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Is moving in together supposed to be this complicated?

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wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 10:58

I’ve reached a bit of an impasse with my DP and could really use some advice on what to do next please.

We’ve been together for 3 and a half years, taken things really slow as both of us are divorced and we have three kids between us (ages 6-10). Time spent together has increased naturally to the point where we spend almost every night at his place or mine both with and without kids. We’ve discussed the future, and although neither of us wants more children or to get married, we would like to live together.

He owns his flat outright, I own mine with a mortgage. Neither of our homes are big enough to house all of us together. He has never rented and doesn’t want to so we’ve been looking for a place to buy.

But here is the tricky bit. In order to finance the kind of house we need (i.e. each kid having their own bedroom) we will have to sell one of our properties. We’re in a position to keep one, and have agreed that should things go wrong at least one of us will be able to move out into the other property. However, which property we sell is the tough bit. Mine is my only asset, it’s solely in my name, I was lucky to be able to buy it and having had to move so many times in the fallout of my divorce I’m reluctant to sell up. Although admittedly I don’t have the cashflow to be an effective landlord if we kept mine. As for his place, the financial order he has with his ex-wife has a ‘clause’ in it that states that should he stop paying the mortgage on the family home, his place would then belong to her. If he sells his place and buys another home, this clause is automatically transferred, and having his ex-wife’s name on a property I would be living in makes me nervous (she can be very difficult).

We’ve agreed that we’ll draw up a legal agreement so that our assets are protected should we split and should one of us die, our respective children will get the share. However this does leave me nervous about where I would end up if this happens – if we split or he dies I would have to move again and if I don’t have my current property to fall back on, I’ll be back in the same situation I was in when I got divorced.

At the same time, finances are not going to change for either of us for a long time, so even if we leave it for now we will be in same position in a year, or two, or four… and although I’m not in a rush, packing a bag etc for every visit is getting tiresome. He's also stressing as he really wants to give his kids their own rooms (at the moment they share at his). And the cynical part of me worries that his main driving force for moving is that, and not because he actually really wants to live together. If we can’t work something out it’s leaving me wondering if we really have a future.

I hope this makes sense, could use some thoughts if anybody has any!

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 05/04/2019 11:06

Would it really be impossible to rent out both flats and to buy somewhere together?

CandidaAlbicans · 05/04/2019 11:15

Letting both out and either buying or renting together is what I'd go for. It means you both start on an equal footing and with the added bonus of it being neutral territory.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 11:15

Thanks HollowTalk, we need the money from one of the properties to be a deposit so we have to sell one.

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ittakes2 · 05/04/2019 11:20

You can do what most property investors do - take out a mortgage on his or increase your mortgage to pull the deposit out to buy - effectively keeping and renting both.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 11:26

I'd have to see about that one...I remortgaged last year so it may not be possible. I will ask my broker though Smile.

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MsPavlichenko · 05/04/2019 11:31

Do you need to move in together? I say that as someone who has had a very happy living apart relationship for years.

LemonTT · 05/04/2019 11:40

So basically he does not currently own his property outright, it is owned by his ex wife to some extent. Basically it is not an asset. I am sure she also has some say over the decision that you live together because in her situation I would want the equity and commitment released if he bought with you.

Financially renting out properties isn’t worth it these days as there are lots of tax implications. Including capital gains tax when you come to sell and additional stamp duty. Never mind the risk of having to deal with voids or tenants who default.

To be frank your partner seems to want a bigger house and you seem to be the solution to his problem. You seem to have doubts about commitment to be living together partnership otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to hold onto a very expensive safety net. Most people cannot afford a backup home in case their relationship fails and are able to deal with it.

RhubarbTea · 05/04/2019 11:49

To be frank your partner seems to want a bigger house and you seem to be the solution to his problem. You seem to have doubts about commitment to be living together partnership otherwise you wouldn’t be trying to hold onto a very expensive safety net.

This, this, this. I wouldn't be moving in together just yet. You are right to feel uneasy, I think.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 11:53

It's a real ballache MsPavlichenko having to pack stuff up to go to his without forgetting things is pretty annoying, plus both places get pretty crowded with 5 of us.

I don't think the ex wife has a say in us moving in together LemonTT as long as he keeps his flat. I was in an abusive marriage for years for now I'm naturally really cautious, the fallout from my divorce was pretty horrific. I agree with you though, I do have doubts. He could afford a place without me though if he sold his flat.

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TipseyTorvey · 05/04/2019 11:57

The only sensible solution is to rent a bigger house together. I know he doesn't 'want' to but I don't see why you should lose your financial independence and stability because he doesn't 'want to rent'. Renting without owning any property would be foolhardy but since you do have it as back up this would solve your problem plus give you a couple of years to make sure you and your kids are compatible without the financial fall out should it not work out.

Bookworm4 · 05/04/2019 11:57

How often do his kids stay with him? Boys/girls? If they are only young I'm sure they can share. Keep your own house.

LemonTT · 05/04/2019 12:01

OP you need to find out what the agreement is with his ex wife. By the sounds of it there is some type of Mesher Order. This means he does not own his property in his own right. He owns it jointly with her and at some point he needs to give her a lump sum. A growing lump sum.

If so he can’t afford a place in his own right otherwise he would have bought her out.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 12:02

His kids are 10 and 8 (both girls) and they visit every other weekend.

TBH renting would work for me but there's no way he would go with it, I've already suggested it.

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StormTreader · 05/04/2019 12:03

Rent both your places out, rent a bigger place for you both, see how it goes.
Living together is very different from visiting every night, and the first few years should help you shake out whether you need to hold onto a safety net or not.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 12:05

I'm not sure LemonTT. The clause exists as long as he pays her mortgage off before the youngest kid is 18. If he hasn't paid it off by then the flat becomes hers. But I believe the flat is in his name only.

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NWQM · 05/04/2019 12:11

You would obviously be well to take legal and financial advice but if theory.....

Could he take out a buy to let mortgage on his flat and pay off the other mortgage releasing it as an asset long term?

You sell to create the deposit if the above doesn't.

Both flat and new properties in both names but with legal agreement as to percentage 'owned'?

I'm saying all this to get rid of the other mortgage.

In reality unless one of you can afford the new house on your own then neither of you have bolt hold if it all goes wrong without selling your family home.

Does the flat not cover the mortgage he owes?

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 12:15

The flat won't cover the mortgage owed NWQM. Good point though!

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IfNotNowThenWhy · 05/04/2019 12:17

He can't have it all on his terms.
Renting a bigger place together is the only sensible solution.
Don't do anything permanent yet. Living with a man plus kids who are not the both of yours is VERY different to living together as a couple with shared kids.
Keep your asset under all circumstances.
And there's no real reason 2 girls aged 8 and 10 can't share a room! Half the kids in the UK probably share full time!

Grisaille · 05/04/2019 12:18

This has disaster written all over it, OP. What he wants is in his interests, not yours. I would have said that packing a bag and forgetting things when moving between his place and yours were minor issues compared to losing your only asset.

category12 · 05/04/2019 12:29

If he's not prepared to rent, then I'd just give up the idea. His attitude of simply ruling it out would be massively off-putting to me. His way or the highway? Highway every time.

He doesn't have his home free and clear, his ex is entwined with it, so it is irrelevant about him being alone on the deeds. You'd be taking a huge risk and I don't think you should.

BerrowHarm · 05/04/2019 12:34

The fact that he lives in his marital home, but children only there every other weekend, and he wants you to sell your only asset, to buy a bigger property with him tells you something about his character. He likes to look after number 1 foremost.

What would happen if you sold up and bought a bigger property together, would he keep living there and you would have to move out?

I would keep things as they are.

m00rfarm · 05/04/2019 12:34

Renting is your only option in my view. Otherwise you will lose out. And renting will not be lost money, as you will both be able to rent your existing properties so nothing really changes in a monetary sense.

Jumbo2000 · 05/04/2019 12:37

Don’t move in with him.
Should things go tits up the only loser would be you!
Not worth the risk.

wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 12:39

He doesn’t live in the marital home BerrowHam, his ex wife does he just pays the mortgage. Sorry that wasn’t clear. I think if he bought a bigger property and split I would have to move as I wouldn’t be able to afford it on my own. But he would have to buy me out.

I’m listening to the points about renting and tbh I need to hear this. I’m holding back and although I can attribute some of that to my previous relationship experience, something else that I couldn’t put my finger on is at play here, so it’s good to be getting these comments.

I need to have a frank chat with him I think.

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Hearhere · 05/04/2019 12:42

His ex has a hold over him via his property, if you hitch your wagon to his her hold will extend to you as well
you have said that she is difficult so she would probably welcome an opportunity to extend her power and control