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Is this an odd way to treat grandkids / nephews?

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wigglybluelines · 14/07/2019 16:58

DSIL has invited DM and DS1 to go stay with her for a couple of days in the holidays - but not DS2.

DS1 is 10, DS2 is 6.

I asked if they'd consider taking both DC, or if they'd have DS2 another time as he'd feel terribly left out. But DSIL and DM don't want to have both of them, DSIL said she'd suggested it as she thought it'd be fun for our DM to have just DS1 and both of them wouldn't be so fun as DM finds it hard and DSIL is at work.

DSIL works 4 days a week, and her DH is a teacher. I don't understand why they wouldn't just invite them on a weekend?

I asked if they'd considered that DS2 would feel left out, and they both said - well your Gran took you abroad twice without your sister. This was when I was 12 and 17, hardly the same. (Is my sister resentful of this now?! I had no idea!) Also my GPs on both sides regularly had me and my DSIS for holidays. It's wasn't a one off like this is.

My mum rarely helps with the DC. She says it's because she's getting too old, and there is a bit of truth in that. But the underlying issue IMO is she's just not very patient with DC and has never really instinctively good with DC. When I was little, we had nannies and au pairs, she was career focused and found us hard work.

DM is the same age as DMIL. DMIL is less mobile than DM, but loves having the DC, so they go visit her for a week or 10 days at a time. It's more an attitude thing than a mobility thing IMO.

I understand I won't change DM's ways, she's not going to suddenly start liking spending time with DC. But surely my able-bodied DSIS with the help of her teacher DH, and DM, could manage 2 kids between them?

What's galling also, is I'm having a terrible time. DH and I seem to be on the verge of splitting up, I'm struggling financially, emotionally and trying to fix the house up so we can move. DH is unwell most of the time. I could really do with some child free time. I told both my DM and DSIL at Christmas that things were really bad. DSIL hasn't mentioned it since, not once. She's not interested in supporting me emotionally. Fair enough.

But also, 2 years ago she announced, out of the blue, that she wanted to be more helpeful as an aunty. I suspect this is because she's seen how hands-on her DH is with his nephews and sees that other families are a bit more involved and supportive than ours. But that's only amounted to her taking each DS once, on their own, for a day out. And helping me empty a garage. In 2 years. I don't complain, but I am baffled - surely this is a chance to help, if that's what she wants?

I'm not sure how to deal with this? I want to say - sod off, you don't get to play happy families with DS1 while ignoring DS2. She did offer to have DS2 at autumn half term when I pushed the point. But I don't know if that fits with our plans. And really, I'd dearly love some help so I can try to sort out some of the chaos at home.

But OTH if I don't let DS1 go, then he's missing out isn't he?

Should I just accept the morsels on offer gratefully? Or try to get them to understand that this isn't how most families treat each other and I could really do with some help right now. I don't ever ask for help with the DC, I don't expect anything, but now they've brought this up I want to put my foot down and say no, I think you're treating us badly here.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 16:03

I work part time. but there is a lot to do to get the house ready for sale. I am really struggling to do it all on my own.

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converseandjeans · 15/07/2019 16:26

So I think you have a DH problem and seem to be taking it out on your BIL.
Teaching is hard work - I wouldn't volunteer to have kids in my school hols.
Just tell youngest he can go to stay when he's 10.
At this rate they won't have either. Can't you get house sorted on days off term time? How many days do you work?

fedup21 · 15/07/2019 16:34

I work part time. but there is a lot to do to get the house ready for sale.

I have moved twice with small children and it simply wouldn’t have occurred to me to expect my family or in laws to have the kids for days. You work part time and your kids aren’t tiny, you just need to wade through it.

Saying your BIL is a teacher so should want to have your two kids on his weekend or school holiday whilst you leisurely pack is unreasonable.

If they offered and absolutely insisted the boys came to stay for a couple of days to help you, that would be utterly amazing, but you can’t expect that and I think it’s unfair to criticise them for not doing so.

converseandjeans · 15/07/2019 16:43

Well said fedup

wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 17:52

It's not about packing. It's about getting work done on the house.

Bringing the kitchen up to scratch including putting a new floor down, sorting the drive, sanding floors, putting a new door on the bathroom, sorting electrics upstairs, emptying the attic and taking most of it to the dump, fixing the broken slats in the conservatory, lots of making good and painting and decorating.

We're a long, long way from "leisurely packing".

All the jobs DH was going to do or supervise over the last few years but hasn't got round to because he's been too ill, basically.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:02

i am doing what I can with the time I have. But I am struggling. DH is ill, my marriage is breaking down. I am skint (so can't just chuck money at problems to make them easier or go away).

I could really do with some help from them right now. Not all the time, but at this time, which is difficult. why shouldn't I expect support from family, of all people, when I'm struggling?

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Oliversmumsarmy · 15/07/2019 18:04

I understand where you are coming from wigglybluelines

You can get on with diy stuff so much more easily without DC around.
You do though need childcare.

Could you call in a favour or 2 from other parents that have children your children are friends with for a sleepover or just taking each one for a play date that lasts all day

Or is there a cheap alternative, just the odd day or few hours you can afford.

SavingSpaces2019 · 15/07/2019 18:17

Your IL's have not made any effort really with you or your DC.
They don't care enough.
They are - however - very happy to use you to satisfy their own wants.
Even now DC1 isn't being invited because they love and want him - it's to satisfy Grandma's ego and let her pretend that she's some loving granny doting on DGC and spending 'quality time making memories' with him.

But I don't understand why she doesn't invite the DC for a weekend with her, so she's in charge of them and invite DM to visit
Cos she isn't interested and doesn't want to spend time with her nephews.
They're just tools to be used as and when it pleases her/family.
You accept her excuses re them being 'too much work/no time' so this dynamic will probably be repeated in the future.

Also, i'd be a lot more suspicious about her sudden interest in your DC when your marriage is on the rocks.
Your H will have been confiding in his family.
A 10 year old, who's known them longer/better, is probably easier to bribe, manipulate, interrogate than the 6 year old.
Plus the 6 year old is probably thought of as still 'your baby' by them, so maybe they think DS1 is more 'theirs' ?

SavingSpaces2019 · 15/07/2019 18:20

You do realise that they're actually refusing to help their own son/brother by dismissing you?
I think that support will only be offered to him after you split.....and you've been painted as the bad woman who kicked H when he was already down.......

anothernotherone · 15/07/2019 18:25

SavingSpaces2019 the OP's MIL does have the children, together, for 10 days straight! It's her own mother and sister who she's complaining about.

wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:26

You do realise that they're actually refusing to help their own son/brother by dismissing you?

I'm not talking about my ILs. I'm talking about my own sister and mother here.

My ILs are very helpful, just miles away. It's my own family who aren't stepping up to help.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:29

But yes, I do feel a bit like they're using my DC to satisfy their own wants.

That it's come at a time when I could do with some genuine support is upsetting as it highlights how little the two women I'd hope have my back, actually care.

My DM always said she was too old to look after DS1 at all when he was small. Even for an hour or so. We lived very near them then and saw them lots. But then when he was 2, she suddenly asked if she could have him for an afternoon as her friend had her DGS visiting. I let him go with raised eyebrows! So it's always been on her terms.

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fedup21 · 15/07/2019 18:30

I'm talking about my own sister and mother here.

Oh! Why did you call her your SIL throughout your post?!

wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:31

DSis not SIL.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:32

Also BIL, DSis's husband, my BIL.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 18:35

Thanks for understanding Oliversmumsarmy. I'm muddling through best I can. Holiday club is cheap here, so that's a good thing. There's one mum here I share childcare favours with, she's great and we support each other where we can. But she has a busy life, and I don't want to take the piss!

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twinkledag · 15/07/2019 18:44

It really sucks when you realise that the love, attention and support you give out isn't reciprocated. 💐

I would let DS go on his own but there's a big back story which is clouding the way you feel.

wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 19:18

Thanks for understanding twinkledag Flowers

I'll let DS go and try to make it clear they need to say DD's turn will be next time. Even if when next time is, isn't specified.

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SandyY2K · 15/07/2019 21:28

Does your DH really leave all the work to you if you have DC to stay?

I have my nieces and nephews over because I can cope with them all without any help. I see it as my responsibility.

When my Dsis had my DC over (when they were younger) it was her looking after them, not her DH.

I can pop to the shops when I have them over and he would keep an eye on them... but I don't have them and on the basis of him being around.

I don't need to have a word with him, because I'm competent at looking after my nieces and nephews.

Upsidedownpineapplecake · 15/07/2019 21:29

I think the issue with your DM is that she had lots of help when you were little and so she really has no concept of what you life would be like. Ditto in a way for you DS as she has no kids.
My children have no grandparents so I would take whatever help was offered. I understand about your Ds2 being upset but I think you can explain this to them in which ever way you feel he will understand
If you have friend that could help out withDs2 in the holidays at the same time please ask her. She sounds like she gets it .
Sorry that you are having such a hard time

SandyY2K · 15/07/2019 21:34

You seem to think you have a right to demand their help.

If they don't want to help...you can't force them.
I know if i needed help and when I did my DM came from 200 miles away to help...but its because we're a close family. I wouldn't expect it if that wasn't the case.

Families are all different... a friend of mine had her MIL charging money to babysit her GC... you just need to accept that they don't feel able to or don't want to help....as hard as that might be.

wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 23:09

You seem to think you have a right to demand their help

No I don't think that, and I don't demand it, ever.

I think I have a right to feel upset that my own mother and sister lack empathy for me though, and that I can't turn to them when I'm struggling.

I'd be gutted if my own DC felt this way about me.

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wigglybluelines · 15/07/2019 23:10

I think the issue with your DM is that she had lots of help when you were little and so she really has no concept of what you life would be like.

Yes, I think you're right.

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MarthasGinYard · 15/07/2019 23:48

'I think I have a right to feel upset that my own mother and sister lack empathy for me though,'

TBH though Op you indicate your DM farmed much of the care of you and your Sister out ....as it appears you are trying to do.

Why did you imagine she'd be so different with your dc?

ittakes2 · 16/07/2019 00:16

I find this interesting - there is a huge age gap between a 10 year old and a 6 year old. She is helping you - she’s reducing your pressure by one child. Just do something nice with your 6 year old and accept her offer to have him in the autumn

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