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Child discipline - relationship issues

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MS1415 · 17/08/2019 23:17

I’m sorry if this is a bit jumbled I’m trying my best to get things down but I keep rewriting as I miss things etc and my head is all over the place at the moment.

My child is strong willed and difficult, he can be an absolute nightmare when he wants to be. I do think that his behaviour is within the realms of normal toddler behaviour, the nursery have no concerns and my Mum says his behaviour is normal for a child his age. He’s 3.5. I think sometimes I get lost in the thick of it all and think there’s something wrong with him or the way I parent but I’m told by various people his behaviour is normal - I think the most frustrating thing is it doesn’t seem to change, he doesn’t seem to learn what he’s done is wrong and carries on repeating the same behaviours. Perhaps you can shed some light?
He doesn’t listen. I know he hears but he chooses to ignore or shouts NO. He literally ignores you but I know he understands the rules as when I ask him to tell me what he’s done wrong he does.
He talks over people and interrupts when you’re trying to have a conversation
He steals sweets from the side when I turn my back - climbing to get them.
He sometimes hits and kicks and bites and no amount of telling off seems to be changing this.
He throws tantrums at least once a day if not more when he’s told no.
He embarrasses me in public by screaming his lungs out when I say he can’t have a toy.
Potty training is not working very well at all, he poos in his pants every day. The health visitors tells me it’s not a medical issue and I don’t need to take him to the doctors. I know he can use the toilet and isn’t scared btw because if he’s “forced” to do a poo he does and sometimes does take himself to the toilet for a poo. (this is very frustrating!) he also often wets himself (3 times today alone) but can go all day at nursery with no accidents so he can do it. He’s been dry for 6 months at nursery.

I thought these things would get better as he got older but they don’t seem to be improving.

However he is an extremely loving boy, he can be kind and patient. He shows empathy if I’m crying for whatever reason. When he’s not in a mood he’s lovely.
I am not a perfect parent. Nor am I incredibly patient or calm with him and I’ve definitely lost my shit with him & shouted when he’s kicked me because I told him he had to wait 10 minutes for his dinner etc. However I do TRY my best to react calmly and reasonably at all times.

So I try to stay calm, I discuss rather than shout (unless the situation warrants). I send him to sit on the stairs until he’s calm and we talk - he knows this as he tells me I’m ready to listen and talk Mummy when he’s calm. He knows what is expected of him & also knows that I try my best to be reasonable with him. I did not grow up in a shouting household, nor a smacking one for that matter.
LOs behaviour is getting worse, not better if I’m honest and I think I know why....

My OH has absolutely no patience with the child at all. I feel awfully sorry for him at times and I’ll admit I’ve stepped in and stopped him from shouting at him quite a few times. He however sees nothing wrong with his behaviour.

We differ incredibly on parenting techniques it appears as LO’s behaviour gets difficult this is becoming far more obvious but I’m beginning to find myself wanting to separate and give our son a calm upbringing. However I’m not sure what to do because separating brings us to him being alone with our son and no calming influence from me and some of the things he’s most recently said are really really concerning me.

He torments our son, I genuinely mean torments him. Examples : He misbehaves at dinner / doesn’t finish and is told he can’t have an ice cream. OH thinks he should eat an ice cream in front of him to “teach him a lesson”. I don’t allow this, I think it’s cruel. OH tells me I’m controlling his discipline of his son. He’s in trouble for misbehaving so is sat on time out to calm down, OH goes outside in full view of LO and plays with a ball / jumps on trampoline in turn winds LO up to extreme hysterics.
He wakes from a nap and he needs 10 minutes to adjust - like me before I’ve had a coffee in the morning. OH torments him and LO lashes out in frustration and is then punished for hitting which doesn’t seem fair to me at all, he needs to learn to control his impulses yes but when he’s being intentionally wound up he’s going to react. It’s like OH wants to cause an issue.

I feel like we are at war with LO not because he’s generally badly behaved but because OH expects near perfect behaviour from a 3.5 year old which is just never going to happen.

OH shouts, instantly, for minor indiscretions - things I genuinely believe he needs to be taught calmly is appropriate behaviour but isn’t totally worthy of being shouted at constantly over it. He screams at him for talking over people, talking with food in his mouth, pooing in his pants (only making this worse!), talking in general he seems unable to let the child speak and keeps telling him he should be seen and not heard. Not listening, I get this is frustrating but bellowing at him doesn’t help - he’s actually made me jump repeatedly when he goes from 0-100 about an issue with no warnings to LO that his behaviour isn’t on.

He thinks a reasonable punishment for something minor is to leave him in his bedroom all evening (!!) he expects him to do this.

I have honestly told him I feel like we are running a prison camp sometimes.

Mostly I feel OH massively over reacts to minor things. He grabs him and marches him to his bedroom for nothing. He’s grabbed him by the leg before and I shouted at him to stop. He’s rough and not pleasant. He’s also got right in his face to shout. He towers over the kid whilst he’s balling shouting I’m sorry I’m sorry. LO apologises constantly now and I feel ashamed it’s got to this. I get that sometimes if they’re not listening you have to forcefully remove them but not by the ankle surely? He’s tapped him over the head, flicked his ear. So not outright aggressive but I don’t agree with anything like this.
The kid can’t do anything right. More recently he’s threatened to smack him; I will not stand for that and if he dares I genuinely will make that my hill to die on (I don’t want to start a debate over smacking as punishment it won’t happen in my house).

He always asks LO what’s wrong with him why he’s not a normal child, tells him he won’t have any friends, he’s naughty, he’s nasty, lazy little boy. Horrible little boy. He’s just damn nasty sometimes to this poor child. He doesn’t say anything positive, well okay sometimes he does but not anywhere near often enough.

During one incident recently LO would not sit for a time out and was trying to hurt me. So I improvised and strapped him into his high chair and told him to calm himself down. OH suggested we leave him there for hours as 5 minute time out isn’t working. He genuinely meant leaving our son alone for 2 hours strapped to a chair to “teach him a lesson”.
He talked about locking him in his bedroom, with a lock, for an indefinite period of time also during another meltdown LO had.

Any discussion ends in him telling me I’m controlling him and he can’t discipline as he sees fit - but some of this seems so extreme a reaction. I’m “taking away his options” to discipline LO.

I honestly am horrified sometimes by the way he behaves. I don’t know what to do because if I leave then my son goes to him on a weekend and nobody is there to protect him. I can’t prove any of this of course, it’s my word against him so how do I stop him from seeing him? Well I can’t. I feel absolutely trapped and helpless.

Am I controlling him disciplining as he sees fit when I don’t agree with it? Am I actually protecting my son? I don’t know any more and I don’t know what’s normal. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I’ll try and answer questions if you need because I appreciate this is like all over the place. I’ll reiterate I’m not perfect at all, I don’t think it’s my way or the highway but I do think he’s 3.5 he needs to be nicer when he deals with bad behaviour. Maybe I’m too soft ?

OP posts:
minipie · 17/08/2019 23:28

Your OH is awful.

Your son sounds normal, yes at the strong willed end of things but nothing off the scale, and probably very confused and upset by your OH treatment of him.

I see your point about separation leading to DS having time alone with OH although do you think OH would want that?

Halo1234 · 17/08/2019 23:29

You dont have a problem DC (yet but u will if u continue to allow him to be his treated). He is 3.5 he hasn't fully learned turn taking in conversations. U need to cut him (ds) some slack and pick your battles. He will never be perfect. No one is stop trying to make him. He will have tantrums when he doesn't get his own way. They all do.
That was difficult to read. Locking him up is abuse. Shouting in his face is abuse. Grabbing him my the ankle is abuse. Telling him he is worthless is abuse. None of that is discipline. Phone social services on you oh and leave. Your child is 100% being abused. It's hard but u need to protect him

ittakes2 · 18/08/2019 01:48

I am sorry you are going through this. I would ring a domestic abuse centre and social services and ask their advice on leaving him and what that means for his visitation rights. He is abusing your son and it’s scary as it may get worse. He seems to be escalating it to physical abuse.

MissPollyHadADolly19 · 18/08/2019 02:09

What the fuck is he gonna be like when your son is a strong willed teen?
OP have you thought about family counselling? There can be a turn around point from this but it needs to be done pronto.

Shooturlocalmethdealer · 18/08/2019 02:25

You need to ease up on your DC OP. He is only 3. Typical behavior for a toddler. Your OH on the other hand... is being terribly abusive to your DC. You need to leave or OH does immediately. His behavior will only escalate. I truly believe some of the DCs behavior is because of your OH. Write and record any abuse down. You have to protect your DC at all cost.

MyBlueMoonbeam · 18/08/2019 02:28

This

Someoneontheweb · 18/08/2019 02:37

I couldn't finish your post OP, your poor poor child, he's only 3. Your OH is awful and I would be making notes of his behaviour and reporting him to social services. Leaving a 3 year old tied up to a chair to teach him a lesson?!

MyBlueMoonbeam · 18/08/2019 02:38

And this totally

Smurfy23 · 18/08/2019 02:50

Agree with all of the above. There seems to be very little positivity or incentives to behave well or properly for DS. From your OP there just seems to be a sliding scale of negativity in which no one seems to be happy.

What about setting up a meeting between DP and nursery? The aim.being for them to normalise DS's behaviour and also give DP support in parenting. Whether you stay with him or not (I know what I'd be looking to do....) he desperately needs help as he hasnt got a clue.

flamingpink · 18/08/2019 03:52

I’ve been through this type of thing with my husband. Our kids are older now. I wish I’d found a way to leave. I’m now here purely to protect my kids. Would your OH want him for the weekend do you think?

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 18/08/2019 05:12

Your husband is disgusting.

Mrsmummy90 · 18/08/2019 05:19

Report him and leave him. Record his abusive behaviour if you have to.
He is horrific and is traumatising your child.

bonnielassie1 · 18/08/2019 05:26

I think you need to research active ignoring it’s like magic and this applies to DS and OH

HairyPorter · 18/08/2019 05:29

Agree this is abuse. If you are planning to leave, start documenting and collecting evidence of the abuse. Get your finances secure as well beforehand. You need to safeguard your child.

chickenyhead · 18/08/2019 05:41

First off OP you know that your son is scared of your OH. Very scared.

You also know that your OH is abusing your child viciously.

You are trying to distance yourself from this abuse by describing your precious little boy as "this child". He is 3. If you cant love and protect him who exactly will?

If you insist on staying with this animal, you need to think long and hard about how to protect your son. Personally I would leave and there is no way on earth I would allow that filthy scum have my child for even 5 minutes.

Sorry OP but the onus is on you.

AgentJohnson · 18/08/2019 06:13

Your son is who he is and needs to be parented accordingly. Your H is a bully and will stunt his emotional growth if you stay.

Your son is being abused in front of you, he doesn’t have a choice in living with his tormentor, you do.

Booboostwo · 18/08/2019 06:17

Your OH is abusive. What you describe is awful, it will ruin your DS’s life. Talk to a women’s shelter/domestic abuse counseling service and a lawyer to see how you can get yourself and your child away from this excuse for a father.

SimplySteveRedux · 18/08/2019 06:19

Your son is 3.5 and I'm in no doubt your OH's behaviour is leading to a massive acceleration in his challenging behaviour. Without OH there your son would be significantly calmer with less incidence of behaviour. In addition, your OH is borderline being abusive to your son.

SimplySteveRedux · 18/08/2019 06:21

Actually, he's not borderline abusing your son on re-reading your OP, he's full on abusing him. He's an utter moron with his behaviour (your OH not your son).

FuriousVexation · 18/08/2019 06:23

Is he your son's dad?

Your narrative vairies both ways.

SimplySteveRedux · 18/08/2019 06:25

He always asks LO what’s wrong with him why he’s not a normal child,

JFC, does he want your son to grow up with developmental issues, eradicated self-esteem and self-worth that can last decades. You need to be very careful you don't have Social Services involved and they will ask why you're complicit/enabling your OH's behaviour. It will be obvious to a trained teacher/TA what is going on.

Fontofnoknowledge · 18/08/2019 06:31

Protect your son AND yourself by speaking to social services tomorrow morning. Being proactive now will help you leave and register your concerns about his behaviour against your son when/if he applies for contact.

Show them your OP. It spell out what he is like and should assist in making any contact supervised.

You need to do this as soon as possible. Work WITH social services. Get their help and assistance in safeguarding your child. Show them you put him first.

You don't really have any choice now. This isn't a 'wait and see' situation. Your OHs next moves will become increasingly violent and psychologically abusive - and I am sorry to say - you will be guilty of allowing it if you do nothing. You need to act.

category12 · 18/08/2019 06:41

Report your partner to the police, get social services involved, get a paper trail of the physical and psychological abuse of your dc now. Your poor little boy.

Are you afraid of your OH yourself?

growingfrenchlavender · 18/08/2019 06:43

I don’t think your sons behaviour is normal, actually, but I suspect a lot of that is fuelled by the difficult home environment. I hope you understand i am saying that with kindness.

Starlight2004 · 18/08/2019 06:50

It sounds to me like your sons behaviour could be getting worse because your partners behaviour towards him is abusive and he must be confused and this would cause him to react. He is getting to an age where he will remember this, he probably already will. I don't think it sounds normal to torment a child like that or want to strap him to a chair for hours or lock him in a room... not normal at all! How was he brought up? Was he abused? I would be taking my child and getting out of there fast!