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Twin still hasn’t accepted my pregnancy 8 months in and his bullying is getting out of hand

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eesjcs · 30/06/2019 12:16

I fell pregnant at the end of 2018 just before I turned 21. I refused to have an abortion and the father walked out on me after that. I’ve dealt with all this in my stride, completed my final year at university and have received all the support from my family. I’m lucky enough to live in a nice big family home in a nice area and plan on working as soon as I’m ready because I know this is my responsibility and choice. As the pregnancy is coming to an end my family and friends are starting to get really excited, as am I, yet my borther is still giving me a hard time, particularly when no one else is around. His reaction to me finding out I was pregnant was by far the worse out of all of my family and friends. Though people were shocked, they respected my decision and came around. My brother refused to talk to me for days. He said he was booking a holiday when the baby was due so he wouldn’t have to see ‘it’ and that he would find a way to move out. I had asked the people who knew not to put anything on social media or gossip about it, purely because I am fiercely private and wanted the father to have space from the situation hoping he maybe would eventually come around. My brother then proceeded to tell all of his friends, even the personal details about the situation with the father etc, and would then send me messages of people asking him and his friends about it and tell me I can’t complain about gossip because I chose it. He would refer to the baby things such as ‘it’ or ‘the kid’ and would tell people I was an ‘idiot’ and ‘got myself pregnant.’ I take full responsibility for having unprotected sex but it still stung as I hadn’t realised my medicine had effected my birth control and he didn’t seem to blame the person who got me pregnant at all. I managed to get some distance because I shortly went back to uni and will be graduating at exactly 9 months in July with a 2:1. There was an optimistic vibe in uni and that’s where I started having scans and planning baby names etc with my housemates. In April I had a massive gender reveal party where people travelled all the way from uni and loads of my friends and family came, including my brother who had made it clear he wanted it to be a boy and wore blue. When it was revealed I was expecting a girl, he had a very OTT and dismayed reaction and was the only one to do so. At first I didn’t think much of it but I soon resented him for refusing to call the baby anything other than ‘it’ despite her now having a gender and a name. When we started buying stuff for the baby his behaviour grew worse. My auntie very generously bought a very nice and expensive pram which I’m so lucky to own. When my brother saw it he said I was spoilt and that he deserved something worth that much too. After seeing the nursery for the first time he pretended to punch the Moses basket which made my mum furious. When we came back with loads of stuff we had bought he waited until our mum had left the room and told me really insensitive things like he didn’t blame the father for walking out on me and that I should have an abortion because he wanted it which drove me to tears as I was now heavily pregnant and had never wanted an abortion. He would also say that I wouldn’t even look after the baby and my parents would. He told me I would have to start dating after giving birth for financial support. I have worked since I was 16 and worked for as long as I could in between uni while pregnant while he refuses to even apply for summer jobs so just find his views unbearable. When my parents went away he told me he would leave any girl he got pregnant because he wouldn’t want it but also wouldn’t be stupid enough to get into that situtation, in front of his girlfriend, and that it’s double standards that women get to choose whether to keep the baby or not. When he sees me getting upset he starts smirking and laughing - thought he won’t dare say this in front of other people showing him to be the bully he is. His sexist views disgust me and makes me worry for how he will treat my daughter. He said he’d make his girlfriend have an abortion which upset her greatly and in the end I had to leave the room. He has one more year left in uni so won’t be around the baby much but the thought of having to live with him with a baby makes me sick. We’ve never had the typical sibling, let alone twin, bond but now it feels like he’s bullying me because he’s jealous of the attention but there’s no way to talk him out of things. I don’t know why he has any reason to be jealous of me when he’s always been really academically gifted and got into all the top universities and won awards at schools etc, and has had a long term girlfriend. I’ve always had to work really hard and never done quite as well as him and an a survivor of abuse and have had a few failed relationships, including the one with the father who I don’t even mention. I just don’t know what to do and would at least like some way of coping because I know my mum would never make him leave. She hates the way he talks about the baby and me but it doesn’t stop him. I really just want to cut him from life at this point, the way he used to treat me when we were younger resulted in me having to go to a different school. He let his friends smash up my bedroom when I was out and doesn’t stop them walking into my room and invading my privacy - which led to them all being banned. My friends hate him and his friends which shows its not just a sibling rivalry. I don’t want to feel sorry for myself because I’m really excited about the baby and knew there would be discrimination, it’s just something in starting to get sick of and want to be as relaxed and as happy as I can be for the remainder of my pregnancy. Thank you.

OP posts:
MitziK · 30/06/2019 16:55

Having video evidence of his behaviour towards you would go some way in substantiating your need for housing by the council, as at present, if they were to receive your application, as you have a home and your parents would undoubtedly say 'oh yes, she can stay here', their response would be that you aren't homeless and your parents should tell him to move out. If he's sent any messages threatening you/the baby, you should also use those.

Your description of how he is counts as domestic abuse and there does appear to be a significant risk of him abusing both you and the baby when she's born. Nobody is legally expected to stay in accommodation under those circumstances, you would then count as homeless.

It might not sound appealing at the moment, but you might have to be very firm with your parents and say that you cannot live with them whilst he's there and the only safe solution is for either him to go or for you to do so - if they have the income, perhaps they could rent a place for the two of you or stand as guarantors to get it through credit checks and then you take over the contract/paying the rent? They might take it more seriously if they see you're prepared to move into a refuge/council temporary housing/a B&B to protect yourself and your baby.

AmeriAnn · 30/06/2019 16:57

You didn't show up for the class explaining paragraphs did you?

GreenTulips · 30/06/2019 17:02

Coronapop

What’s wrong with woman feeling confident they can raise a baby alone? What’s wrong with that? So many children would be better off in a single parent family than suffer the abuse of some males.

Good luck OP - you can easily manage to raise a baby.

TeacupDrama · 30/06/2019 17:10

@ameriann that is unnecessary

Graphista · 30/06/2019 17:13

Reported the crappy post by Footle!

In your position I would not be leaving that baby in the house with him without you there!

Have you recorded anything he's said? Seems he's brave when nobody else around but would shit himself if people knew what a cunt he is!

Yes you need to move out you won't be able to relax and his being woken by a crying baby and seeing you getting support will probably make him even worse!

Your parents are pathetic! They should have bollocked him for such behaviour way before now, sounds like he's been getting away for shitty behaviour and attitude for far too long.

In your shoes I'd be moving out ASAP and having nothing more to do with the twat!

NotStayingIn · 30/06/2019 17:19

OP don’t let a few idiot posters stop you from coming here to get advice. There are some sad losers out there who have nothing better to do that make condescending comments.

You are doing the right thing in trying to find ways to solve this really tricky situation. I agree with others, try and secretly record it, talk to your parents again and once the baby is born never ever leave her alone and set up a secret recording device in whatever area she sleeps in. I personally think he will hurt her, little pinched etc. Nothing too obvious so be very vigilant. He honestly sounds unhinged. (Also agree re behaviour towards animals, that can be a real warning sign.) Good luck OP

readitandwept · 30/06/2019 17:19

Which post @Graphista?

EKGEMS · 30/06/2019 17:19

AneriAnn You clearly didn't show up where empathy,compassion and respect was taught,did you? This young woman is about to give birth and dealing with a psychopath twin brother and you focus on paragraphs? What color is the sky in your world?

Michellebops · 30/06/2019 17:22

I agree with @Middersweekly

I don't think your brother has mental health issues, I think he is a bully with a sexist and narcissistic tendencies.

He's super jealous of the attention you and your baby is receiving before she's even here.

I hope your family see him for what he is and helps you to either get your own place or move him elsewhere.

Good luck with the baby. Little girls are your future best friend 💕

Mabelface · 30/06/2019 17:24

If I was your mother, he'd be out of the house very quickly if he couldn't wind his neck in and treat you civilly. You're the one who needs attention and support right now, and he can't stand the spotlight being away from him. Talk to your parents and tell them absolutely everything.

mummmy2017 · 30/06/2019 17:32

Wow...
Video him, you need to so you can show your parents. ..how is his GF still with him.
I think he has spent 21 years being a golden child and bullying you , suddenly you have something he can never do, and his jealousy is through the roof .

eesjcs · 30/06/2019 17:33

A party doesn’t make up someone’s character. It was a nice way to bring everyone in the baby life together while I was home for university and hardly relevant. Hardly attention seeking, otherwise wouldn’t be anonymous, I didn’t even expect so many people to respond, literally looking for help not criticism. As for the father not being involved, that’s on him not me, and I am proud for doing what I want to do and you’re shaming is quite sad. It’s not about what my brother thinks, it’s how he’s been treating me and I’m sure people have been through similar things. Unnecessary.

OP posts:
Footle · 30/06/2019 18:03

@Graphista , which was my crappy post?

Footle · 30/06/2019 18:05

@readitandwept , thank you for asking @Graphista the same question! I'm hoping it's a case of mistaken identity.
OP, sorry to derail your thread.

Graphista · 30/06/2019 19:43

Your very first post at 1220

I'm fed up to the back teeth of seeing posts aligning mental illness with abusive twatty behaviour.

It's inaccurate, disablist bullshit!

Justbreathing · 30/06/2019 19:45

I would be looking deeper at your whole family dynamic. You sound like a nice person. And I fear you might be in denial about your whole family. You’re not 7. Your parents should have nipped this in the bus years ago
SERIOUSLY think about why they did not. You’ve got a child now. You do not want to be repeating patterns.
Get some counselling ASAP.

BlueJag · 30/06/2019 20:05

Record him or buy a camera so your parents can see how vile he is.

FookMeFookYou · 30/06/2019 20:05

I stopped reading half way though... your brother is a nasty little shit and I'm glad it's not him having a baby.

The behaviour from your brother is weird. It's like a jealous ex. Feel a bit sick actually - I don't know why anyone would act so venomously if this was a normal family dynamic.

I know ppl say twins have this 'bond' over and above single siblings but the whole situation gives me the jeebies Confused

NauseousMum · 30/06/2019 20:07

I wouldn't rely on his not hurting your baby or yourself. Your parents have shown they won't help either. So no one will protect you of the baby except you.

Your brother is a nasty piece of work. More fool his girlfriend for staying.

You need to tell all this to your midwife.

Raspberrytruffle · 30/06/2019 20:28

I've been in the same position years ago with my brother OP and my parents wouldn't put a stop to it, I ended up moving out to a freinds sofa. Your brother sounds like a toddler not getting enough attention. So sorry you shouldn't be dealing with it, the only thing I can think of is giving your family an ultimatum tell them of his abuse and say if it's not going to stop you will be moving out asap Flowers

Flamingnora123 · 30/06/2019 21:15

I've never met someone so cold, cruel and misogynistic as your brother sounds and I've met some real fuckers. What does your mum think of his sexism? Perhaps the 'boys will be boys' attitude is what has led him to here. You ate stronger and more capable than he will ever be, try to use his hate and negativity to propel you.
And congratulations!!

mamasosa · 30/06/2019 21:31

I'm sorry to say this OP but caring for a newborn is incredibly demanding and it doesn't sound like your current situation is suitable. Please be very aware of post natal depression as once your dd arrives you will be very vulnerable and your brothers behaviors is essentially abusive. If you can get your own place I think that would be your best option. Also, as others have mentioned please don't leave your brother alone with your daughter. He sounds very unstable. Wishing you and your daughter the best

mamasosa · 30/06/2019 21:40

Also, your brother seems to be demonstrating some narcissistic traits. Maybe bring this up with your parents but please don't stay quiet. Make sure he knows that his opinion on you, your life and your decisions does not affect you in the slightest. You are content with your decisions and if he doesn't like it he can lump it. Don't ever justify yourself when he insults you, just walk away after making it clear you give zero shits about his opinion. He could very well be projecting his own insecurities onto you which is not your problem. What a nasty piece of work!

Moralitym1n1 · 30/06/2019 22:15

Show your parents this thread, OP.

I second that.

Alysanne · 01/07/2019 17:46

Record what he says to you when everyone leaves then call him out infront of your parents. Let them hear the truth and hopefully they'll kick him out (or atleast give him a reality check)

Your daughters safety comes first. The fact he is bullying his pregnant sister and unborn niece shows what a coward he is. At 21 he should be out working and living in his own place. I left home at 17 for university and worked during my degree.

I know you said everything comes easy for him and you've struggled but you'll come out better in the long run. Soon you'll have your gorgeous little girl and newly graduating with a two one (congratulations on both!)

As other posters have said please do not leave your little alone for a second with your brother. You may think he won't do anything but if what he has done to you so far is to go by please don't risk it.

Good luck OP :) x

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