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Please help me leave/do something (long, sorry)

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Hp737 · 03/06/2019 10:34

Please hold my hand. I have no friends left, my family are sick of hearing from me about my relationship, and I feel completely alone. I’ve tried calling women’s aid 4 times and I can never get through.
From the outside my life looks great. It’s all a total lie. I am 2 months from a fairytale wedding costing a fortune, I have a gorgeous dd and a fiancé is seen as the best stepdad and partner, he’s very successful and generous and my and dd’s Lives in some ways are so much easier and more exciting as a result. I was a single mum for 3 years and it was incredibly hard as dd’s Dad left me when I was pregnant, I’ve never had any money from him. I’ve had to graft to earn enough to support us and build my skills but I did it. We were managing, just. Then I met dp and he seemed so nice, fun, involved, he proposed after a year, we’ve been on some great holidays, he buys us presents, our lives were supposed to be so great.
But it’s just a total lie.
I feel physical dread when it’s just me, dp and my dd. He is very moody and his moods are pervasive. Anything can switch them on, but usually dd doing something (the other day it was when orange juice on her face got on his T-shirt) and/or me intervening if he shouts at her or is too harsh in the telling off. I try to stay calm and diffuse situations like that but he takes it as me not backing him up. Tells me I have a problem with anyone else having authority over dd (I don’t- she has been in childcare since 6 months old). Then the sulk and anger will start. He doesn’t care where we are when we do this. It’s happened on foreign holidays, at some of the major London landmarks on days out, sunny picnics, even around my family he will do it. It’s got to the point where I have a physical response to him getting angry, shouting at me or stonewalling me in public. My heart races, I have had a couple of full blown panic attack when out, I beg him to just calm down and apologise but it’s never enough. Yesterday I was on a tube train crying and begging him to just calm down and I caught a girl watching us and I was so embarrassed and ashamed. I look pathetic and I feel pathetic when that happens. It is just almost impossible to function when we are out and he’s sulked through a picnic or a museum or whatever, while I am left to try and keep a happy face on for dd and mitigate how she feels about it, then he will usually at some point threaten to leave me, or to go home/walk off, saying he doesn’t know if he wants to be with me. It panics me so much and he keeps doing this to me in public. It’s like he cannot come down from anger.
I broke down last night when we got home. Begged him to see that I never want to undermine him around dd, that I love them both and wish that he could just relax around her and stop letting the stepfather role be such a sore point. I was devastated and he told me I was crazy, he couldn’t talk to me when I was upset, I need to back him up more with dd.
Dd isn’t the only trigger for him. He doesn’t like me questioning anything really. When I asked him (half jokily, trying to be diplomatic) to bring his dirty laundry from the bathroom he huffed and withheld affection and sex. When I asked him not to go away for a work trip a day early because it was my birthday and we had plans, he was furious. When I was upset about my job being put at risk he found it frustrating that I didn’t just resign immediately. My thoughts, feelings and actions are so frustrating to him and he has no qualms about ruining days, evenings, weeks to make a point. If I ever try and make up the morning after a fight he will jsut respond with nasty texts. He’s threatened to leave me so many times I’ve lost count. He admits this is something he does to “make me listen”.

I don’t know what to do. I feel like there is nowhere left for us to go. For a long time I thought he could relax into us and stop reacting angrily, i thought I could jsut make him see he’s loved and he would love me too. I’ve had all this hope for our future but our entire engagement has been full of panic, sadness and hurt on my part and I cannot bear the thought of days out and holidays anymore. If we all stay in the house and he can go on his computer game and not engage with me and dd, things are relatively calm. If we are apart, at work or on separate trips, things can be ok. Then I’ll think “oh let’s go for a picnic” or something on the weekend and it will quickly fall apart because of something dd or I say or do.

I will have to pay about 6k that I can’t afford if I cancel the wedding now. I know he won’t pay towards it if I leave him even though it was the wedding he wanted and I didn’t. I have dithered about this for too long and now I’m going to lose money and I’m terrified. All my savings will be gone and it will be back to me finding the whole rent and bills if he goes (though he has previously said the one time I asked him to leave, that he won’t leave as “he pays rent too”) and my job is at risk, I’m applying for jobs but have had very little interest in my cv. I’ve massively let dd down and I feel like I’ve been blind for so long trying to make it work with dp. On some tiny level I still think he is a good person underneath, he says he doesn’t mean to be moody or nasty, but he cannot stop. He cannot have a conversation partner to partner. He rolls his eyes, sneers, criticises. My panic is rising even writing this. He’s not physical at all, it’s all the sulking and silence and the snide comments and criticisms and the threats to leave or saying he isn’t sure he wants to marry me.

I know I need to leave but I feel utterly paralysed, ashamed, like I’m screaming inside. I’ve beaten myself up for months thinking I’m difficult, trying to find ways to be different or phrase things or keep him calm, but there’s no way. I am living in a state of panic and sadness and uncertainty under this facade of the perfect life. I don’t know what to do. I feel pathetic that I’m asking a forum of strangers because I have nothing real in my life (except dd).

Please help me. Even if just a handhold.i really need someone to tell me exactly what to do and that this is going to be ok. I’m so ashamed of myself and devastated about what has happened. I loved him so much. So many nice days wasted, so much potential wasted because he can not communicate or listen. I’m not saying I’m perfect but I’ve tried everything and I just live in fear of his moods.

OP posts:
stupidorparanoid · 03/06/2019 10:42

So sorry to hear what you are going through. My head says 'Leave him, do not go through with the wedding'. He is a bully and treating you so badly to the point where you are having panic attacks. Please think carefully before you go ahead into a marriage and have more kids. I am going through a tough time myself and I know how hard it is to let go of someone you love. Big hugs xx

Snowfalling · 03/06/2019 10:47

Awww op. I'm so sorry you're going through this. He is not moody or unable to communicate, he is an abusive man who loves having control over you and dd. Please keep contacting women's aid. Don't give up. You cannot be in this relationship any longer, but you know that already. Don't be ashamed of yourself, you've done nothing wrong. Keep posting here hopefully others will be along with better advice.

Sending you hugs and strength x

katy78 · 03/06/2019 10:48

Would the costs of divorce be more expensive?

nc100 · 03/06/2019 10:48

You have to leave for yourself and for your daughter. Can you go stay with the family you mention?

Forget the wedding deposits you'll lose. That doesn't matter, it's money. Your health and happiness is worth much more

nc100 · 03/06/2019 10:49

Katy, please say you are not suggesting she marries him just to divorce?

Snowfalling · 03/06/2019 10:49

Just to add, no matter t what it takes, you need to leave him, he's a nasty piece of work, but you are not married to him yet so have no legal ties. You can get an occupation order to make him leave the home. Search for this online or speak to women's aid.

Littletabbyocelot · 03/06/2019 10:58

I'm sorry I don't have the experience to tell you what to do but I'm here for the handhold. Leaving him is the right thing to do. You need to view him as a whole person. He is someone who behaves this way. There is no underneath, this is who he is. He will have nice elements, everyone does but that doesn't change his willingness to treat you this way.

Who's name are the deposits / wedding contracts in?

YouJustDoYou · 03/06/2019 11:09

My mum stayed married to my dad because of the nice house, nice car, nice life. My dad was just like how your partner sounds - it was horrible for me as a child. Please don't do this to yourself, or your dd. 6k of debt, or a continued horrible life treating in eggshells for you and your dd by staying with him?

TixieLix · 03/06/2019 11:17

OP, if you can't get through to Women's Aid, try contacting Refuge instead. They also help women who are experiencing all types of abuse/violence etc. They have a Freefone 24 hour helpline on 0808 2000 247. Good luck!

k1233 · 03/06/2019 11:19

Threatening to leave to make you listen? Next time he does it, leave. Easy for a stranger to say.

My guess is that, if you cancel the wedding, you'll find your family will be very supportive. They would have seen how he treats you and dd. They won't be liking it.

£6k isn't a lot to be free of him. Can you honestly imagine spending the rest of your life walking on eggshells trying not to set him off. That isn't an existence let alone a life.

You and your dd deserve better.

k1233 · 03/06/2019 11:20

I'll just add you will never be good enough to prevent his bullshit. He will constantly find new things you or dd do to set him off. Never his fault, always your failing.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 03/06/2019 11:25

£6k or a life tied to this abusive, childish, sulker?

I'd say it's a bloody bargain.

I don't mean that to be glib either. Please do not go through with the wedding. He is not a good stepfather to your DD. Please don't subject her to years of this; show her what having self respect means. Leave him. Tell your family why; what he's really like.

saying he isn’t sure he wants to marry me

Next time, agree with him and tell him you don't want to marry him either.

Hp737 · 03/06/2019 11:28

He can be so nice in some ways. Buying us things, cooking for us a lot, saying he supports me whatever I want to do, saying he wants us to be a family. But it’s like Jekyll and Hyde because then he will be harsh to dd when she’s just acting like a normal 5 year old, or he will sulk at me for not “backing him up” when he does so, or he will get frustrated with me if I don’t do what he thinks I should do when I’m upset or worried about something. He finds it so easy to shut down even when I’m upset because it’s inconvenient or hard for him. He will be all “I want to be with you forever” and planning the wedding then next minute he will be saying he doesn’t know why we bother. While I know I should just say “ok agreed” when he threatens to leave, it panics the hell out of me, I was really damaged by my dad constantly threatening to leave my mum which I witnessed aged 8-13, it sets off my panic response. And yes I know I’m a cliche to have found a man jsut like my dad. I feel low level panic all the time with dp but when he’s in a nice mode he tries to make out like he’s my supporter and the only person who can look after me. It really is like a dual personality. I’m so trapped. I have never felt this way before even as a single mum, even after bad breakups. It’s killing me because it feels like it didn’t have to be like this but he cannot stop.

OP posts:
HourglassTigger · 03/06/2019 11:46

Physical dread, palpitations, panic attacks ...
Imagine your daughter growing up constantly feeling like this herself, daily chastized just for existing. Her entire childhood dominated by a tyrant that does not love her.

Get Out.

Seniorschoolmum · 03/06/2019 11:57

Op, first of all, DO NOT FEEL ASHAMED. This is not your fault and ypu’ve done nothing wrong.
However, you know you can’t marry him. You know you need to protect your dd. And you know you can survive as a single mum if necessary. Imagine 50 years with a man like that.

Please, tell someone in real life, call Samaritans or the domestic violence unit at Social Services if you cannot get help from Woman’s Aid.

Ring your mum and tell her. The worst she can do is refuse to help. But If my dd was in this situation and she didn’t ask for my help, I would be mortified.

Big hug Brew

watchingtheworld · 03/06/2019 12:14

Women's aid rarely answer the phone but do leave a message saying when you will be alone and can talk and they will call you at that time.

simplekindoflife · 03/06/2019 12:27

Whatever you do, do not marry this man!

Cancel the wedding. Do it today. He won't change, he'll get worse the minute that ring is on your finger and it'll be a hell of a lot harder to get rid of him then.

This man is emotionally abusive. Your dd will see and hear all of this and be affected by it, just as you are. She'll grownup walking on eggshells too and things like getting her juice on him and then causing a scene facilitates mental anxiety disorders. You might not be able to afford holidays without him but children would much rather have a simple but happy life than live in fear, trust me.

You have to leave, but you know that already. That's why you're here. Now you need to find the strength to do it. You and your dd deserve so much more Thanks

hellsbellsmelons · 03/06/2019 12:52

What would you tell your DD when she's older if she is with a man like this?
You would tell her to get the hell away from him.
He's no good for you and your poor DD doesn't deserve any of this.
As her mum, it's your job to protect you.
You are living with an abusive man in an abusive environment.
Your DD will choose a man just like this as you are modeling future relationships for her.
You know what to do.
What is the living situation?
Do you have any family you can go to?

For now keep trying Womens Aid.
You could also try Rights of Women.
If housing is going to be an issue then please contact Shelter.

You did it before and you can do it again.
Go it alone.
Do the Freedom Programme with Womens Aid as soon as possible.

But you absolutely stop inflicting this abuse on your DD.
It's not fair on her. At 5 she doesn't have a choice.
You do. Make the right one.

PeoniesarePink · 03/06/2019 12:55

You have a choice in your relationship with him. Your DD doesn't.

How you feel is exactly how she will be feeling when he kicks off.

Doesn't she deserve better?

In the kindest way, stop making excuses and get this horrid excuse of a man out of both of your lives.

thethoughtfox · 03/06/2019 12:57

Pay the £6000 for your freedom and for the happiness of your child. The world is a scary place don't let her home be the scariest. Teach her that you will keep her safe.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 03/06/2019 13:00

Have you tried your local women's aid as well as the national number?

Spanglyprincess1 · 03/06/2019 13:04

My exh was like this and I had no children. Everyone thought he was perfect and lovely, I still have panic attacks about how he used to be.
Man I'm with now and is the father of my ds isn't perfect but I'm never scared of him.
Does he do anything like my ex:
Belittle you eg you so stupid, you can't do anything right or use media to shame you but as a joke. So if you react it's your fault.
Not speak to you for hours on end if you didn't do what he wants.
Insist you dress a certain way or he won't be seen out with you as you embarrass him

I was married for 8 years. I miss the money sometimes and him tbh when he was nice he was amazing. But I don't miss being afraid. You should never be afraid of the person you are with. It's not okay.
Hugs to you.

ComeAndDance · 03/06/2019 13:06

He is abusive, thats why he has the good guy/bad guy switch. If he was always bad/nasty, you wouldnt be asking yourself that question.

But you know that as you have tried t contact WA.

I would contact your family and ask them if you can go and stay with them for a while. Ask for some support in RL, people wont be surprised seeing that he behaves that way in public too.
Cancel the wedding and free yourself from a bully. he is already affecting your MH, what would it in 5 or 10 years time? How will it be for your dd to live under such stress for years and years?

Forget about his good sides. They will never be enough to cancel what he is putting you and your dd through. Atm, you have no children, no assets, no marriage. This is the best time to separate. When you are married, have a house together or children together, it will be 100x more difficult.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/06/2019 13:09

What the other respondents have written. You cannot possibly marry this man under any circumstances. Your relationship with him is over because of the abuse he metes out towards you and in turn your DD.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?. You were very much harmed here and the legacy of that remains with you to this day. Did you get with men who, like this current bloke, is just as abusive as your own father?. It does seem so sadly and it is no coincidence. You can and should unlearn the destructive patterns you picked up but you are going to have to put a lot of work in through counselling. The Freedom Programme is a must do for you now.

What do you want to teach her about relationships and what do you think she is learning here from the two of you?. You are modelling this to her, this abusive model must not be the one she goes on to emulate as an adult. Its no legacy to leave her.

He being "nice" towards you sometimes is the nice part of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one.

Womens Aid and or your local domestic violence organisations are the people to call. You can and have indeed taken an important first step out by writing about this and for that you deserve full credit. Keep going and FGS do not marry this person.

IvanaPee · 03/06/2019 13:11

The thing is, you have a choice but your dd doesn’t.

If you stay in this, she’s forced to stay in this. The fear, the panic, the sadness...she has to deal with it, too, and she’s little more than a baby.

YOU deserve more than this. YOU deserve to feel safe and secure.

But if you can’t do it for you, please, please, PLEASE do it for her.

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