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Did he know he had genital herpes

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Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 21:21

Hi
Opinions please...
I understand this is a hard one

I have been with my partner about 12 months. I've known him a couple of years. We were friends. Spoke on the phone regularly - therefore I knew his dating history and he knew mine. We got together after I had my baby to my ex who is no longer on the scene. We slept together after about 3 months of me giving birth. We both had a full screen sti test before sex. Little did I know that herpes and genital warts are not included on a test. Therefore we both had a clear test. We had unprotected sex for a couple of weeks and one day my partner came in to the bedroom with some sore skin on his penis and said 'you've given me thrush'. I said to him that's not thrush and thrush can't be passed on through sex can it? He responded it can. It crossed my mind 'isn't herpes a genital skin condition' then I brushed it off thinking well we've both had a test, so I apologised and said that I'd go to the doctors and get some canestan. We had sex that night. Anyway after the weekend had been and gone, about six days later I started with severe burning when weeding, I couldn't walk, I felt like I had a 'cut' down there. I didn't link the two together. I brought my doctors appointment for thrush forward as an emergency. The doctor swabbed my genitals and did a blood test. The doctor said they didn't think it was thrush but more genital herpes. I was very calm and said 'it can't be I've been tested' the doctor confirmed that a herpes screening is not an nhs standard test as false negatives occur frequently. They explained that if a sore is not swabbed at the right time it can come back negative and a blood test will only show a positive result after herpes has been in your system and antibodies have developed. Anyway the results came back. POSITIVE FOR HERPES on the swab. Negative on the bloods. I had no antibodies. Which meant this was a confirmed FIRST OUTBREAK. I had all the flu like symptoms too which also means it was a first ever outbreak. Herpes can lay dormant in your system but the doctor confirmed it usually is always your most recent partner and symptoms appear after 2-20 days from exposure. This made sense. My partner had dry skin down there, 6 days later I'm at the doctors sore on my genitals. ANYWAY it crossed my mind WHY would he come in to the bedroom and say 'you have given me thrush' ??? Instantly blaming me. It made me think, did he know? Why would he be so ignorant. It's like he knew what it was, was playing it down to thrush and making sure it was my fault.

I told my partner. He didn't ask questions. Didn't look shocked. Nothing. Just said 'we'll, im spending my life with you so it's not an issue'. I said 'don't you want to get checked out in case you don't have it so we can make sure we practice safe sex' 'don't you want to know if you have it just to know' 'don't you want to go get medication yourself' 'aren't you bothered how this will affect our sex life' etc etc. He never did or doesn't have any intention to visit a doctor. He said he is embarrassed. I said how can you be embarrassed when you're in front of me telling me it's not an issue and to forget about it? I couldn't understand how calm he was.

Anyway he keeps telling me he has never had any symptoms before. BUT when he said he felt he had 'thrush' in the bedroom he also mentioned that he's had thrush before so knew it was that...
since I was diagnosed he said he's had tingles down there now but has never experienced it before until he was with me and says I GAVE HIM IT? but I was confirmed as a first outbreak for me and to my knowledge, he hasn't been tested. He NEVER went to see a doctor to find out if he had it and whether he had antibodies. It's constantly playing on my mind. I feel he is ignoring the doctor for the reason. Either:

  • he knows and doesn't want the diagnosis confirmed because he knows he has passed it on before and doesn't want it on paper so he can't be blamed for knowingly passing it on
  • he doesn't want to go to the doctor because it is confirmed and he doesn't want me to find out that he knew

My mind is going crazy. We went over previous partners and he said I was more promiscuous than him... but it's not down to promiscuity. And for the record, I wasn't. He is just horrible to me. Calls me a slag. Makes people up that I've slept with. Calls me a beg. Etc. I have been careful to use protection with previous partners or have STI tests prior to intercourse. Obviously I've learnt now that doesn't make a difference anyway.
He said my most recent partner would be most likely to have herpes. He said his most recent partner was 'up on her sti testing'. I was absolutely fuming and responded I WAS UP ON MY STI TESTING. It makes no odds. Anyway he strangely said that he felt if it wa going to be anyone it would be a previous partner from 18 months ago... I found this odd.. I said how can you make that assumption unless you knew it was her? WHY HER?

Anyway he's made it very clear that he's never had symptoms until the day he thought he had 'thrush' he's too embarrassed to go to a doctor, I was more promiscuous and it must have been dormant in my system. Etc etc.

It's a very bad relationship for a lot of reasons and he tells me he wishes he'd never met me a lot of the time and lists off reasons, but NEVER says 'I wish I didn't meet you because gave me herpes' which makes me feel he knew. Because if you asked me why I wish I'd never met him that would be the FIRST reason I would say. It's like he subconsciously forgets to try and hide the fact he knew or at least had suspicions.

I said to him aren't you bothered you will have to mention this to another partner if we break up and he seemed very calm. It almost seemed as if he hadn't thought about it because he wouldn't mention it.

I'll add he has 2 kids to 2 women, is a very woe is me man (it's not his fault he has 2 kids to 2 women), feels he has nothing going for him, is desperate for a family (not in a good way), works nights and wollows in self pity. (These are all things he says too). When I look at it from his perspective I think he possibly knew... but obviously wouldn't want to advertise, hey, I have 2 kids to 2 women, work nights, have herpes, I'm a nasty piece of work, potentially living with ADHD and autism. He knows his baggage is a lot. Now I'm the kind of person that would have accepted him through and through. With the truth.

My gut just tells me he didn't have a natural reaction for someone who was told they likely have an incurable STI such as herpes. He is also always pushy to have sex when I have an outbreak or will try to perform oral on me and I'm more like turned off, getting used to the fact I'm living like this and ALSO for someone who apparently didn't know he had herpes wouldn't he want to do research on the possibility of annoculation etc like I did? I wouldn't want to go down on him if he was flaring up? It literally makes no sense.

So my question is what do you think? I know I'll never find out but I just need to know I am not crazy..

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WhatWhyWhen · 08/09/2019 21:51

Listen to those of you on the thread saying it’s an STI, he’s scruffy, all of that. It’s bollocks, as is the 11%. If you’ve had more than 2 sexual partners you WILL have been exposed safe sex or not.

No one with oral herpes bothers talking about it before kissing or giving oral the only issue with genital is the stigma. Most people have it, are totally unaware and never get symptoms. Clinics don’t test for it.

Having said that!

He’s a total bastard for the way he is treating and talking to you! And you really really need to get rid of him.

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 21:55

@WhatWhyWhen

I don't think he was being referred to as a scruffy bastard for having herpes. I think it was more for potentially knowingly spreading the virus.

He, himself even said he doesn't think herpes is scruffy but he thinks Gonorrhoea is. He said it's scruffy to pass on gonorrhoea but not herpes. Again another flag telling me he knew.

And yes of course if you have slept with 2 people you most likely have been exposed to the herpes virus. However that is the statistic of HSV1 not HSV2. I have done a lot of research following this diagnosis and I'm a member of the HVA and they post up to date facts on the virus. x

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Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 21:56

@WhatWhyWhen oh and yeah I know Hun I've had enough now x

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readitandwept · 08/09/2019 21:57

Get rid of this horrible bastard. Irrespective of the herpes. According to your other thread, he slaps his kids and condones their violent behaviour towards each other. If you have no respect for yourself, at least have some for your own baby that he's "taken on as his own". Fuck that. He's beyond horrendous.

prawnsword · 08/09/2019 21:58

He knew. He gave it to you knowingly & now hopes you will stay with him because you are too embarrassed to leave

This should be a criminal act. Passing on HIV knowingly is.

I’m so sorry he did this to you. Please escape this person & never speak to them again. Cut him out of your life like a cancer. He doesn’t give a shit about your health & wellbeing

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:00

@readitandwept this is why I won't move in with him or allow him to have my child or my child be out of my sight when he's around. All of which he thinks is 'weird' but I dont. He's my child and I don't tryst him. To be honest he probably sees my son once a month and I've never agreed to him taking my child on as his own. I told him that wasn't necessary but it made me believe he was decent. Now it's a case of finding the strength to leave. Hence why I'm trying to tie everything together so I can leave with strength. Not broken and hating myself x

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criticaldarling · 08/09/2019 22:02

I was reading until the 'he is horrible, he calls me a slag' bit.

Get well rid, he's an abusing twat.

In the nicest possible way 3 months after having a baby you're so vulnerable. It sounds as though you've rushed into a relationship and are putting up with a lot.

TemporaryPermanent · 08/09/2019 22:03

He will never admit it. Stop thinking about him and start thinking about the rest of your life without him.

WhatWhyWhen · 08/09/2019 22:03

No sorry Pink it’s HSV2 as well. I found out I have herpes after being raped. It wasn’t from him, it was found after I had to have a barrage of tests. Probably always had it, from some long distant partner. Every medical professional (and believe me I’ve had a lot!) has made it clear exposure to HSV1 is from childhood, more than 2 partners it’s HSV2 and most people have it dormantly.

Everyone on the thread can shoot me if they wish but the same rules apply as HSV1, if you have a cold sore don’t have sex, same as you wouldn’t kiss. Other than that it’s not something that needs talking about.

I personally take suppressants and will forever, I don’t need to but firstly I don’t want to ever pass it on or talk about it. And secondly I couldn’t have the symptoms as it would be too triggering of the rape (logic of it not being him doesn’t factor!).

Having said that, if he did know (and it sounds like he did), doesn’t take suppressants and happily had unprotected sex with symptoms that REALLY is shitty behaviour.

And that’s without the rest of his awfulness x

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:03

@prawnsword he sometimes tries to leave me. And then comes back with nice gestures and apologies and reasons why he is great. I feel so shit. He's basically told me I'm the reason for his nasty behaviour making me feel nervous t leave because of 1. Herpes and 2. That I won't find anyone else and he will because he's perfect and it's me missing out. Honestly when you're in it it's so bloody difficult. And considering the father of my child wasn't much different it's made it a very horrible few years for me. The father of my child was a narcsssist but too thick to manipulate me.x

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WhatWouldChristineCagneyDo · 08/09/2019 22:04

Oh good god.....

His emotional maturity & sense of personal responsibility is at the level of a 4 year old child.

Have my very first ever LTB

Seriously. Put him in the bin, seal the lid shut & roll him down the fucking hill. You deserve to be with a man, not an overgrown child who is too sared to visit an STD clinic. If he's not prepared to take responsibility for his sexual health then he shouldn't have sex.

FFS I'm bloody livid with this arsehole.

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:05

@WhatWhyWhen
I am really sorry to hear about your experience. Thank you for replying x

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Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:06

@WhatWouldChristineCagneyDo

Exactly. I love your answer haha! Made me laugh. Thank you. I have said this too him. Not only that he clearly produces children often. 2 kids to 3 women and 3 aborted babies. One of those being mine to him which he left me to go through alone x

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readitandwept · 08/09/2019 22:07

You don't live together. You don't need to leave him. Just block the vile specimen and leave any of his shit outside his door.

novasglowx · 08/09/2019 22:07

You had sex with him the same day he first mentioned sore skin on his penis? That should've been the first point of avoidance. And it just gets worse the more you've detailed... Run.

theunrivalledjoysofparenting · 08/09/2019 22:09

he is just horrible to me. Calls me a slag. Makes people up that I've slept with. Calls me a beg. Etc.

Op, this enough to bin him off. Why would you stay with someone who said this to you?

Disgusting specimen.

Run far away. And look after yourself.

Stephminx · 08/09/2019 22:10

As PP have said - he knew and probably deliberately infected you so you'd stay with him (fearing other partners would reject you as a result of your diagnosis) and you'd be trapped into being the family he's 'desperate' for.
The fact you're doubting him indicates you don't trust him and subconsciously know what he's done.
I'm so sorry OP.

prawnsword · 08/09/2019 22:13

Please love channel your anger, he gave you herpes. Now he is mocking you saying nobody will want you. He is the worst of the worst. He is destroying your self esteem. You can live with herpes but you can’t live with this abuse. Please read why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft - can find it free online. It has helped many women understand & escape the abuse cycle

prawnsword · 08/09/2019 22:14

Honestly people have murdered for less

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:14

@readitandwept I've tried that before. I just had 48 hours of witheld calls or him driving past my house x

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Poochandmutt · 08/09/2019 22:17

Dump and run

CourtneyB123 · 08/09/2019 22:17

I'm so sorry OP about your situation, this man really is scum. You have no ties to him this is a perfect situation for you to leave and never look back. He doesn't deserve you. Sounds as if he has the mental capacity of a 3 year old. Verbally abusive, gaslighting, you name it he is doing it - good riddance. Please take good care of yourself you truly deserve a better way of life than stuck with that piece of shit.

Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:17

@theunrivalledjoysofparenting I know - but he makes me believe it's my fault he's saying them things and I find myself believing him. It's really horrible. He apologises and says he knows it's wrong and then does a nice gesture until it happens again a few days later x

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Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:18

@Stephminx hun you worded that exactly as my thought process is. Thank you x

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Pinkgirl1986 · 08/09/2019 22:19

@prawnsword thank you. I will check that out. I need all the emotional support possible right now. I truly thank all of you for replying. It's just a subject I cannot talk to anyone about. X

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