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Please help me leave/do something (long, sorry)

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Hp737 · 03/06/2019 10:34

Please hold my hand. I have no friends left, my family are sick of hearing from me about my relationship, and I feel completely alone. I’ve tried calling women’s aid 4 times and I can never get through.
From the outside my life looks great. It’s all a total lie. I am 2 months from a fairytale wedding costing a fortune, I have a gorgeous dd and a fiancé is seen as the best stepdad and partner, he’s very successful and generous and my and dd’s Lives in some ways are so much easier and more exciting as a result. I was a single mum for 3 years and it was incredibly hard as dd’s Dad left me when I was pregnant, I’ve never had any money from him. I’ve had to graft to earn enough to support us and build my skills but I did it. We were managing, just. Then I met dp and he seemed so nice, fun, involved, he proposed after a year, we’ve been on some great holidays, he buys us presents, our lives were supposed to be so great.
But it’s just a total lie.
I feel physical dread when it’s just me, dp and my dd. He is very moody and his moods are pervasive. Anything can switch them on, but usually dd doing something (the other day it was when orange juice on her face got on his T-shirt) and/or me intervening if he shouts at her or is too harsh in the telling off. I try to stay calm and diffuse situations like that but he takes it as me not backing him up. Tells me I have a problem with anyone else having authority over dd (I don’t- she has been in childcare since 6 months old). Then the sulk and anger will start. He doesn’t care where we are when we do this. It’s happened on foreign holidays, at some of the major London landmarks on days out, sunny picnics, even around my family he will do it. It’s got to the point where I have a physical response to him getting angry, shouting at me or stonewalling me in public. My heart races, I have had a couple of full blown panic attack when out, I beg him to just calm down and apologise but it’s never enough. Yesterday I was on a tube train crying and begging him to just calm down and I caught a girl watching us and I was so embarrassed and ashamed. I look pathetic and I feel pathetic when that happens. It is just almost impossible to function when we are out and he’s sulked through a picnic or a museum or whatever, while I am left to try and keep a happy face on for dd and mitigate how she feels about it, then he will usually at some point threaten to leave me, or to go home/walk off, saying he doesn’t know if he wants to be with me. It panics me so much and he keeps doing this to me in public. It’s like he cannot come down from anger.
I broke down last night when we got home. Begged him to see that I never want to undermine him around dd, that I love them both and wish that he could just relax around her and stop letting the stepfather role be such a sore point. I was devastated and he told me I was crazy, he couldn’t talk to me when I was upset, I need to back him up more with dd.
Dd isn’t the only trigger for him. He doesn’t like me questioning anything really. When I asked him (half jokily, trying to be diplomatic) to bring his dirty laundry from the bathroom he huffed and withheld affection and sex. When I asked him not to go away for a work trip a day early because it was my birthday and we had plans, he was furious. When I was upset about my job being put at risk he found it frustrating that I didn’t just resign immediately. My thoughts, feelings and actions are so frustrating to him and he has no qualms about ruining days, evenings, weeks to make a point. If I ever try and make up the morning after a fight he will jsut respond with nasty texts. He’s threatened to leave me so many times I’ve lost count. He admits this is something he does to “make me listen”.

I don’t know what to do. I feel like there is nowhere left for us to go. For a long time I thought he could relax into us and stop reacting angrily, i thought I could jsut make him see he’s loved and he would love me too. I’ve had all this hope for our future but our entire engagement has been full of panic, sadness and hurt on my part and I cannot bear the thought of days out and holidays anymore. If we all stay in the house and he can go on his computer game and not engage with me and dd, things are relatively calm. If we are apart, at work or on separate trips, things can be ok. Then I’ll think “oh let’s go for a picnic” or something on the weekend and it will quickly fall apart because of something dd or I say or do.

I will have to pay about 6k that I can’t afford if I cancel the wedding now. I know he won’t pay towards it if I leave him even though it was the wedding he wanted and I didn’t. I have dithered about this for too long and now I’m going to lose money and I’m terrified. All my savings will be gone and it will be back to me finding the whole rent and bills if he goes (though he has previously said the one time I asked him to leave, that he won’t leave as “he pays rent too”) and my job is at risk, I’m applying for jobs but have had very little interest in my cv. I’ve massively let dd down and I feel like I’ve been blind for so long trying to make it work with dp. On some tiny level I still think he is a good person underneath, he says he doesn’t mean to be moody or nasty, but he cannot stop. He cannot have a conversation partner to partner. He rolls his eyes, sneers, criticises. My panic is rising even writing this. He’s not physical at all, it’s all the sulking and silence and the snide comments and criticisms and the threats to leave or saying he isn’t sure he wants to marry me.

I know I need to leave but I feel utterly paralysed, ashamed, like I’m screaming inside. I’ve beaten myself up for months thinking I’m difficult, trying to find ways to be different or phrase things or keep him calm, but there’s no way. I am living in a state of panic and sadness and uncertainty under this facade of the perfect life. I don’t know what to do. I feel pathetic that I’m asking a forum of strangers because I have nothing real in my life (except dd).

Please help me. Even if just a handhold.i really need someone to tell me exactly what to do and that this is going to be ok. I’m so ashamed of myself and devastated about what has happened. I loved him so much. So many nice days wasted, so much potential wasted because he can not communicate or listen. I’m not saying I’m perfect but I’ve tried everything and I just live in fear of his moods.

OP posts:
harriethoyle · 03/06/2019 19:03

Best of luck OP. I'm rooting for you x

birdonawire1 · 03/06/2019 19:10

When the dust has settled he will try every method he can to get you to come back. My ex once said to me, if you leave me I'll just turn on the charm and you will come running back. He was right as I learned the hard way. Don't believe a word he says. He knows all your buttons and will press every one. You'll only see him as he really is when he sees none of it has worked.

AbbieLexie · 03/06/2019 19:17

So relieved to read your plans. Flowers for you and DD.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 03/06/2019 19:19

Well done OP! as others have said though, be aware he may suddenly be all contrite and realise his mistakes once he knows you mean business. Don't be fooled by this. All abusers try this, as they don't like losing control of their prey. Do not engage, a clean break is needed.

Once you've resettled, just you and your DD, you'll feel the weight lift off your shoulders. No more panic attacks. And a calm, happy healthy child.

RandomMess · 03/06/2019 19:19

KOKO Thanks

Have you told all your family how bad it is and how frightened you are?

fuckwitseverywhere · 03/06/2019 20:46

Good luck OP. You're strong and you can do this. Keep talking to us

WellThisIsShit · 04/06/2019 05:59

Well done OP, that’s a very important and significant decision. Flowers

pog100 · 04/06/2019 07:24

Well done in having the self awareness to understand your position despite the damage from your father and for recognising what has to be done. It sounds like you have the support of family. That makes it much easier. Make sure they understand the real situation so that they will be be fully on your side. Good luck. You will do this!

user1497997754 · 04/06/2019 07:26

I am so pleased you made this decision. I married someone just like him when my daughter was 6 and it was a really bad mistake. I regretted it everyday we were married and we got divorced and life is a million times better. The relief was amazing trust me you are doing the right thing for you and your daughter you should not walk around afraid that is a huge red flag that he is a controller and very manipulative. He is trying to buy you with the nice holidays etc....let us know how you get on and look forward to Thursday when you can reclaim your life back x.

hellsbellsmelons · 04/06/2019 08:15

Blimey OP.
You've come such a long way in such a short amount time.
It really does help when professional organisations can help with justifying how you feel.
You have a good plan in place.
Try to act normally until you are out.
This is a vulnerable time and this is when abuse can escalate.
So take care of yourself.
Good luck on Thursday.
Wine here's to freedom

Hp737 · 04/06/2019 08:29

@hellsbellsmelons it’s all happened quite quickly in my head. I think that I just couldn’t stand another day ruined, or feeling that way again. It was like whatever was left just died. I was speaking to WA and the Samaritans and they were reassuring to me about any worries I had left.
He is now suspicious that I’m “not ok” and keeps seeking reassurance. I’m trying to stay normal as possible because I can see so, so clearly what he is doing. I know soon he will cause a row accusing me of “trying to make him suffer”. I literally know his modus operandi so well.
I still feel anxious but in a different way. I get real flashes of sadness about the future and wishing we could just be happily moving towards our wedding. It seems crazy that things have come to this. But it is NOT ME. This is because he needs control and compliance and he can’t help being angry if he doesn’t get them. He may not tell me what to wear or who to see but he frequently sabotages things I am excited about (to name a few: christmas at Kew, glamping, the London aquarium, the Tower of London, picnics in the park, a holiday with my mum). He also cannot let me discipline or treat dd as I see fit. I don’t even know what I get out of it anymore. He never plans anything nice for us to do, never chats to or plays with dd, just sits on his computer ignoring us for hours on end. I do all housework, holiday planning, taking dd to activities, wedding planning. He is chronically lazy- he has been told by a dr to lose weight but refuses to exercise or change his diet. And yet he called me “frumpy” last week (“jokily”), is always calling me “old” (I’m one year older than him.. and 30). It’s all kind of nasty. He buys me things I don’t ask for. Thinking of it, we split holidays/etc 50/50. I don’t have expensive tastes and dd and I could still have holidays and trips on our own.
I feel a real anger and resentment now. Some of my favourite places ruined by him, my precious child upset by him, and my own mental health in the toilet because of him, and all he is doing right now (because he has picked up on something being off) is trying to make me feel like I should be making this ok!
There is nowhere left for us to go, me and him. As shit as it is, that’s what I know.

OP posts:
QueenOfTheCroneAge · 04/06/2019 08:50

Blimey OP! if he's like this at 29, imagine how he'd be as a middle aged man! so glad you've realised now what you're dealing with.

Not much longer, and you'll be free. I repeat, don't listen to any bullshit he may come out with after the split. He will NOT change. He will also not like losing his prey, so may promise to be different. Do not fall for it. Go no contact ASAP.

You owe him nothing. You owe your DD and yourself a happier life.

cestlavielife · 04/06/2019 08:52

You know what to do.
You cannot put your dd through this
He doesn't like her and may lash out.
Dont put your dd at risk
You need to get out and fast.

hellsbellsmelons · 04/06/2019 08:56

No it's not you.
But now you know that and that's a massive step.
You are doing all the right things.
Try not be drawn into any arguments.
You got this!
Stay strong and stay focused.
Keep posting here for support.
So many women on here have been right where you are now.

cestlavielife · 04/06/2019 08:58

Please be wise to his tricks
Whether that s crying and begging
Or getting angry
Or both.

Get safely away and cut contact.
Don't tell him what you are planning.

ImNotNigel · 04/06/2019 09:01

since he got home he’s been sniping at me for being “quiet and weird”

Tell him that he’s right, you are not feeling yourself and you think you are coming down with a tummy bug / UTI/ the flu.

Tell him you are going to take some meds and go to bed early / sleep in DDs room so you don’t disturb him getting up in the night.

pashola · 04/06/2019 09:13

I'm going through a similar thing at the moment. My DH moved out on the weekend. He displayed some similar behaviours to your OH.

I agree that you are right to leave him, they don't change and it's such a funny thing in that I dithered on this decision for 5 or so years as I was in the fog but once your out of the fog and you can see their behaviour and tactics for what they are you can't unsee them and then everything becomes so clear and the decision becomes so simple.

user1497997754 · 04/06/2019 09:15

You are so in the right here.....I kind of knew before I married this guy that things were not as I thought they should be.....but I ignored my feelings and thought stupidly that once we were married things would get better,,,,they got worse....this was 15 years ago...I am now with someone who is completely the opposite and life is easy.....sometimes I look back with dread to think I could have stuck it out.....it takes courage to leave but you just have to imagine being with this guy forever......you would be a complete shadow of the real you and your daughter would suffer....Thursday is your day of freedom .....xxxx.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 04/06/2019 09:26

Agree to tell him you're feeling under the weather to avoid any engagement about why you're being quiet and weird. Pah!

I think you have a solid plan in place. Great that you have sought and received help and reassurance from others in real life. You can do this. And you will. And your daughter will thank you for it. Good luck, please keep posting. Flowers

Hp737 · 04/06/2019 09:41

Question: if you were out for a nice day (this wasn’t just last weekend, it’s happened x times) and dp acted like this- getting angry over something relatively trivial and spoiling the tone for the rest of the day, would you take it on yourself to bring up the mood for the day again? Eg. By snapping back to happy excited mode, being affectionate to dp, laughing, having fun?
Because I couldn’t do this on Sunday after he pulled his sulk. I managed to act relatively calmly but didn’t really want to talk or have a laugh with dp anymore. I wanted dd to have her picnic and enjoy the park but I couldn’t be arsed to smooth it over for dp. HE blew up at me after a while when we were out because I was “sulking at him” and “had decided the day was ruined and was acting like that”. I.e. he thought I should pull the day round. When I said, look I’m not angry I’m just disappointed about this day, he sulked again, then upped the ante by threatening to leave and upsetting me in public.
What would you have done? Are my reactions normal? Was it on me to fix that day?
This week he is getting silently resentful that I am “being funny” because of Sunday but the fact is yes I am feeling shit. I’d rather just be left alone with that but he’s painting this into my fault again.
How many days have I tried to rescue for
Dd while feeling under pressure to immediately bounce back from dp’s mood/sulk/angry outburst? This is what led to a massive panic attack in public a few weeks back. The pressure was just too much and I completely caved.
I KNOW that something is wrong, have known for months. WHY have I put up with it.

OP posts:
Hp737 · 04/06/2019 09:48

I’m so upset that my and my daughters lives have been at the mercy of this emotional rollercoaster. Domestic terrorism. That’s how it feels. These days I find myself anxious if dd doesn’t finish her food in case dp decides to tell her off (I don’t care if she clears her plate, if she’s had enough). Or the other day when she and her cousin were shouting in their game in the other room and he yelled CUT IT OUT! And I said (not in front of kids) “I don’t think that was necessary, they’re just playing” and he went in a MASSIVE mood and accused me of not backing him up. Once last year she said he had a “big tummy” (which he does) and he acted like it was a mortal insult, telling me I should have done something about it.
I feel so drained by this fucking shit.
Months ago I asked if he could bring in my laundry from the bathroom as well as his own and he refused to have sex or talk to me because I’d been so controlling. The other day I had accidentally melted a bit of “his” plastic spatula and he reprimanded me in front of my family and I had to go order him a new one to avoid a sulk.
He says his moods are due to anxiety but he just isn’t a nice man, is he.

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 04/06/2019 10:05

Nope - he's a vile abusive 'man'
Just re-read your posts OP.
This is so far from normal it's actually quite unbelievable.
Although I totally believe you.
There are unfortunately, waaaaay too many men like this out there.

I hope that writing it all out is helping you to see that he is a nasty man who is trying to destroy you and your DD.
Controlling is an understatement.
And if I was out with someone and they were trying to ruin the day I would walk away.
Tell him to fuck off home so I can enjoy the rest of the day with my DD. And I'd mean it.
Unfortunately you've been conditioned to accept the role of fixer.
It creeps up on you without you even realising until you have that light bulb moment, which you have now had.
You can't fix him.
But keep posting all the horrible things about him.
It will help you to stay strong when you read it back.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 04/06/2019 10:07

He's a big, mardy child OP. Please do not think any of his behaviour is down to you. With every post he sounds worse and worse. Just get yourself free. You are young, and have the rest of your life to live as you please.

He was already wearing you down. Your poor DD, being saddled with him. He would only get worse and she would feel very unwelcome in her own home.

Tooner · 04/06/2019 10:10

Bloody well done OP. Keep reminding yourself of why you are leaving this manipulative git of a man. You are a strong amazing mother and are going to save yourself and your daughter from a life of utter hell.

Mummaofmytribe · 04/06/2019 10:36

Good luck OP. You have a solid plan.
Make sure you have people around you for safety.
Please keep us updated. We're all thinking of you and sending you strength. You're a good, smart, resilient woman.
You are going to have freedom and contentment in your future life.
Don't look back. Treasure your DD and show her you both deserve so much betterFlowers

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