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Single Dad. How do I approach the subject of reducing child maintenance with my ex?

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malgrat78 · 21/10/2019 10:35

Hello, Father of a 12 year old Son here.

I separated from my Sons mum in 2012 & we have always tried to keep things amicable. At the beginning I lived in a 1 bed flat & my son stayed over on a Saturday night. When he was due to start High School I picked one that was a little more distance from his mum's house but it is a good school. I then decided to move to a bigger home close to his new school so that he could make his way to mine after school & wait for me to finish work. Over the last few years he started to find it difficult living at his mum's. There always seemed to be friction. I have never been totally happy with his mum's parenting skills which is one of the reasons that we separated. I suspected that she was taking amphetamines on the weekend & there were times where she allowed our son to have time off of school because she was feeling rough after her weekend binges. Due to my son starting high school & his unhappiness at his mums I suggested that he should stay with me 3 nights per week to which she agreed.

Over the last year things have got worse at his mums. Around 6 months ago she started seeing a guy who I later found out was on a methadone treatment plan. She basically moved him in within a matter of weeks. My son was immediately distressed especially as his mum tried to force my son to be affectionate to this guy. I have had reports from a neighbour that drug dealers are visiting the house. His mum is heavily in debt & she asks to borrow money from me regularly. Due to the concerns that I had I phoned Social Services who confirmed that the boyfriend was a know drug user but because there appeared not to be any immediate danger to my son they said they couldn't do anything. However, they did phone his mum who said everything was fine but she did lie about how many nights he stayed at my house. When I found out about that he was on a methadone treatment plan I advised his mum that I only wanted my son to stay over 1 night per week. I also spoke to my son prior to this & he said he wanted to be at mine 6 nights per week as he feels very uncomfortable around his mum's boyfriend.

When we changed from my son staying 3 nights to 5 nights I agreed that I would pay maintenance according to the .gov website calculator which calculates on him staying 3 nights per week or more. It doesn't give 5 nights. So, I basically reduced payments to what I thought was correct. She didn't like this & said that she wouldn't be able to manage to live which I found odd. The family based arrangement for child maintenance was agreed when we first separated & it was agreed that I would pay all her utility bills & give her any spare money left over totalling the amount calculated from the .gov website. So, what I did a couple of months ago was to stop giving her extra cash but still paid the gas, electricity, water, broadband & TV license.

I have started to struggle a little financially as I now have my son more & I still pay for things like clothes, his hair cutting, mobile phone, trips etc. She has stopped giving him pocket money recently & when I bought him his new school uniform which cost £200 she could only offer to pay me £20 a month towards it. This is all really annoying as she is on benefits & has her rent & council tax paid plus she now has this guy living with her who I don't think she has declared so I see no reason why she should be struggling for money unless she is in heavy debt which I believe she is or maybe the money is going on other things that it shouldn't be. But, at the end of the day my son is suffering. She also still receives child allowance from the government. When my son stays there he says that they are always mentioning that he should go back to living with his mum 3 nights per week but he doesn't want to. The boyfriend tries to make him feel guilty by telling him how upset his mum is that he wants to live with me more. They tell him that I am trying to buy his love because I spoil him which I don't. I enjoy taking him places & I will reward him when he has been good. I truly believe his mum & boyfriend have an invested interest in money & that is why they are always nattering him.

What made me post this question is that I have just stumbled across the Child Maintenance Service leaflet that says if both parents have shared care 50/50 then neither parents need pay maintenance. Prior to this I had agree with his mum that I would pay the bills totalling £160 a month. Now he is staying at mine definitely 5 nights & this could be 6 then I now think that I need not pay anything? If this is the case I have no idea how to break this to his mum as if I stop paying the bills she might not be able to have gas or electricity. I know this really isn't my problem & my main concern is to make sure my son is provided for which currently I do not believe he is from his mother. My current logic is that reducing the child maintenance that I currently give his mum can then go directly on my son for clothes & essential items. But, I am finding it difficult to not feel guilty if I do reduce the maintenance but again I currently have him stay over 5 to 6 nights so I cannot really see that she is entitled to much. Last week I had him 7 nights as he didn't want to sleep at his mums as he felt uncomfortable.

Any suggestions how I can tackle this & is it correct that should not be paying anything?

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malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 09:30

@Beautiful3

If I were you I would have him for all 7 nights and stop all maintenance money. Also get gus child benefit paid to yourself to help with clothing and feeding costs. I would much rather give him a safe home. You dont want these horrible next few years, at his mums to affect him emotionally and mentally.

I am seriously considering only letting him stay there for a few hours through the day.

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malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 09:33

@NettleTea

You can cancel the contracts on the utilities - it would be the same as if you were moving out. They will do a closing bill and then it will be up to her to take it over. You would be advised to ensure there is no link between the two of you - you can give the utility companies a forwarding address for closing statements, they will want to go out and get meter readings, and may do so if you cannot get in there yourself to provide them for you (dont do this by the way!)

Thank you for this that's a great help. Yes now you have mentioned it. It is probably best for me to just cancel everything & take the early exit fee hit rather than keep myself involved at risk for potential credit implications if she doesn't pay etc.

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NettleTea · 24/10/2019 11:39

This all souinds positive, and as if you are getting to grips with the issues

As you have no court order and its just an 'arrangement' between the two of you, you are legally allowed to have him stay with you - she will need to apply to the courts in order to get him back there. Sounds as if she wont bother.

Try to keep all correspondance through emails or text - dont speak to her because you need everything in writing or her ranting via answerphone - it would be very helpful for your case that she is only bothered because of the money.

I assume you are on the birth certificate? If for any reason you are not, get this addressed asap, and order a copy of it if you dont have one

yellowallpaper · 24/10/2019 11:41

I would look to have full custody of your son. Leaving him in this environment is dangerous for his long term mental well-being.

malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 12:12

@NettleTea

This all souinds positive, and as if you are getting to grips with the issues

Yes I am slowly coming to understand the situation & what I can & cant do.

As you have no court order and its just an 'arrangement' between the two of you, you are legally allowed to have him stay with you - she will need to apply to the courts in order to get him back there. Sounds as if she wont bother.

She has texted me today saying that she wants my son to be happy & she wants to see him more. I tried to keep things direct & responded by saying that our son is happy how things are, he is in a routine & the current situation is best for him. I also mentioned that I am currently taking advice regarding maintenance & things will shortly be changing. Basically, I am no way letting him stay there more so if she ants this I will again mention that we can go for mediation or she can seek legal advice. I would prefer to go down the mediation root as I would then have some kind of formal arrangement & I could then move this to court but I do think that there is little chance of this as she really doesn't want anyone else involved.

Try to keep all correspondance through emails or text - dont speak to her because you need everything in writing or her ranting via answerphone - it would be very helpful for your case that she is only bothered because of the money.

Good advice thanks. So far I have been keeping a log of the things my Son has told me & I am keeping all texts. I

I assume you are on the birth certificate? If for any reason you are not, get this addressed asap, and order a copy of it if you dont have one

Yes I am so by law I have parental responsibility.

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NettleTea · 24/10/2019 12:20

all of that is good

MzHz · 24/10/2019 13:31

It is! I agree with @NettleTea - as I usually do Smile

@malgrat78 Nettle and I have similar backgrounds and we both found ourselves in a very large mess and in a horrible place (figuratively and literally 😊) and have dug ourselves out. You’re absolutely nailing this recovery and your son is in a safer place because of you. You just have to follow through and get her in a position where she has no hold over either you or your son.

You do need to have an open conversation with your boy to give him the information and the tools to understand the game being played and how to not fall prey to any of her tricks

Until she is able to provide him with a safe drug and manipulation free space, he stays with you

malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 14:01

@MzHz

@malgrat78 Nettle and I have similar backgrounds and we both found ourselves in a very large mess and in a horrible place (figuratively and literally 😊) and have dug ourselves out

I am glad to hear :)

You’re absolutely nailing this recovery and your son is in a safer place because of you. You just have to follow through and get her in a position where she has no hold over either you or your son.

I feel like I am slowly getting somewhere but I am still finding it difficult & it's giving me a lot of anxiety which I am managing to deal with. So far she is agreeing to everything but I fear this might change. However, I shall just go for mediation then.

You do need to have an open conversation with your boy to give him the information and the tools to understand the game being played and how to not fall prey to any of her tricks

Yes I do this on a regular basis. The normal conversation goes. "Son I need you to be 100% honest with me even if you think I may not like the answer. You know that I want the best for you & I believe the current situation at your mums house isn't the best for you. But, I need to know how you feel about this current arrangement? Are you happy with how things are? Please remember I am here to support you & keep you safe. If you don't want to stay at your mum's you don't have to. You just need to say"

So far he says that he is happy how it is & he has said on a couple of occasions that he doesn't like been there over night. I spoke to him yesterday & I honestly think that he has had enough of his mothers lies & manipulation. He is very bright & self aware & recognises when he is been made to feel guilty or manipulated. However, I am allowing him to be there for a few hours next week on maybe 3 days as it is the school holidays & I fear that she will use this time trying to bribe him or make him feel guilty. I think that this would just push him further away though. I haven't mentioned to her that I will be stopping all payments yet due to this cause it could influence her & what she says to him. So, as I said earlier I just said to her that I am taking advice. I have in the meantime emailed CMS to see if I can get something back in writing confirming my thoughts.

Until she is able to provide him with a safe drug and manipulation free space, he stays with you

I like how you summed this up! I think I shall use this as the basis of my decision & reason why I do not want him to be there.

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MzHz · 24/10/2019 14:22

Awesome - that’s all incredibly positive

You will really help your son - you’re doing a great job.

malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 15:20

@Marie84

Ring the child maintenance service and they can advice you on how to handle this. They were brilliant with me and helped a lot. They will advice on what to do and will also help. My ex hadn't paid any child maintenance for 12 months and wouldn't communicate with me at all and they sorted it all for me. I don't think you should be paying her bills as presumably you have your own bills to pay? That's what her benefits are for surely.

I managed to send CMS an email & within an hour I have had a long reply basically confirming that my ex partner should be paying me child maintenance & that I should also consider claiming child benefit. They have been an amazing help as you did say they would be so thanks :)

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malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 15:31

@MzHz

Awesome - that’s all incredibly positive

Thank you :)

You will really help your son - you’re doing a great job.

It's what he deserves & what any good parent would do.

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YorkshireMummyof1 · 24/10/2019 15:47

I'm happy you're taking such excellent steps!

malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 15:51

@YorkshireMummyof1

Thank you :)

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Embracelife · 24/10/2019 18:42

Dont let him stay overnight. The risks from unsafe environments are the same wtger one or 6 nights. Let him see mum in public place during day unless he really wants to visit her house.
Tell school what is happening.

They can support your DS too and he can talk in confidence to a teacher or counsellor.
Stop paying to ex she is not your responsibility..your son is yes.

Embracelife · 24/10/2019 18:43

You may only get £5 per week in cms if she on benefits but so long as you are providing fir your ds and giving him stable home

malgrat78 · 24/10/2019 23:07

@Embracelife

To be honest I'm not too bothered about receiving anything from her. My main concern is that the money I am paying at the moment is not going on my son what so ever so once I have control of that money I can start to use it directly on my son. I already buy him his trainers and other things so the extra money will allow me to treat him a little to pieces of new clothing each month and I won't have to keep such a close eye on our food bill each week.

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sue51 · 25/10/2019 02:54

I've nothing further to add but I wanted to express my admiration for the positive way you're coping. It makes a great change to hear from a good father rather than the more usual tale of the cms dodging ex.

malgrat78 · 25/10/2019 09:35

@sue51

I've nothing further to add but I wanted to express my admiration for the positive way you're coping. It makes a great change to hear from a good father rather than the more usual tale of the cms dodging ex.

Thank you. Yeah I guess it's more common to hear of Father's dodging paying for their child. Personally I cannot comprehend this. If you help produce a Child it is your equal responsibility to provide for that Child financially & with a loving safe environment END OF.

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Marie84 · 07/11/2019 19:46

@malgrat78 if only there were more fathers like you!

Fightingmycorner2019 · 07/11/2019 21:45

I think she also deserves no money given the situation
I would also formalise being the RP but ensure he has access to see her
Sounds to be like she is a bit financially abusive and has got you ina
Mindset that you
Owe her support
Get some legal advice and just stop
Easier said than done I know
I am really pleased your boy has you

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