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DH asked when I’m going to lose THE WEIGHT

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PeaPumpkinPie · 05/06/2019 16:01

We’ve been together 23 years and married 17 years with 3 lovely DC. From the outside, we seem to live a charmed life, but the reality is that we live like siblings (he loves to cuddle and peck on the lips/cheek). We have some fun, banter and bicker quite often (but nothing serious) and life revolves around our home, the DC and our broader families.

For the first 7 years or so, we had a fun, exciting and healthy sex life. At that point, DH got a much bigger, more stressful job and his sex drive declined significantly. For a decade or so after, I made a lot of advances, bought nice lingerie, stayed slim and groomed and got rejected nearly every time. He was always too tired and over that time we usually had sex once a week, always at his initiation and on a weekend morning (really it was just a quick fumble before busy day started). All DC were conceived first time, which was incredibly lucky!

For the past 5 years, I’ve made zero effort on that front. We’ve had sex 3 times. During that time, he tried to initiate twice more and I turned him down. He seemed to take this really personally and got offended and hasn’t asked since.

Life has been busy and bustling. We’ve shared a bed throughout all of this and cuddle every day (he initiates most of the affection). Weirdly I know he’s attractive, but I don’t find him so attractive anymore. It’s like the chemistry we had originally has fizzled out!

I assume he’s asexual or most likely quite into porn instead (I thought it may be a bit of ED on the last few times actually).

So the point of my post is that he recently asked me when I’m going to lose THE WEIGHT. I’ve put that in capitol letters, as it really was astonishing when he said it. To be clear, I’ve gained probably 3.5 stone in the past 2 years (from a size 10 to 16). I know objectively that I’m no longer beautiful, but I am still attractive (sorry if that sounds big headed). In any case, I don’t know why it makes a difference to DH. I still wear make up and nice hair etc. I’m definitely more tired from a busy career and home life, so I’m not as polished perhaps and my clothes aren’t as lovely, but really my physical appearance is fatter, but not materially changed overall.

We have no sex life and he just blamed this status on THE WEIGHT. I find it astonishing, as I was a size 10 and much more beautiful for a very long time and he showed zero physical attraction towards me back then.

It’s not ok, is it for him to make an issue about my weight?

I was rejected sexually for so long even when slim. He told me last week that he wants us to have a “physical relationship”. I was so shocked at the time that I didn’t answer. The reality is that we’re like brother and sister and have been for a long time. I get changed in the bathroom for privacy. I really cannot fathom having an intimate relationship with him again. This sounds odd, but it seems inappropriate and a bit icky.

I don’t want to split up our family. I resigned myself to the current situation a long time ago and we’ve been great co-parents so far. Luckily there’s no financial pressures if we do split up, but it would make a big difference to our DC and I love DH, he’s my best friend.

P.s. I know there’s a Sex board on here, but that seems to be full of people wanting tips etc, rather than broader issues in a relationship

OP posts:
smallereveryday · 05/06/2019 18:37

There are plenty of very happy marriages with no sex.

It doesn't sound a deal breaker not to have sex for you. Is it for your DH ? We didn't have sex for three Years because I put on 5 stone . (Meds' steroids overeating) .. it made me miserable and I had a gastric sleeve because how the weight affected my health.. the side affect has been restoration of my sex life because now I feel more sexually attractive..
Over those three years we also kept going on kisses and cuddles.
It really depends on what is more important to you AND him .
You don't need to end your marriage. But you do both need to talk to each other honestly.

AmICrazyorWhat2 · 05/06/2019 18:41

@SimonJT

If I’m on a commode and unable to clean myself (unless it is a very temporary issue), I would be leaving him as I don’t think partners should have to be caregivers.

Then you've never experienced deep love, simon. When one person truly loves another, they want to care for them "in sickness and in health." Physical incapacity or illness doesn't change the person inside and that's who they love. It doesn't mean they don't feel sad about it sometimes or wish things were different, but their love is stronger.

I hope you meet someone one day who loves you like that and vice versa.

Bluntness100 · 05/06/2019 18:49

On his terms, at his chosen frequency, at his time of choosing and not particularly satisfactory for the OP

I dunno but I'd be royally peed off if my husband was asking me for sex daily. When doing a high pressure job I don't see the issue with weekly sex. Sure it wasn't as much as she wanted, but I don't think he should be forced to have sex when he doesn't wish to any more than she should.

Complaining the sex wasn't good enough for her too is a bit much. He's not a performing monkey and if a man was saying this about a woman who worked full time, that he only got shagged weekly when he wanted it daily and it wasn't good enough for him there would be a fucking outcry.

SunshineCake · 05/06/2019 18:52

I hope things work out for you, OP be it alone, with your husband or a new lover.

SimonJT · 05/06/2019 18:56

@Bluntness100 I agree with you regarding the frequency issue, but I can see where the satisfaction issue could cause major problems. No, he isn’t a performing monkey, but sex should be enjoyable for both people, for some it isn’t an issue, for others sexual compatability is a major issue. My ex and I weren’t sexually compatible, as he wasn’t satisfied with what I was willing to do, we gave it a good go, but ultimately if the needs of one person isn’t being met that person won’t be happy and content.

Tavannach · 05/06/2019 18:56

All the years being slim and making an effort with lingerie etc but being rejected hurt and upset you and have destroyed your sexual interest in him. For him to then turn that around and blame it on your now weight is just that, him not accepting responsibility and blaming you.

^This.
I don't think I'd be staying. Your relationshipn seems quite soul destroying.

Bluntness100 · 05/06/2019 19:05

I totally agree Sex has to be satisfactory for both.

I'm not really sure rhe issue is she didn't like having sex with him for that decade though. I get it wasn't as much as she wanted, eithe in frequency or duration but with young kids and a high pressure job I do think if this was a man writing about a woman there would be an outcry.

Anyway my point is he wasn't simply rejecting her for a decade as people are making out, they still had weekly sex, even though it wasn't as often nor did it last as long as she'd like.

The issue is they have had sex three times in the last five years, and he would like that part of their lives back. He has made a negative comment about her weight as she's gained quite a lot. Both of which she needs to talk to him about, because they both need to make some decisions and I suspect as said he's on his way out. She's happy with thr status quo. He is not.

HelenaDove · 05/06/2019 19:12

I think she should let him go. What if he changes his mind again? Should she keep living by his whims.

tinierclanger · 05/06/2019 19:16

I might be wrong, but it sounds like you haven't actually talked about it. I think the first step is really to have a conversation about how you see your lives together, whether that includes sex, and if not, if either or both of you either want to a)split up or b)pursue it elsewhere. Or to find a way to bring it back. It doesn't sound like continuing in a non sexual relationship is an option any more.

DecomposingComposers · 05/06/2019 19:19

Size 16 is nowhere near obese - it's more likely to be a healthy weight than size 10.

That's not true. At size 10 I not at bottom end of healthy BMI. At size 16 I would definitely being overweight if not obese range

Deathgrip · 05/06/2019 19:25

Bluntness, you seem pretty determined to paint the OP in a negative light, comparing her to men who complain about frequency or quality of sex.

Except that’s not what’s happening here.

  • OP was rejected every time she initiated sex for a decade
  • she tried to make an effort for that time
  • she didn’t complain or end the marriage and adjusted to the boundaries he was setting
  • now he’s blaming her weight / appearance for a problem that’s a decade old and predated any change in her appearance
PeaPumpkinPie · 05/06/2019 19:29

Some of these comments make me sound like a giant heifer. Just put my stats into the NHS BMI calculator and it says 26.8. So not good, but not horrific either. I’m definitely not healthier now.

Anyway, I digress. Back in the old days I would have liked more frequent intimacy (like 3/4 times), but accepted much less. I’m being glib saying it was always a fumble. Sometimes wonderful, but impossible to fully relax, explore and enjoy when kids are waking up and you’re rushing to swimming lessons etc. Why a nighttime and different day, I’ll never know. Through all of this, I’ve passed up/ignored/sidestepped plenty of external interest (from within a male dominated industry), because I’m committed to my marriage. That’s why I’d go nuclear if there’s another party involved (I still don’t think there is).

So the outcome is that I’m planning to lose weight anyway. I currently don’t have interest or intention in reigniting that part of our relationship. Who knows if the future holds a reignited spark with DH (I know these things can be hormonal too). If he does instigate a split, it could be perfectly amicable (as long as there’s no 3rd party). And a split (whilst very sad) wouldn’t be dire, as I’ve got financial independence and hopefully an interesting personality to fall back on haha.

And I’m sure someone somewhere will find me attractive in the future (just not whilst DC are living at home). What’s the Liam Neeson quote from Love Actually? Something like “even Meatloaf got laid once and look at Ringo Starr, he married a Bond girl” 😂

OP posts:
LemonTT · 05/06/2019 19:33

Does it really matter who is to blame or how awful he is. They are over, if they ever were a thing. IMO they should call it a day before they emotionally destroy each other.
Nobody should have to change in their bathroom in their home for the rest of their life.

Bluntness100 · 05/06/2019 19:37

Death grip that was unfair. Hopefully the ops update put you right. I was simply trying to put it in a more balanced light due to some of the hysteria on here.

op. You seem to be being pragmatic. Sit down and talk to him. It's the only way forward for you both.

Robin2323 · 05/06/2019 19:42

Good luck with weight loss op.

And on a side note.
My husband weights 3.5 stone more than when we first met and he's sexier than ever.

Just more to love :)

BishopofBathandWells · 05/06/2019 20:06

@EAIOU I don't disagree with that. I just know that if a woman were on here saying that her partner was putting pressure on her to have sex but she was happy with once a week since they'd had kids, the MN collective would probably say that he had a cheek and she should LTB.

I realise my view is simplistic. I'm just struck by it all being about the OPs feelings, how many offers she's had, how many times she was rebuffed etc etc.

user1481840227 · 05/06/2019 20:16

I generally don't have a problem with men (or women) approaching the topic of their partner losing weight as long as it's done in a sensitive way.

but in your particular case he has chosen for some bizarre reason to blame your lack of sex on your weight, and that's clearly not what caused it.

You've mentioned a few times that it's odd that you feel like you wouldn't be able to have sex with him again. It's definitely not odd and seems to happen to so many women. I don't know why but there surely must be some science behind it because it is so so common among women when the sex has been non existent or very infrequent for a while. Once you start to live like brother/sister or like flatmates, it seems impossible for women to then see their partner again sexually. This doesn't seem to happen for men.

Often the women still loves her husband, but just can't bring herself to have sex with him, the aversion is that strong. Often then the tension among the couple is awful!! and even having sex for a few minutes once a week could alleviate most of that tension and horrible atmosphere but the aversion to having sex with that man is so strong that the woman can't even bring herself to do that!!

I had this with an ex and it was awful and know some other women who feel that way and sorry if people think i'm using this word inappropriately but we have discussed it at times and the rare occasions we went along with it we said it felt like we were raping ourselves. Now I wasn't attracted to my ex at all and it was a terrible relationship so mine was slightly different, but for my friends who felt the same even though they loved them they felt disgusted and a bit traumatised after having sex with them once they reached that point.
All of them who moved on had healthy sex drives again and found they loved sex and were once again sexual creatures once they left that relationship!

Some day I'll have to do some research on this and find out what the science behind it is lol because it is really so common!

I really don't think that many women find a way to come back from it! I know sometimes after the man has an affair the woman may suddenly engage in hysterical bonding which is a crazy rush to try to fix things and connect and have sex and all of that, probably something to do with evolution to try to keep the provider around.. but that tends to crash and burn anyway afterwards in this day and age.

EAIOU · 05/06/2019 20:19

Yes but that all impacts on how you feel.

It depends how important you value intimacy/sex in a relationship. There were 2 people involve but OPs husband set the mark for the frequency and rebuffed her attempts of a sexual spark.

The OP has now placed less importance on a sex life with her DH and is rightly annoyed that he wants to again set the frequency of the sexual encounters but feels her weight is a problem.

It seems very one sided and unfair. (Selfish too).

I am not saying LTB or he's a prick. I'm saying I can absolutely empathise with the situation and that the OP has a right to be annoyed/upset.

It is absolutely down to the OP is she wishes to reignite that spark or not. She should not be judged for putting on weight or for not putting out.

Sometimes an ear is all someone needs.

I don't think there is much hysteria on the thread bar a few ridiculous comments about weight gain or the OP is being selfish.

Good luck with weight loss OP and with what you decide to do.

Quintella · 05/06/2019 20:30

OP, it's clear you have no desire to resume a sexual life with your husband. What you and he both need to decide is whether this platonic marriage is enough for you and enough for him.

Butterfly98 · 05/06/2019 20:35

@ReanimatedSGB I know this is going off topic but do you genuinely believe that a size 10 is unhealthy and that a size 16 is healthier and not obese? I hope you're not a health professional giving out advice like that!

Thequaffle · 05/06/2019 20:40

Holy crap, you’ve friendzoned your DH..!

Comment about your weight is way off. Does he still look like he always did?

Deathgrip · 05/06/2019 20:41

It wasn’t unfair in the least Bluntness, this is what you said:

I'd be royally peed off if my husband was asking me for sex daily (she never said that)

Complaining the sex wasn't good enough for her too is a bit much. He's not a performing monkey and if a man was saying this about a woman who worked full time, that he only got shagged weekly when he wanted it daily and it wasn't good enough for him there would be a fucking outcry

Again, not even remotely relevant and she didn’t complain about it, she adapted to things as he wanted them and now she’s being blamed.

If she’d come on saying what you’re suggesting, she’d get ripped to shreds too. She didn’t.

Ninkaninus · 05/06/2019 20:42

Actually it’s perfectly possible that someone at size 16 is healthier than someone of a smaller size. Easy example is if the bigger person is very fit and exercises a lot, plus eats a varied diet rich in lots of nutrients compared to a smaller person who smokes, does no exercise, drinks every weekend and is permanently on a ‘diet’.

Ninkaninus · 05/06/2019 20:45

And size 16 wouldn’t be anywhere near obese for a lot of people. So maybe you should educate yourself, Butterfly.

user1481840227 · 05/06/2019 20:58

Ninkaninus, I would imagine that at least somesize 16s are in the obese category, if not they are definitely in the overweight category of BMI. Size 10 would be generally in the healthy weight category

Saying that of course some size 16 women are healthier than some size 10 women, but realistically I would say that most of them aren't.