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Please help me leave/do something (long, sorry)

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Hp737 · 03/06/2019 10:34

Please hold my hand. I have no friends left, my family are sick of hearing from me about my relationship, and I feel completely alone. I’ve tried calling women’s aid 4 times and I can never get through.
From the outside my life looks great. It’s all a total lie. I am 2 months from a fairytale wedding costing a fortune, I have a gorgeous dd and a fiancé is seen as the best stepdad and partner, he’s very successful and generous and my and dd’s Lives in some ways are so much easier and more exciting as a result. I was a single mum for 3 years and it was incredibly hard as dd’s Dad left me when I was pregnant, I’ve never had any money from him. I’ve had to graft to earn enough to support us and build my skills but I did it. We were managing, just. Then I met dp and he seemed so nice, fun, involved, he proposed after a year, we’ve been on some great holidays, he buys us presents, our lives were supposed to be so great.
But it’s just a total lie.
I feel physical dread when it’s just me, dp and my dd. He is very moody and his moods are pervasive. Anything can switch them on, but usually dd doing something (the other day it was when orange juice on her face got on his T-shirt) and/or me intervening if he shouts at her or is too harsh in the telling off. I try to stay calm and diffuse situations like that but he takes it as me not backing him up. Tells me I have a problem with anyone else having authority over dd (I don’t- she has been in childcare since 6 months old). Then the sulk and anger will start. He doesn’t care where we are when we do this. It’s happened on foreign holidays, at some of the major London landmarks on days out, sunny picnics, even around my family he will do it. It’s got to the point where I have a physical response to him getting angry, shouting at me or stonewalling me in public. My heart races, I have had a couple of full blown panic attack when out, I beg him to just calm down and apologise but it’s never enough. Yesterday I was on a tube train crying and begging him to just calm down and I caught a girl watching us and I was so embarrassed and ashamed. I look pathetic and I feel pathetic when that happens. It is just almost impossible to function when we are out and he’s sulked through a picnic or a museum or whatever, while I am left to try and keep a happy face on for dd and mitigate how she feels about it, then he will usually at some point threaten to leave me, or to go home/walk off, saying he doesn’t know if he wants to be with me. It panics me so much and he keeps doing this to me in public. It’s like he cannot come down from anger.
I broke down last night when we got home. Begged him to see that I never want to undermine him around dd, that I love them both and wish that he could just relax around her and stop letting the stepfather role be such a sore point. I was devastated and he told me I was crazy, he couldn’t talk to me when I was upset, I need to back him up more with dd.
Dd isn’t the only trigger for him. He doesn’t like me questioning anything really. When I asked him (half jokily, trying to be diplomatic) to bring his dirty laundry from the bathroom he huffed and withheld affection and sex. When I asked him not to go away for a work trip a day early because it was my birthday and we had plans, he was furious. When I was upset about my job being put at risk he found it frustrating that I didn’t just resign immediately. My thoughts, feelings and actions are so frustrating to him and he has no qualms about ruining days, evenings, weeks to make a point. If I ever try and make up the morning after a fight he will jsut respond with nasty texts. He’s threatened to leave me so many times I’ve lost count. He admits this is something he does to “make me listen”.

I don’t know what to do. I feel like there is nowhere left for us to go. For a long time I thought he could relax into us and stop reacting angrily, i thought I could jsut make him see he’s loved and he would love me too. I’ve had all this hope for our future but our entire engagement has been full of panic, sadness and hurt on my part and I cannot bear the thought of days out and holidays anymore. If we all stay in the house and he can go on his computer game and not engage with me and dd, things are relatively calm. If we are apart, at work or on separate trips, things can be ok. Then I’ll think “oh let’s go for a picnic” or something on the weekend and it will quickly fall apart because of something dd or I say or do.

I will have to pay about 6k that I can’t afford if I cancel the wedding now. I know he won’t pay towards it if I leave him even though it was the wedding he wanted and I didn’t. I have dithered about this for too long and now I’m going to lose money and I’m terrified. All my savings will be gone and it will be back to me finding the whole rent and bills if he goes (though he has previously said the one time I asked him to leave, that he won’t leave as “he pays rent too”) and my job is at risk, I’m applying for jobs but have had very little interest in my cv. I’ve massively let dd down and I feel like I’ve been blind for so long trying to make it work with dp. On some tiny level I still think he is a good person underneath, he says he doesn’t mean to be moody or nasty, but he cannot stop. He cannot have a conversation partner to partner. He rolls his eyes, sneers, criticises. My panic is rising even writing this. He’s not physical at all, it’s all the sulking and silence and the snide comments and criticisms and the threats to leave or saying he isn’t sure he wants to marry me.

I know I need to leave but I feel utterly paralysed, ashamed, like I’m screaming inside. I’ve beaten myself up for months thinking I’m difficult, trying to find ways to be different or phrase things or keep him calm, but there’s no way. I am living in a state of panic and sadness and uncertainty under this facade of the perfect life. I don’t know what to do. I feel pathetic that I’m asking a forum of strangers because I have nothing real in my life (except dd).

Please help me. Even if just a handhold.i really need someone to tell me exactly what to do and that this is going to be ok. I’m so ashamed of myself and devastated about what has happened. I loved him so much. So many nice days wasted, so much potential wasted because he can not communicate or listen. I’m not saying I’m perfect but I’ve tried everything and I just live in fear of his moods.

OP posts:
Kittykat93 · 03/06/2019 13:17

Your poor daughter. If you don't have enough self esteem to leave for your benefit, please leave for her. She doesn't deserve to be shouted at and to live in an atmosphere where her parents are arguing, crying and shouting.

PancakesAndMapleSyrup · 03/06/2019 13:29

This behaviour is coercive and controlling which are actually now seen as crimes by the police. Do you have anywhere you can go if you do leave immediately with your daughters?

I would suggest you need to plan your departure. Who is paying for the wedding? Are you both financially responsible? Who signed for all the payments on the paperwork. By this I'm trying to understand if you are actually liable for this 6k or not? As that could affect your decision of when to leave. Are you responsible for paying the rent where you are now? Is it In joint names? Start having a look about new rentals and how much this is likely to cost you. Keep on trying to ring women's aid and refuge. Can you speak to your areas police community safety unit( they tend to be the DV department for some advice etc)

Mycatatetherat · 03/06/2019 13:31

Imagine how your dd will feel, in the future when she's old enough to reflect, when she realises you put her before this man and did the incredibly difficult and expensive thing of cancelling your wedding. She will feel important, prioritised and loved beyond belief. She will also see how brave and strong you were.
You already know you are going to leave, gather all your strength and resources and do it.
My mum did the opposite. You can guess how I feel and how our relationship has suffered as a result.

abrown113 · 03/06/2019 13:38

I feel for you so much, it's must be such a difficult situation to be in. The best thing you could do is leave him. Things will only get worse once you are married and it will be much more difficult to leave then. Not only is it unfair on yourself to be with such a selfish man but it's unfair on your daughter too, she doesn't deserve it either. If you feel mentally abused by him, you can contact your Local Council and ask for some help. They have a duty to offer you some help with Housing. They can help you find a new property, set you up for Universal Credit and they will support you through this transition. Some councils offer a rent deposit scheme where they will assess you financially and can pay for your deposit for a new property. Get some help & some support, you don't need to do this on your own. Just remember, you and DD don't deserve to be stuck with this, get out whilst you still have a choice! Xx

Lozzerbmc · 03/06/2019 14:13

Im sorry you are in this situation but you must cancel the wedding and leave asap. If you go ahead all this will make you ill then HE will look after your daughter as he’ll be your husband and you dont want that. Your DD is learning relationships are stressful and unhappy - do you want her to repeat your mistakes? Please get your family onboard they will want to help you if they know you are serious. The £6k may not be payable check it out. Wishing you the best - DO It for your girl Flowers

motherofcats81 · 03/06/2019 14:51

He sounds very like my ex OP, and I felt very similar to you in the run up to our wedding. I kept going for similar reasons to the ones you listed, even when he finally hit me two days before the wedding.

I left two months later, after finally breaking down and confiding the full story to my family (they knew some of it, and were concerned about me marrying him but I defended him). Yes I am in debt now, from the wedding that I paid for almost in the entirety and from sinking into debt as a result of his financial abuse (he could be extremely generous sometimes, but otherwise screwed me over financially and was very controlling). And it will take me a bit to pay off (I put it on interest free money transfer credit cards to make it more manageable). But honestly, being free of him is worth every penny (and the costs will only mount up further if you have to divorce, so cut your losses!)

Thanks for you

SavingSpaces2019 · 03/06/2019 14:54

Unless you've already paid the £6k in advance and won't get it back - i'd just cancel the wedding and wait to be invoiced for the cancxellation fees.
Then i'd send him an invoice for half the amount.
You wouldn't have to cancel the wedding if he wasn't such a nasty, abusive dickhead.

Use your money to get a new place for you and dd.
They can chase you for the debt - which there are ways of paying off in either installments or a reduced amount.

In your shoes, i'd cancel but not pay a penny until i had my own place - and even then i'd only pay what i thought was fair.

Hp737 · 03/06/2019 15:05

I keep coming back to : if I wasn’t so emotional. If I didn’t get so upset by his moods. If I didn’t disagree with how he interacted with dd. If I was more resilient, assertive, it wouldn’t make him so frustrated.
He tells me that HE is the one who is walking on eggshells, he is the one who is being criticised, I am the one who is controlling. If it’s true then I feel devastated and guilty. But I am the one walking round feeling panicked, guilty, sad. I’m the one trying to keep the atmosphere light on our days out, trying to juggle both him and dd. I found myself just crying “I love you both, I just want everyone to be happy, it breaks my heart when we have days like that” just so desperate to get though to him and he didn’t get it at all. The day was MY fault because I didn’t try and win him back round while we were out (I was too busy trying to keep dd happy and not entertain the sulking)
I really do feel pathetic. I did speak to Samaritans for a long time at lunch and the kind lady on there did help me talk through it all. I jsut want to believe that its all a big misunderstanding or something I can fix and it’s becoming clear that it isn’t. I want to run away with dd, tonight. That’s all I know. I want out.

OP posts:
Nicolastuffedone · 03/06/2019 15:08

Please do not inflict this person on your poor, innocent child. Please, I’m begging you, don’t do it to her

IvanaPee · 03/06/2019 15:11

Even if it was true that you’re controlling and abusive, that still means that you shouldn’t be together.

You’re doing your dd a disservice by putting her happiness, security, and well-being on the same par as a grown man’s.

SHE should be the priority. Absolutely no questions.

You need to get out.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 03/06/2019 15:15

I want to run away with dd, tonight. That’s all I know. I want out.

Do it.

Take your girl and get her out of this toxic environment.

Nothing you ever do will be enough to satisfy him. Nothing you say will convince him that he's the abuser here. There is nothing to fix. Please get yourselves out and somewhere safe.

Mycatatetherat · 03/06/2019 15:16

But she's YOUR daughter. Why isn't he moderating his behaviour and step-parenting to suit you and her? How dare he sulk like a baby and then blame you for not backing him up - HE should be backing YOUR parenting up.
You are very clearly not the controlling one.

PurpleWithRed · 03/06/2019 15:17

Big hug and handhold from me, you are making a great start by gathering support. Breaking yourself and your daughter free is going to be a bit like childbirth - painful and messy but relatively short and so so so worth all the trouble.

Many of us have been in your shoes, and we are all standing on the other side of the finishing line rooting for you. Flowers

Flyingmonkey1 · 03/06/2019 15:37

Op- really sorry for what you are going through Flowers.

Your dp reminds me of a boyfriend I had about 16 years ago. He was also moody, sulky, threatening to leave any time he didn’t like something I said or did, nothing was good enough, I was not good enough no matter what I did. Also slagging me off in front of our friends or in public. I loved him dearly until I realised there was no way I’d ever be happy with him. So I planned my escape and left him and never looked back. He was begging me to return but I never went back or regretted it. It was a lucky escape and my life changed for the better, even though it was extremely hard at first. I was very young and child free so a lot easier than for you for sure, but you and your dd deserve a lot better than being involved with an abusive man. It’s not going to get any better!

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 03/06/2019 15:41

Please do not inflict this person on your poor, innocent child. Please, I’m begging you, don’t do it to her

^ 100x this.

QueenOfTheCroneAge · 03/06/2019 15:45

The day was MY fault because I didn’t try and win him back round while we were out (I was too busy trying to keep dd happy and not entertain the sulking)

Can you see how ridiculous this is? He is clearly jealous of your child and feels he must be pandered to above the needs of a small child.

Please get out of this 'relationship' or you'll ruin both you your and your daughter's lives.

Lobsterquadrille2 · 03/06/2019 15:49

Hi OP, much of this sounds horribly familiar. In fact, I joined Mumsnet many years ago purely to ask a slightly similar question about going on holiday with my then partner. My DD and I had been on our own from when I was pregnant with her, my ex hadn't paid anything towards her or seen her and, like you, I was self sufficient and my standards of what I expected from men were shockingly low. I was (and am) also a recovering alcoholic, which I won't dwell on as it's irrelevant except that it gave him another stick to beat me with. It also meant that, although he was drunk every night, he could turn it around quite convincingly and blame me for forcing my issues on to him, that I was the one with the problem and that he chose to drink (every night to blackout) rather than needing to.

Everyone on Mumsnet said to run for the hills. I didn't. I kept on thinking that I was the one at fault, that I was damaged, if only I could be more worthy etc etc.

I didn't move in with him but did a lot of house hunting. I realised slowly how much he hated DD (who was older than yours - 12 when I met him) and he would always say "this can be DD's room" - as far away from us as possible.

He tried to isolate me from family and friends. He would drive home in the middle of the night if I moved my foot and it touched him. He would shout in restaurants and storm off. He once made me sleep in my car.

I did end it, finally. DD said afterwards that it was horribly painful seeing someone who was capable and independent turn into a complete wreck because of how this man treated me. She also said that she had googled the characteristics of a psychopath and was convinced that he was one, and that he would have ended up killing me.

I had absolutely no regrets other than the guilt of inflicting this man on DD, just sheer relief that it was over.

Please leave this man. Another job will come along; the money might not all need to be repaid. All the rest you can work out.

NabooThatsWho · 03/06/2019 15:53

OP he has messed with your head to the point that you believe his abusive behaviour is your fault. It’s not.
The person you are in a relationship with is giving you panic attacks. Can you see how far from normal that is? And he is choosing to do it because he is cruel and controlling and gets a kick out of seeing you upset and flustered.

Imagine your life without him. Calm, peaceful, happy, no walking on eggshells, lovely environment for you and your DD.

How are your finances set up? How soon can you leave?

NabooThatsWho · 03/06/2019 15:54

And also Flowers big hugs because you sound at the end of your tether.

Divinelyuninspired · 03/06/2019 15:57

You cannot live a life with this man. You cannot make your young child live with such a horrible stepfather.

Hp737 · 03/06/2019 18:24

I spoke to women’s aid for an hour on the phone after work. They were amazing. It was helpful to hear that they felt he sounded abusive but also that the abuse would likely escalate if we got married/had kids, and that he often starts the sulks or rows when people I love are or have been around (my dd, my family members etc). They said in no uncertain terms he is controlling and trying to manipulate me.
I feel stronger because both conversations I have had with external people today have confirmed what I feel and this thread has also made me focus on dd and think: I cannot marry him.
I can’t leave until Thursday. I have 2 job interviews in the next 2 days and I need to make sure dd and I get away when I leave so he doesn’t try and get hold of me. But that is ok. I’m going to assemble our things quietly and on Thursday we will leave the city. She isn’t in normal school yet so I can take her out.
I feel incredibly sad at moments but tbh he hasn’t dissuaded me from this path at all becausesince he got home he’s been sniping at me for being “quiet and weird” as if to start a row. The women’s aid lady said that if abusers want to start a row then they do: there’s little you can do about it; I know this isn’t me it’s him again trying to manipulate and start a row. I feel numb as opposed to stressed. I actually feel like I can and will get out.

OP posts:
Hp737 · 03/06/2019 18:26

To clarify my plan is to leave on Thursday when he’s at work, and sort for him to be out of the flat by the end of the weekend (my brother in law and brother can be there to ensure this happens without a fuss). No more conversations. I’ll return with dd on Sunday but we can stay at my sisters nearby if I don’t feel I can go home yet.
I really hope that plan works.

OP posts:
Cambionome · 03/06/2019 18:38

Well done op, well done. Flowers

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 03/06/2019 18:55

Your plan is great, OP, for two reasons:

  1. Putting distance between yourself and him asap
  2. No more conversations

It's going to be really difficult, though. He is going to do this stunning transformation into the man you want him to be, have some incredible revelation that he's behaved dreadfully, probably seem more upset than you ever thought possible. It will take all of your strength to see this as the manipulation it is.

Remember how he says he threatens to leave to get your attention? You'll see how much of his attention you get once you say you are leaving. You will have to compare it to the awful behaviour he usually reserves for you and get angry.

All while maintaining no contact.

And that means don't even read texts from him. Don't let people pass on messages from him.

You know you have to do this. And you know you can do this. You've been a great single mum before and you will be again.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 03/06/2019 18:57

once you say you are leaving

Once he realises you are leaving him, I mean.

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