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Insane jealousy

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outherealone · 09/10/2019 08:59

I have issues around jealousy and I know it comes from my traumatic childhood. I try very hard not to show it in my relationship but every now and then something crops up and it preoccupies me and I don’t know how to address it if at all. I’m having therapy and the focus is on healing my past and trying to build up my self esteem .
I’m not sure if I should even be in a relationship because if this and I’m not sure what is worth getting in a state over and what’s just my overactive imagination.
I know that my bf is still in contact with all his exes and flings. When he’s on his phone I try not to look but I can’t help myself and I don’t like doing it but it’s like a compulsion. when he’s scrolling through messages I see various women’s names crop up in his recent messages. Often it’s a particular ex (just good friends) but other exes too as well as other women friends. Every time I look there are some of these women in the list.
He doesn’t show me I just do very indiscreet panic straining my eyes and neck whilst trying to appear nonchalant Hmm
Obviously I can’t see the content of the messages but it always makes me feel weird. This weekend we went away and had an awesome time and we got back and he was was messaging a friend and then clicked back to the main message page and I saw the name of the girl before me (ten years younger and very attractive) before we’d got together he’d said how gorgeous and funny and clever she is and how she’d ticked all his boxes but she’d kept blowing hot and cold so they ended it.
The message was clearly very recent. I had no idea they were still in contact.
I have done some paranoid checking of her social media and she posts very sexy videos and photos of herself, has an amazing figure, always showing off her body and is very ‘hot’ , clever and funny, just like he said.
she gets a lot of ‘likes’ and attention and sometimes my bf has ‘liked’ her stuff.
My imagination is going into overdrive about what their messages might entail and I don’t feel I can ask him without it sounding like me being controlling.
I have asked about exes in the past when he’s not been forthcoming about their presence at events where he is and I don’t want to become an interrogator.
Later on he was flicking through his social media and I saw posts from her personal and business pages pop up. I asked him who she is as she often crops up as people I might know and he said he’d been seeing her briefly before me and then changed the subject immediately. It felt a bit awkward but I’m not sure if the awkwardness was because he didn’t like me questioning him rather than anything suspect...
We get on well and he’s lovely in lots of ways. We don’t live near each other but plan to later on. I have been undergoing some physical problems lately with my disability and have put on weight and unable to exercise. Recently I have noticed him checking out other women, which in itself is not a problem but he’s being much less discreet than usual , literally turning his head to look and look back as he’s walking rather than a quick glance (like the oft-used meme of the guy looking behind at another woman while his partner is next to him looking pissed off if you know the one I mean!)
I am probably waffling and sounding a bit mad but it’s really playing on my mind. I don’t like feeling this way at all, it’s tiring and time consuming and I’m too old for it!
I don’t want to end the relationship because of my anxiety and paranoia but at the same time it’s clearly doing me no good being like this.
I’m scared I’m going to be like this forever and unable to sustain any normal relationship. Through therapy it transpires that I’m exactly mirroring my mums jealous and paranoid behaviour and I’ve seen the pathological jealousy in my sister too, it’s very destructive and soul destroying being in this constant state of panic.

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 09/10/2019 10:21

before we’d got together he’d said how gorgeous and funny and clever she is and how she’d ticked all his boxes but she’d kept blowing hot and cold so they ended it

If a man I was involved with said this to me I'd be off like a shot. No way I'd settle for being second choice.

This man is no good for your mental health.

TheBatsHaveLeftTheBellTower · 09/10/2019 10:27

As others have said, dump.

You can't control another person's behaviour but neither do you have to accept it. If this is unacceptable to you (and it would be to me) walk away.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/10/2019 10:42

by just becoming a flirt and cheat myself to build my self esteem
Unfortunately this has the opposite effect so make sure you listen to yourself on that point!

outherealone · 09/10/2019 10:55

Ah thank you guys I’m so embarrassed and just feel such a dick. I hate the thought of someone playing me especially when they seem so nice. And I blame myself although I know it’s not me but for being physically and mentally ill and putting on weight and needing mental health support etc , I feel like I’m meant to just be the fun girlfriend and not make any demands

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outherealone · 09/10/2019 10:57

Is it even worth saying anything or not bothering? He knew something was up the other night and asked me but I didn’t bother saying anything because I didn’t want to get upset and I didn’t want to be gaslighted or start an argument and I didn’t want to sound like I’m mad so I just pretended I was tired but really I was in full panic mode!

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outherealone · 09/10/2019 10:59

@Whatsnewpussyhat to be fair we were both dating other people when we met so had both shared this kind of information regarding our dating shenanigans. We met online and had never planned to meet in real life because of the geographical distance!

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RLEOM · 09/10/2019 11:17

Your past isn't making you feel this way, his behaviour is. My ex literally drove me insane with this kind of behaviour. He was also a porn addict and had serious issues when it came to other women - stalking exes online, stalking women online who he had seen in a local paper, saving pictures of his female friends in bikinis on Facebook for his wank bank. He was a great man, lovely partner, but this behaviour was wrong and soul destroying, and deep down I knew it.

I left.

outherealone · 09/10/2019 11:30

@RLEOM that’s sad. I had similar with my ex husband but again, I was never sure if I drove him to it!
I keep seeming to pick sex addict types unless they really are all like that and I’m just hyper vigilant!
It makes me really sad. We have amazing sex and we have lovely times all the time but lately I’ve definitely sensed more distance although he’s saying all the right things it feels disconnected a bit although I thought it could be my mental health causing that feeling!

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CrystalShark · 09/10/2019 11:51

Wow. Can’t believe you’re seeing yourself as the problem here, when the problem is that your commitmentphobe boyfriend has just tried to add you to his harem of women rather than actually being available for a relationship. Run!

outherealone · 09/10/2019 11:59

Ha! I really do see myself as the problem, even in dating this I feel two faced and disloyal!
When I have been upset in the past (omitting information regarding presences of exes/ proliferation of younger women on his trips away) he’s always been very much ‘they’re my friends, nothing more, I’ve massively cut down contact out of respect for our relationship’ etc etc and how much he loves me and wants to be with me and plans for future etc , I’m just scared I’m being too judgemental and throwing away something that could be good once I’ve got over my issues. He has said he was gaslighted too many times in his previous emotionally abusive relationships and is very defensive of his freedoms and space and privacy. He locks down and since I first brought this stuff up ( early days) he’s definitely sharing less with me than he was befso I feel I’ve brought it on myself by showing my jealousy early on!

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CrystalShark · 09/10/2019 12:02

Definitely listen to your gut and stop trying to force yourself to be okay with something when you’re not :) this relationship isn’t making you happy, and you’ve given it time. I’d walk away.

I have male friends and DH has female friends and I can honestly say not once have I felt jealous or threatened by any of his women mates, he’s always been keen to introduce us and we’ve got on great and I can see from my gut feeling they are just friends and support the relationship, I wouldn’t blink at him going out for dinner with them or to an event or on a trip to something I wasn’t interested in. Your gut instinct is important.

CrystalShark · 09/10/2019 12:05

I often find with men like this that it’s just not possible to have that number of genuine, close friends: often they call any female they’re even tangentially in touch with a ‘friend’ in a way they wouldn’t with guys. And when you dig a little below the surface almost all of them are people the man would either like to bang or date, or has banged or dated. Very rare for many of them to be actual platonic friends. And their female friendship circle is rarely made up of women who aren’t young and attractive, there’s no six or seven close female friends who are twenty years older with a family, it’s so transparent.

Cherrypicker01 · 09/10/2019 12:09

Two issues here...

  1. The main one being him. OP there is No excuse to be messaging exes I’m not surprised you feel jealous and paranoid. Compulsively messaging girls is not cool. He clearly has no respect for you at all. It the sort of partner I’d ever want in my life, and certainly not in a serious relationship. You stay with this behaviour you will feel that horrible jealousy for life.
  1. Your self esteem. I’ve been there before with those feelings you have described, but it was only when I took time out to be single and learned to love myself did those feelings start to diminish. Are you ready for a relationship?
Robin2323 · 09/10/2019 12:44

It's a No from me.
Why would you stay in touch with multiple ex's?

I'm in touch with with um, none.

Have a talk but make it clear this is a deal breaker.

It may change but you deserve better.

outherealone · 09/10/2019 13:19

@Cherrypicker01 I thought I was ready. We had lots of frank talks about things and I thought we were on similar page. This stuff seems to have either escalated or I’m noticing more because I’m more hyper alert because of my illnesses. I’m still not sure if I’d be so bothered if my health was better and if I had y suddenly aged and become fatter and more disabled in the time we’ve known each other. I’m under considerable pressure and I would love to be in a relationship but not to the detriment of my health!
Haha @CrystalShark very funny re the important female friends never being middle aged married mums Grin if only! I am sure part of my issue is because I’m hurtling towards fifty myself and being ill, my body has really worked against me so whereas I used to be very fit, groomed and youthful I’m now semi mobile with the weight of the world on my shoulders and my face!
Funny enough the only women friends of his I have met are none of the threat friends, and tbh, now I think about it I haven’t really met any other than girlfriends of his men friends . I’m not that bothered about being introduced to every woman he’s ever shagged tho or who he wants to shag. I’ve met two of his long term exes and that was fine.

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LFLM1 · 09/10/2019 13:38

What @user1481840227 said. I would not feel comfortable if my husband was in contact at with his ex's/flings etc....and ogling other women in front of you is not showing you respect. I suspect you're paranoid and jealous because this type of behaviour would make most people feel insecure.

LemonPrism · 09/10/2019 14:01

I have 0 jealousy issues. DP is friends with mostly girls including one who he slept with as teens. All fine.

But this sounds weird. One ex I could understand them being friends... but multiple and his FLINGS?!? It's not normal and it's disrespectful

outherealone · 09/10/2019 14:13

What would people do? Would you bother trying to address it? I know he’s fiercely protective of his ‘freedom’ after having been in some horrible relationships, and I don’t know if it’s worth me saying how I feel or if I should just let it go. He knows I’m insecure as I have mentioned stuff when it’s come up before (upthread) and I don’t know if it’s worth doing anything about it if he’s just going to lie or minimise ... it’s horr feeling this way, I’m no spring chook!

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Robin2323 · 09/10/2019 17:23

Of course he's fiercely protective of his freedom.

That's him.

And probably the reason he has so many ex's

No decent woman would put up with it.

I think I'd just let him go.

'I respect your choices but it's not for me'

I have all the freedom in the the world in my marriage BUT
I am not in contact with ex's.

I have women friends.
4 great adult children and partners.

A million people I see within my job.

Sounds like ego boost to me.

I mean none of them are Trolls.

I'd focus on yourself

AnneKipanki · 09/10/2019 17:44

Do you live together?

user1479305498 · 09/10/2019 18:07

You dont have a jealousy/trust issue, you have a partner with no boundaries as to what’s ok in a relationship with you (or most women to be honest) . Clearly sees himself as some kind of a stallion who gets a buzz from attractive women staying in touch. You need to be very secure or a bit of a player to cope with that and you don’t sound like that kind of person

outherealone · 09/10/2019 18:09

@Robin2323 thank you for your message. I’m presuming you’re a guy? Thank you for sharing your perspective on it. I think it’s making me depressed. Most times I need him he is available to me but when I needed him most during a personal crisis he was away with some of his ‘non trolls’ (men too to be fair) and although I’m sure he’d have come back had I explicitly asked him, he left the decision up to me and I didn’t want to be in the position of taking his toys away, I needed him to make the decision himself and he didn’t, apparently I wasn’t explicit enough ! In that scenario he also omitted to tell me an ex was traveling with his group until he accidentally let it slip. I was quite gutted, he’d said she wasn’t sure until a couple of days before, well he was with me those couple of days before and never thought it worth a mention!

@AnneKipanki, no we don’t, we are in a longish distance relationship.

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outherealone · 09/10/2019 18:14

@user1479305498 yes probably you’re right. I get the impression that he was settled very young and it’s only since his recent marriage ended that he has changed his appearance and social life and is attracting a lot more women than he ever has before. Maybe he is getting a bit of an ego boost from it...
He always talks about us settling down etc and that has kind of been our long term aim when both our kids are a bit older, the plan is for him to move to our town as it is easy for him to uproot and do his job anywhere than it is for me with younger kids and less earning power etc. We’re talking a few years though.

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SevenStones · 09/10/2019 18:29

Hi OP - I have mental health issues and it's difficult knowing when to trust your gut (and know that it's right!) and when to know that it's a MH "thing" that's going on.

In many cases people can be friends with exes, so you're correct on that. In this particular case, your boyfriend is using his past relationships to belittle you and take digs at your self esteem and confidence.

Just let it (and him) go, OP.

outherealone · 09/10/2019 19:22

@SevenStones thank you for understanding. It’s taking up an unnecessary amount of brain space and energy and making me feel really unconfident considering the age difference and looks disparity between me and these women. He has never ever put me down or said anything negative about my looks or shape and always me how beautiful I am.
He told me about ‘the hot girl’ before we were together and I know about all the other ones mainly from looking through his posts and friends lists and putting two and two together.
If I weren’t so nosy and paranoid I wouldn’t have all this information and would be existing in blissful ignorance.
This is partly why I wanted this therapy as I thought if I could get fixed that I would be better placed to handle this relationship and to enable me to be more assertive and able to ask for what I need and expect in a relationship.

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