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Dating thread 159 - Should I Stay or Should I Go Now

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DaffoDeffo · 15/05/2019 19:52

  1. The first rule about the dating thread is don't talk about it with people you're dating.
  2. Develop a thick skin.
  3. Do not invest emotionally too soon.
  4. It's all BS until it actually happens.
  5. Trust your gut instinct.
  6. People vanishing, lying & being generally weird is not your fault.
  7. You are the prize - they should be trying to impress you.
  8. If it's not fun, stop.
  9. Loo update is mandatory.
10. No dating the thread. 11. Do unto others as you would have them do to you.

And a reminder - you don't know them until you know them!

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Eesha · 22/05/2019 09:19

@Notcoolmum so I did flag it jokingly and he said he did like a drink but then made some joke where I couldn't tell either way so I've just asked again whether he joking. Hopefully i don't sound like a nut....

Notcoolmum · 22/05/2019 09:23

eesha helpful!!!! I wouldn't care if you sound like a nut or not. This is important to you so you shouldn't feel bad about being upfront with it and not wasting time on someone you know won't be right for you.

LilyRose88 · 22/05/2019 09:33

Eesha if he made a non-committal joke about his drinking I would take that to mean that there is a problem. I won't date anyone who puts more than 'social' in their drinking habits as I don't want to date someone that drinks every day, or to excess.

Crustaceans · 22/05/2019 09:40

Please remind me that it's a numbers game, one that you can win!

You definitely can win at this OLD game. It’s often frustrating and there is some element of chance in whether anything good comes up. But the game isn’t rigged against you. You just have to get through unknowable amounts of dross.

@Eesha It’s hard when you’ve experienced an alcoholic partner. I can totally understand your wariness there. But, the thing with categories is, you can’t easily tell his he’s interpreted them (until you’ve met him).

And, as others have said, he may well be a very different kind of drunk person than your ex. And, actually, the issue is likely to have been your ex’s personality (with or without the drink) rather than anything else. MrSG is silly, even soppy, when drunk mostly (at worst, he gets a bit needy). I’d never fear him coming home drunk, and he is happy to be teased about whatever silliness occurred (for example, his worrying that buying some cheap stuff for my bathroom was a sign that I was planning to put down roots without him the other night 😂). On the other hand, my (extremely uptight) ex barely drank (a weird control thing: he’d drink sometimes with others but never with me, and would moralise hideously if I drank with friends) but I walked around on eggshells and altered my behaviour to manage his moods for years. He’d have been an abusive arsehole whether he drank or not.

That said, figuring out if your lifestyles are compatible is part of the whole dating process. It may be that you just don’t want someone who goes to the pub most days because it doesn’t work with how you’d like your life to be. And that’s perfectly fine. But you can’t tell that unless you meet him.

On profile pics, I had makeup on in most of mine. Not a lot of makeup because I only really tend to wear some bb cream, mascara and lipstick the colour of my lips anyway. So they reflected what I look like generally. I don’t think I’m enormously photogenic really, so I had to hunt through loads of photos (and take loads of selfies) to try to find ones of me looking acceptable.

MrSG’s photos were also clearly a raid of his google photos over the past few years. Some of them were pretty old (although he still looks like that) and one of them made him look properly ginger (rather than slightly ginger). So I assumed he was trying to weed out anyone who’d object to gingery hair with that one. It’s weird though, as he is pretty photogenic. Much more than me. But he’s a bit under confident I think (something that was clearly not helped by having been cheated on by his ExW).

I do think snapchat filters should be banned on OLD though. What is the point of putting up photos of you with giant eyes and teddy bear ears?

CassettesAreCool · 22/05/2019 10:11

eesha I agree it may still be worth meeting your iron, if in other ways he appeals. What is acceptable drink-wise is a very personal issue and needs discussion and experience to gauge. Certainly, if his idea of fun is the pub every night and yours is not, it's an easy no early on. But if it's not that easy then remember it affects everyone differently, depending on their personality, which takes time to identify.

I never thought drink would be (one of) the reasons my XH and I split, as he did not drink regularly, unlike me, and was never even the slightest bit threatening when drunk. But when he went out with his idiot mates, he became totally and utterly irresponsible, completely forgetting his DW and family at home and the shit they were going through (long-term life-threatening illness of eldest DC). TG, no-one died, we came through that phase - but I absolutely could not respect him again, and I started to see his weakness and irresponsibility everywhere.

Sorry, TMI, but I suppose I'm saying don't necessarily be too quick to judge, but judge well re drink.

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 10:15

Really wonder how acceptable it is to match with a guy on tinder, but send him message saying "you are lovely, but your mate in the second picture - is he single"

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Eesha · 22/05/2019 10:17

@CassettesAreCool thank you for saying that. I have asked again whether earlier comment was a joke plus added it's a dealbreaker if not and that I didn't want to waste anyone's time. I do need to keep in mind not everyone is like my ex when drunk.

CassettesAreCool · 22/05/2019 10:19

Part of me thinks 'Go for it', lifegoes, part of me thinks I'd be pretty hurt if someone said that to me. A good reason not to include group shots in your profile though!

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 10:22

Haha I never ever would @CassettesAreCool that's not my style. Even though I keep looking at the hot guy in his group shot

Crustaceans · 22/05/2019 10:30

no-one died, we came through that phase

I’m glad that’s the case. I can see why you couldn’t respect your ex afterwards though.

I think I’d be really hurt to get that message too, @lifegoes. But, as @CassettesAreCool says, maybe he shouldn’t have included the group shot in the first place.

I’ve found myself slightly (and probably) unreasonably annoyed with MrSG this morning over some chocolate. I need to figure out whether it’s just me being ridiculous (and possibly slightly hormonal) or if it’s representative of an issue I’ll need to speak to him about. It’s definitely nothing major though.

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 10:35

I was actually joking and just trying to bring some humour into the thread. Hence the laughing emoji's 😉

I'm not a nasty person and wouldn't ever dream of saying that! I just found his friend extremely attractive

Crustaceans · 22/05/2019 10:40

I know you were. But, I was totally imagining someone (not you) actually sending that message on OLD. Sometimes people are really dreadful and don’t care that it’s hurtful.

But he shouldn’t have put up a photo of his better looking friend on his profile. That may be the moral of the story. 😂

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Notcoolmum · 22/05/2019 11:20

Ha ha lifegoes. I hate group photos. How are you supposed to know which one they are. Especially if they put up a few group pics 😂😂

AsleepAllDay · 22/05/2019 11:24

The issue is to see whether you're compatible. If he's a heavy drinker, then he probably isn't the one for you. If he keeps fobbing you off, then take it as him probably not being comfortable with disclosing how much he drinks and that it could well be a lot

Emojina · 22/05/2019 12:30

Sorry to hear so many have moved off the smitten bench... hope all affected will feel much better soon xx

Re alcohol - I agree with pp who said the early stages of OLD are finding out about compatibilities and attitude to alcohol is definitely for me a key one. I like the occasional drink, sometimes a few, but don’t want to be with someone who relies on it.

My update is that I had third date with Mr Persia. Oh my, he is a lovely man. He cooked for me (which means a lot as I am so over doing all the cooking for my children!!!) and then we had a lovely kiss. Just what I needed... seeing him again tomorrow. It feels a bit like a holiday romance, maybe because it’s summer and he’s got a cute accent and even if it’s just a short term thing is good for my soul.

One issue is that my DD refuses to stay at her dad’s. So I have to leave her at home. (Or she will come home once I’ve gone out and I don’t know till I’ve got home.) she is old enough to be left alone but I’d rather not if you know what I mean. Plus it does mean sleepovers are out of the question.

Anyone else had this issue and any advice?

HairyArsedMan · 22/05/2019 12:37

Oh dear I nearly wrote a long post about having an alcoholic parent and all the ramifications and it was far too serious and oversharing. Forgot the context ! But all I've seen is relationship destruction with booze, even with the so called happy drunks.

nocountryforoldwomen · 22/05/2019 13:00

Oof sorry to hear that hairyarsed. Like you, my DM was the child of two alcoholics and it is so tough Sad. You are right that booze can destroy relationships and lives, but I don't think it is inevitable: both my parents drank but not to excess, and they were incredibly happy for 58 years. It needs watching out for though, that's for sure.

BatshitCrazyWoman · 22/05/2019 13:22

Eesha only you can decide, if he actually gives you a straight answer. My exH is an alcoholic, and I barely drink. I would not go anywhere near anyone who had that in their profile. It's a hard boundary for me. I don't want to spend any time with someone who drinks a lot, quite regularly. I'm aware people might think I'm uptight (don't care, they haven't lived my life). I'm plenty of fun without alcohol 😉

CodLiverOil556 · 22/05/2019 13:27

My hard boundary is smoking, won't go near anyone who smokes even if they're gorgeous, lived 2 doors down from me and was a millionaire.

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 13:52

I get that @BatshitCrazyWoman I think it's vital that we all have our boundaries on any reason tbh. Nobody knows our lives and reasons but we do and that's enough.

@Eesha Don't feel guilty about asking questions that's are vital to how this could progress. If you don't, then you catch feelings, become invested and end up trying to "tolerate" which then ends up in you getting hurt. Always protect you.

So I've got two irons but Mr Horse has got in my nerves so I'm not really texting much. He just brags about who he knows and all the VIP things he gets and I dislike that in anyone. Have it by all means, be your life. But don't brag about it.

The second is Mr Tiler, really good fun to talk to, totally my type and conversation is so easy. But lives a 5 day camel ride away 😖😖

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 13:55

My hard line is footballers (sounds strange) or anyone in that profession - dated 3 and all have left me heartbroken and been very controlling and serial cheaters. I grew up in that profession and I should know better but in my 30's fell in that trap. Never again.

JeSuisPrest · 22/05/2019 14:06

I'm very oversensitive about heavy drinkers. Brought up with a stepfather who got verbally and physically abusive when drunk and it was my introduction to walking on eggshells around drunk men. Stbxh wasn't too bad but in the latter years of our marriage became a binge drinker and he was always a nasty drunk - nothing physical but some of the things he said to me will stay with me forever.

Saying that, I'm conscious that these are just 2 men in my life that have given me the impression that men + drink is a bad thing to be avoided. I've never seen Mr Cornish pissed, but he can certainly put the beer away over an afternoon and evening if we've nothing else planned, but he's also happy just sharing a couple of bottles of wine. I don't want to police someone else's drinking habits, unless he does something that offends me/upsets me/scares me then I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. He certainly seems to know his limits (apart from our first date...) and he gets Brewer's Droop if he drinks too much, so he's got a reason not to get hammered.

Regarding makeup - I wear it every day and so I'm wearing it in my profile pics. To me it would be disingenuous to show me not wearing makeup, though I like to think it doesn't make me look like a different person, just a way of improving what's already there. Of course Mr C has seen me at my worst in the mornings, but he doesn't seem bothered - quite frankly, once you've sat around with tissues literally shoved up your snotty nostrils and are wearing his boxers because you've bled onto the only clean pants you've brought, a bit a lippy is neither here nor there.

So we spoke this morning on the phone and I mentioned something along the lines of "I've never been out with someone who..." then I said "Actually, I'm not sure if we are going out, we've not put a label on what we are, have we?" I said I hoped we were more than FWB which he agreed we absolutely were and he said he'd actually call us "an item". So that's that then - I'm part of an item Grin.

I am very proud of myself today - the lady he went dog walking at the beach with last Monday (when I had my epic meltdown, impressive even by my standards) was at his house last night with her (apparently) stbxh. The usual me would have made some bitchy passive aggressive comment, but I said nothing at all about it - told him I was doing some baking and for him to call me later if he was free - bright 'n' breezy - nothing to see here, I'm completely cool as a cucumber with it. Back in my kitchen I'm making protein bars like a demented woman to keep from thinking about it and yes, I still got the feelings I usually get, but I used some techniques to rationalise it and see it for what it really was - MrC catching up with his best friend after not seeing him for a couple of weeks - of course, why the GF needed to tag along is another matter, but if things don't work out with MrC it will not be because of my irrational jealousy - well I need to keep repeating that to myself at least...

We'll be spending the whole BH weekend together, and I can't wait. He properly makes me feel the warm fuzzies when we're together and when we're apart. The tortoise is still AWOL unfortunately.

supercali77 · 22/05/2019 14:08

@lifegoes good job being back on the apps and diving in!

After his 'You don't kiss like you mean it' text we talked on the phone. There's a mutally agreed upon issue with emotional connection. We've got the other 2 in spades (Intellectual & sexual). But that bit is AWOL. Neither of us managed to actually bring the sword down, I should have but I was due to pick DD up and we only managed to go over the basics of what was going wrong. He's said he'll call tonight.....I don't know if he will or not but that's when it needs to happen because this is pulling the band aid off at slow speed. Either way i've deleted every trace of him from my phone so I won't be tempted to reach out for 'closure' if he doesn't call (I'm a sucker for it). I can just call it done, drink some wine and fire up the ol profile

lifegoes · 22/05/2019 14:14

YES!!! @JeSuisPrest you are an item and I'm so pleased you have overcome your, hummmm let's call it "moment" and are better about it. Handled it really well xx

@supercali77 I'm still not happy with that comment by him. I most certainly hope he isn't just calling to tell you where it's going wrong and picking on things about what you are doing?!

I think only you know what's right for you and the best way to handle it. Personally I'd be long gone. 🏃🏼‍♀️

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