from my social media accounts. We barely interacted together on it anyway and it was from that point on that I got a profound sense of only being 'friends' on social media so she could stalk and make inaccurate presumptions about me. And obviously to check I was adhering to her orders of not posting any photographs.

She tried to friend me back, without a word, which I also declined. The last correspondence I read between my partner and her was that I was too extreme (for unfriending her presumably), she didn't want me near their child and trusted that he was making that happen. I finally exploded emotionally and messaged her to ask what the hell her problem was. She in turn pulled my partner into the chat before saying this wasnt about me, it had just been blown up to look like it was about me, and that my partner had been setting us off against the other.

I ranted at her and said she has belittled me and made me feel like a dangerous crazy person who can't be trusted, despite having done very little other than question her actions and opinions. Rather than explaining anything to me, she just shut me down and addressed my partner from that point on, so I left the conversation and blocked her across the board.

Approximately a week later we knew she had a solicitor appointment to start general divorce and custody proceedings. The day after that appointment she withheld my partner's access to their child, stating he wouldn't be seeing them again until they had mediation appointments. She didn't answer any of his questions or concerns about this interesting new arrangement and he was obviously devastated.

I had actually broken up with him on the same day, having had enough of the whole situation. I didn't have to stay in it and clearly I was going to have some competition in the form of his ex. He didn't talk to me all day. By bed time I asked him to message me just to say goodnight - say anything - so I wasnt so worried. He called me and told me the ex had stopped him from seeing their child and wasnt in a good place.

I apologised and said I didn't want the relationship to end, I just didn't know what else to do or how to simmer my emotions down from it (I have BPD but I'm in recovery. I'm a hell of a lot better now than I used to be but can still struggle bringing my emotions down sometimes).

So it's been about 6 weeks later. This all happened early September time. Over the last 6 weeks my partner and I have remained together. The ex had slowly withdrawn communication about the child altogether, refusing to send him photos or videos. They had solo mediation appointments and then finally a joint one. We hoped that he would be able to put his argument down with the mediator and start to get some say in all of this and I guess he's had a bit of a say, to an extent. He has also been allowed to see his child again - for a day or two - whereas before he was their primary carer. He had them for more time and spent more money on them in a week than his ex did. So this is quite a difficult transition for him at the moment.

I'm still not allowed around the child. My partner has apologised and knows it isn't ideal for us, before explaining he needs to build his ex's trust again. Apparently one of her main fears is that he will let me do whatever I want without question around their child (I think?) which amused me as that's exactly what she does. Demands and ascertains control over him emotionally to get what she wants. When it comes to their child I get the impression he isn't allowed a say over, well, anything.

She also had to be the one to tell HIS family of this drama as well before he could, making it known she wasnt happy with him and I. Of course his family were thoroughly confused and upset to start with. That has since churned into disbelief and anger that she's doing this.

I actually agree with her and believe this isn't about me at all but about her trying to retain control over their relationship - whatever form that takes - and their child. Shes just using me as a pawn whilst trying to make herself look like the innocent, hard done to party. She still hasn't explained any of her fears to me about the use of social media but for the most I suspect they're bullshit anyway. She once said "Bloody Facebook, amirite?" to my partner after moaning about me in relation to it, yet I know she sits on it far more than I do. I know she has stalked me on it too and probably still tries to.

It's like... she is actually guilty of these things but is trying to project them onto me? And it's very clear she doesn't trust my partner but mostly because he has an acute fear of confrontation and will just say anything to us to keep us happy. I can imagine after so many years of this she is fed up with it, but she also fully uses it to her advantage. He has to build her trust now in mediation apparently, yet he's had to receive counselling lately for severe anxiety and the fact she has emotionally toyed with him.

I doubt the question of being both emotionally immature and abusive wont be raised at mediation and I feel like she will just verbally walk all over him at these appointments, because it's all shes done so far, whilst tentatively feeding him scraps of information about their child and letting him see them for a minimum amount of time each week.

He has every legal entitlement to his child but wont disrupt their routine or take them from their mother because he has fucking intelligence and realises they're a person, not property to be wrestled and used as a bargaining tool. He's terrified of facing the ex and pushing for what he wants incase she withdraws access to their child again, including during the courts process which could take months to finalise.

My anger over this is on a low simmer for the most. Occasionally the heat will be turned up and I'll want to rant about how unfair everything is, but thus far I haven't really. I did send her an email at some point telling her that she wasnt allowed to legally do this and called her a controlling bitch. She responded by threatening to report me for harassment! Yet she knows exactly how to snoop on me and harass my partner for money and items that don't belong to her of course.

I get angry at my partner and how he's dealt with all of this too. I struggle to see our future and that really bothers me. I would like to get married at some point but I highly doubt he will after all of this (and I cant blame him really). I'm just scared and often feel I need to walk away now before things get any worse. I'm sure his ex can approve other partners in the future, hey?

OP posts:
Jellybeansincognito · 24/10/2019 11:40

‘Secondly, can someone explain what's so dangerous about posting pictures of your children on social media? All them paedophiles I suspect? The same paedophiles that buy and trade naked or compromised photos of a child on the dark web primarily? I have been adding photos of my children on social media for a long time and they and myself have never had these concerns.’

^ the fact that it’s not your child, privacy and parental preference always come above your wants. You can do what you want with your own children, but imagine if someone new in your children’s lives took away your right to decide that.

The mother told you, herself that she wasn’t happy about this. You went against her wishes because your partner chose to side with you (of course he would, people are notorious for doing this in new relationships).

But yet you’re annoyed she overstepped you, when it involved her own children and was a conversation with their father? No.

You are far too involved already, I agree with another poster. It’s sad and probably confusing for those children.

GrumpyHoonMain · 24/10/2019 11:41

She is within her rights to block your access provided she allows your DP to see the child. In this situation, rather than blocking access, I personally would have made it supervised and on my terms but I can understand why she’s doing this. She doesn’t trust your DP to ‘protect’ her kids from you; and she is justified in this because your DP has already blamed your MH issues for your behaviour. If anything you need to re-examine your relationship with your DP.

FuriousVexation · 24/10/2019 11:42

Do you have Bipolar Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder?

MrsSpenserGregson · 24/10/2019 11:42

I think the previous poster meant that you may not be in a good place mentally to read the replies on here. It was meant with kindness as replies to this sort of situation can often be harsh. They were not saying you should not be allowed to post on here.

Yes, that is exactly how I meant it. OP, with kindness, block this thread, it won't do you any good at all.

WhatsInAName19 · 24/10/2019 11:42

can someone explain what's so dangerous about posting pictures of your children on social media?

The safeguarding issues surrounding children and social media, including having their photos published online, are well documented and there is plenty of information available on the internet should you wish to learn more. Although it's completely irrelevant here because they are not your children and you should not be posting photos of your new boyfriend's children online to your contacts against their mother's wishes. She is absolutely within her rights to object to this. You are showing off HER children to hundreds of people that neither her nor her children's father actually know. She is being very sensible.

You met in April and all this happened 6 weeks ago, at which point you had known this man for a maximum of 5 months. This is not an established relationship and it's beyond inappropriate for you to be getting involved with their children to this degree. It's nothing to do with you how this mother chooses to protect her children, and her relationship with her children's father is their business alone. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to stay in a situation that makes you unhappy, but it's not for you to try and influence their family and the way they co-parent their kids.

RockinHippy · 24/10/2019 11:43

Just because you believe this doesn't mean everyone should?

Erm, you don't post for advice & then pick & choose what suits you best & discard the rest as it doesn't suit you. This is about what's best for the DCs, not you & to feel you are this involved in your partners DCs lives this early in is NOT what is good for any kids

Jellybeansincognito · 24/10/2019 11:43

You met in April and are already contemplating marriage in the future?

It all seems a bit heavy to me.

ImpossibleGirl86 · 24/10/2019 11:43

She's taken those 'lengths' because she now feels her child needs protecting after you repeatedly ignored the boundaries she tried to set.
None of us can say whether or not there would have been another issue if it wasn't social media.
They are the child's parents and they make the rules. You follow them, regardless of whether you agree or not. Unless of course they are damaging in some way.

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:45

I didn't decide I knew better at all. Wow, this place is a bit of a grotto for bullying isn't it? I welcome constructive opinions and advice here, not belittled and made to feel in the wrong when at the time I thought everything was fine. The ex even commented to photos positively. As soon as she didn't get what she wanted, it became an issue again. She hasn't been consistent with this 'rule'.

Keeping the child away from their father for weeks because of this is just crazy. Not messaging me directly to talk about this respectfully if she had a problem is crazy.

OP posts:
Jellybeansincognito · 24/10/2019 11:46

No it’s not op, you’ve barely been in the children’s lives and she’s concerned- we’ll within her rights and is doing the responsible thing and talking to the children’s father, your partner.

Transpeaked · 24/10/2019 11:49

In the kindest possible way - you are very ‘intense’ OP and you are in the wrong, here.

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:50

Jesus christ. I wasnt saying I wanted to marry him and NOW. I would like marriage in the future. Fairly sure I'm allowed that as a milestone for my future, no? Like anyone saying they want to have a baby or buy a house. You find out how compatible you are with the people you date. That's all I meant by that.

I actually do get to pick and choose the advice given to me here as sincere based on people not knowing anything about this situation personally. You know what I have told you. So far the general consensus is I shouldn't have posted pictures of the child on SM. Okay, that's fine. I can accept that. I do not have to accept opinions based on the validity of my relationship based on how long we've been together and so on. I can respect that OPINION, but I don't have to accept it do I.

OP posts:
HappyAtWork · 24/10/2019 11:50

You have 4 children of your own. Don’t you have enough children to post photos of?

I don’t post many photos of my own dc as I don’t know what the future holds with regards to social media and privacy and I’d prefer a lighter digital footprint of their early years. When they are adults they can ‘image craft‘ and create their own digital footprint. But I have a small group of people I share things with and limit photos because of this, maybe she has the same concerns.

And I agree with the other posters I would be very concerned with how quickly your relationship has progressed if I was your boyfriends ex. Too much too soon and too many boundaries crossed.

Lllot5 · 24/10/2019 11:51

I tell you what if you were dating my ex you wouldn’t be any where near my kids.
Too soon. You might have a falling out with your boyfriend next week and they would never see you again. It needs to be a much longer relationship before you’re introduced. It’s not about you.
At least a year if not longer. How old are they.

Quartz2208 · 24/10/2019 11:54

OP I have reread it was fine until she requested you didn’t post pictures on a particular day and you decided to show your discontent
Regardless of whether she was right HE agreed and you then overstepped causing all of this

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 11:57

Re: removing this thread.

Yeah I'm starting to see that now. Sorry to have troubled any of you with this I guess.

OP posts:
Verily1 · 24/10/2019 11:58

Maybe you should be paying more attention to who your own children are spending time with rather than this other child you have no legal or biological connection to and have only known for 5 mins.

Lllot5 · 24/10/2019 11:58

You’re only sorry because we don’t all agree with you.

Jellybeansincognito · 24/10/2019 12:01

I want to get married in the future but doubt he will after all this

^ your words.
You’ve barely been together for 6 months. Have been spending time with his children and uploading photos of them to social media/ moaning about how his ex talks to your partner and not you.

It’s too much op. I don’t think your health issues are really relevant to this (in a good way) because many people unreasonably behave in this way.
It’s not putting the child first at all.

Seribeth · 24/10/2019 12:01

Yes I'm sorry that you don't agree with me. As to whether I'm sorry for the situation and what has happened, that's down to me to think about and take stock of isn't it.

I've already accepted that posting the photos was unacceptable in hind sight. Apparently accepting faults and telling folks of this also requires the torch and pitchfork response rolls eyes

OP posts:
Jellybeansincognito · 24/10/2019 12:03

The victim in this is your partners child/ren. Not you.

RockinHippy · 24/10/2019 12:04

DCs Meeting new partners too soon is about the DCs, NOT you. Why are you finding that so hard to understand Confused.

You say your in recovery, but I'm sorry, there's several points screaming out from your posts that would make me run a mile from leaving you in the care of any DC of mine too. Your paranoia when a poster kindly pointed out that you might be a bit fragile to hear the replies that were going to come your way, so might want to remove that post. At no point did I, or I suspect anyone else presumed that you shouldn't be allowed to post with a MH disorder. That tells me that your comprehension of situations is skewed & paranoid, putting aside the basic thought for firm foundations for growing little people, not risking a constant stream of new partners by introducing too soo, how do we know that paranoia isn't the case with the rest of your complaint.

I agree with the others, you need to work on yourself & develop better boundaries & understanding that your partners kids are not yours to do with as you please. You could well be transient in their lives, after 7 months & this much hassle, I'd lay bets on it. That is not good fir those kids, anymore than you undermining their DMs wishes

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 24/10/2019 12:05

I have BPD, just for context.

Can I politely suggest that you are not in recovery at all? You have assigned all evil motives to the ex wife, this is splitting/black and white thinking. You are not in control of your emotions and you are catastrophising and are showing a lack of boundaries. None of this shows recovery.

What therapy have you had?

Quartz2208 · 24/10/2019 12:05

I think you need to see that actually his ex reaction is normal and she tried to sort it

ButiLoveHim32 · 24/10/2019 12:10

I wanted to be able to post the occasional picture I took of his child

I wanted to take snaps of them together which he was fine with, but asked me not to upload them

I was instantly annoyed and asked why she couldn't just tell her friend that she didn't want to go

When I made my discontent known, she responded
Do you see a theme here OP? It's all about you! I honestly don't think that you appear very rational in your thoughts or actions. You seem to be getting so wound up by not alot at all. I doubt no matter what is said you you, that you would be able to truly see it from a different perspective.you had no reason whatsoever to make your discontent known. None at all!! It literally had nothing to do with you and no effect on your life. Can you not see that? This all sounds so teenage. It honestly doesn't read like how I would be expecting an adult mother of 4 to behave. And he sounds just as bad too. I think you need to step away from all of them and just focus on your own children.

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