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Is moving in together supposed to be this complicated?

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wellaloevera · 05/04/2019 10:58

I’ve reached a bit of an impasse with my DP and could really use some advice on what to do next please.

We’ve been together for 3 and a half years, taken things really slow as both of us are divorced and we have three kids between us (ages 6-10). Time spent together has increased naturally to the point where we spend almost every night at his place or mine both with and without kids. We’ve discussed the future, and although neither of us wants more children or to get married, we would like to live together.

He owns his flat outright, I own mine with a mortgage. Neither of our homes are big enough to house all of us together. He has never rented and doesn’t want to so we’ve been looking for a place to buy.

But here is the tricky bit. In order to finance the kind of house we need (i.e. each kid having their own bedroom) we will have to sell one of our properties. We’re in a position to keep one, and have agreed that should things go wrong at least one of us will be able to move out into the other property. However, which property we sell is the tough bit. Mine is my only asset, it’s solely in my name, I was lucky to be able to buy it and having had to move so many times in the fallout of my divorce I’m reluctant to sell up. Although admittedly I don’t have the cashflow to be an effective landlord if we kept mine. As for his place, the financial order he has with his ex-wife has a ‘clause’ in it that states that should he stop paying the mortgage on the family home, his place would then belong to her. If he sells his place and buys another home, this clause is automatically transferred, and having his ex-wife’s name on a property I would be living in makes me nervous (she can be very difficult).

We’ve agreed that we’ll draw up a legal agreement so that our assets are protected should we split and should one of us die, our respective children will get the share. However this does leave me nervous about where I would end up if this happens – if we split or he dies I would have to move again and if I don’t have my current property to fall back on, I’ll be back in the same situation I was in when I got divorced.

At the same time, finances are not going to change for either of us for a long time, so even if we leave it for now we will be in same position in a year, or two, or four… and although I’m not in a rush, packing a bag etc for every visit is getting tiresome. He's also stressing as he really wants to give his kids their own rooms (at the moment they share at his). And the cynical part of me worries that his main driving force for moving is that, and not because he actually really wants to live together. If we can’t work something out it’s leaving me wondering if we really have a future.

I hope this makes sense, could use some thoughts if anybody has any!

OP posts:
wellaloevera · 07/05/2019 16:07

Don't get me wrong Ninkaninus I would never be one of 'those' new partners who wants to see the children do badly out of it. I just feel that the current setup doesn't allow him to move on with his life aswell as providing for them (unless I sell my place). He seems happy for his life to take a backseat while making sure they're brought up with everything they need, so in many ways it's good to know this is how he sees his life to be.

Innernutshell I can see he won't really be happy with just buying alone but his need is greater than mine so I think I will just sit back.

MsPav, there isn't enough space communally at his, that's part of the problem. But I agree time will go quickly in the meantime.

OP posts:
Ninkaninus · 07/05/2019 16:14

I honestly think you’re better off not living together. Blending families is bloody hard work at the best of times, and you’ve established that he’s expecting you to give up your financial security whilst not being willing to do the same thing himself.

I live between mine and my OH’s and I totally understand the tedium of having to pack a bag and never having all your stuff in one place, (I actually don’t pack a bag anymore, I just leave some of my things at his permanently) but at the same time it means neither of us has had to compromise too much, and now that I have got adult children I can stay over at his most of the time anyway, so we’ve managed it without everything becoming so complicated.

AginNAgin · 07/05/2019 16:19

Ye, let him buy a bigger place and hold onto your own place. You would be taking a massive risk with what he's proposed.

NameChangeNugget · 07/05/2019 16:26

I wouldn’t bother moving in together. You both should protect your assets

ElloBrian · 07/05/2019 20:04

He wants what he wants and he expects you to fall into line. Red flag OP. I wouldn’t be moving in with him any time soon. As for the inconvenience of packing a bag for weekends at his, why not just leave stuff at his place?

BBBear · 07/05/2019 20:22

It's very noble that the wants to continue supporting his children, but it looks like he expects to do that at the expense of you and your child.

bamboofibre · 07/05/2019 20:53

All too often, couples try to blend their families to suit their own needs most of all - it's a 'ballache' to pack to go to each other's, distances, not having the same weekends as the ex, etc. - and don't put the kids' needs no. 1. He's doing that, but at your expense, and this is why you have, and should have, BIG doubts and put it off entirely because it would be seriously foolish to sell the only asset you have after all you've been through to enable you two to live together.

Your kids deserve the security of the family house you all have together.

There's nothing that could convince me to sell my house to leap in with someone who's not even willing to try out even renting together first.

It's a no brainer. 'I'm not in a position to make this sort of commitment just now and would like to carry on as we are enjoying each other's company.'

glitterfarts · 07/05/2019 23:19

If the charge follows him - what happens if you buy together and then he loses his job or is made redundant?

Are you then liable for paying the ex's mortgage?
Or she could take YOUR home?

I don't think buying together is a good idea at all. He isn't free to do so.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 08/05/2019 01:05

From this proposed arrangement, he in the short term would gain:
- extra living space he desperately needed
- 50% stake in a house without having to raise a deposit
- a Buy to Let investment

This.

Your conversation with him is VERY telling...
He won’t revisit the settlement, he must keep his flat, his daughters MUST have their own rooms for their fortnightly weekends Confused
His priority is not you unfortunately.

Absolutely do not give up your flat.
Honestly, I’d also stop going round to his
His daughters are there once a fortnight so barely at all on top of that he can’t even be bothered to clear a drawer or two inches of wardrobe space for you - honestly WTAF?
No flat is that small

AgentJohnson · 08/05/2019 03:29

Essentially he sees his financial responsibilities as his children and the mother of his children, not you or your children.

You are not on the same page because it sounds like he doesn’t want to make any financial comments to you or your children.

Your expectations are different and you really should have had a conversation about your expectations earlier. Talk of moving together has just exposed your difference in expectations.

PastaOfMuppets · 08/05/2019 04:15

OP, just agree that it's better that he buys a larger house, then you can keep your place and his place won't be so crowded when you're there too. His ex won't marry until his spousal support ends, she'd be mad to and clearly she knows she got a good deal here.

tabulahrasa · 08/05/2019 09:32

Um... if he has no deposit and half his wage is already spoken for...

How would you have bought a house together? It’d be yours, surely?...

Missingstreetlife · 08/05/2019 14:48

Just remember men can seem very selfish because they look at what's good for them. They assume you do the same.
Some women get bamboozled because they assume everyone looks at the best for everyone, as they do.
Be more boy in this situation, you'll get on better. Protect yourself. If making wills look at putting property in trust and allowing partner to have use until death, don't rush into anything.

smurfette1818 · 09/05/2019 21:18

*Um... if he has no deposit and half his wage is already spoken for...

How would you have bought a house together? It’d be yours, surely?...*

This.

OP we do not know your man but some points to consider based on what you've told us so far:

  1. It looks like that he has a knack dressing something negative and disguise it as something else. Before you posted here, you did not see him as someone who essentially worth less than zero. Until LemonTT pointed it out, you saw him as a high earner, owns a flat outright. Even though in reality, you are in a better position than him (your house may be mortgaged but the debt is not in excess of the value of your house and you can at anytime sell your house)

I may be cynical but when he said all divorced men should do this, I'd take that as an attempt to mask the fact that his finance isn't great by saying how wonderful and responsible he is. Do you honestly think if his ex said tomorrow he can stop making payments, he would continue paying because he believes all divorced men should do this?

  1. Before the recent discussion, there is a tiny chance that he was just being thoughtless and it 'slipped his mind' to consider your interest in this whole arrangement. I agree with Horsemenoftheaclopalypse that his reaction revealed his real personality.

  2. Most importantly, I think you might want to ask yourself, what makes you love him (I got an impression you might love him more than he loves you?). What are his best traits? is it kindness & honesty? does he treat you well? or you attracted to his decisiveness? or was it because he is articulate, charming and persuasive?

wellaloevera · 11/05/2019 11:27

I just wrote a big reply and website somehow swallowed it! So i'll summarise. And thank you all for responding., and to answer some of smurfettes points:

  1. You're right I didn't notice this until LemonTT pointed it out. I hadn't really considered that I might be the one in a stronger position financially but I think I do now. He certainly prides himself on being responsible for his kids, and he loves them so much and wants to provide for them. So I'm pretty sure he wouldn't stop payments for them if his ex told him to. The fact he pays a lot more than the minimum CMS for them (ignoring the spousal on top) tells me that. He wants opportunities for them which is fine.
  2. Agreed.
  3. I've never really considered that I may love him more than he loves me, and the thought that may be true makes me sad. Sad He is lovely and kind in ways my husband never was, we get along great and have loads in common. He is articulate, as am I. And he's charming and persuasive of people, which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing?

For what its worth, he's still sending me houses to look at online despite my saying I wanted to think on it. Which I'm sure is registering as a red flag.

OP posts:
spongedog · 11/05/2019 11:59

I wouldnt rush to move in with him.

bamboofibre's post is a really good idea. 'I'm not in a position to make this sort of commitment just now and would like to carry on as we are enjoying each other's company.' I think his long-term reaction to this will be interesting.

Cottonwoolmouth · 11/05/2019 12:11

What ever you do don’t sell your home.

He isn’t as commuter to you. You feel this

IncrediblySadToo · 11/05/2019 12:22

Do NOT sell your place.

Since your divorce you have done really well and got yourself to a place where your home is safe and no one can give you notice (bar not paying the mortgage). In the nicest possible way, you’d be an idiot to risk losing that.

He is choosing to pay his Ex Wife a lot of money so that she gets to keep the family home and not have to work herself. She certainly had a good lawyer. I am ALL for paying more than CMS and ensuring the CHILDREN don’t go without, I’m in support of the resident parent getting a ‘good deal’, absolutely. But spousal maintainance so she doesn’t have to work when she has children, the mortgage paid and is going over the top of CMS is a piss take.

If HE wants to pander to his ex wife who cheated on him, that’s his call, but I wouldn’t be in a relationship with a bloke whose priority is his ex wife. This is about HER, not the children.

He is willing to put YOUR security and financial stability at risk to pander to his ex wife.

He’s not prepared to compromise or change anything in his life and just expects you to do what he wants.

I think he’s less of a good man than you perceive him to be. Clearly he’s not as abusive as your ex, but that doesn’t mean he’s a good choice of partner.

I know it’s hard when you fall in love with someone and take it slowly, then the kids meet and get on etc. I’m sure separating from him and his kids would be hard for you and yours, but you have to look at the bigger picture and frankly I don’t like what I see. Sorry 🌷

babbi · 11/05/2019 12:38

Don’t sell your property whatever you do .
Protect it above all .
It is ultimately for you and your DC ...
have a relationship, enjoy the company but maintain your assets ,
It’s so important in a second relationship to think a bit more pragmatically re finance as you have DC to be responsible for .
Don’t feel bad about that - it’s wise .

I am a single parent and have a home that is almost paid off - worked my butt off to do this .
It is very unlikely that anyone I meet would have the same assets to combine ...
I have to be mindful of this for my DD sake ...
I scrimp and scrape and follow the budget route in everything ( mark down foods in supermarkets etc ) despite having a very well paid job ..

Not because I am tight at all but I am trying to ensure that my DD has a secure future and I can always provide for her ..

Any decent prospective partner should understand this ... if they don’t then it would be a red flag and bye bye from me .

Good luck and well done for getting yourself to this position... if can be such a struggle post divorce ...

category12 · 11/05/2019 12:41

Charming and persuasive are great, but obviously he's been over-selling his position considering you felt you were the one at a financial disadvantage. It's a problem when you get swept along with something that isn't in your best interests.

And yes, continuing to send you houses to look at is pushing his own agenda and not actually giving you space you've asked for.

InvisibleHamster · 11/05/2019 13:11

I wouldn't buy a house with anyone if it meant their ex had a right to it. Life changes all the time. He could get hurt or ill or have an affair. You don't want your home caught up in all that. He needs to keep that flat, which means he can't bring anything to a joint house.

Lunde · 11/05/2019 13:35

Do NOT buy a house together - stay as you are. His financial situation sounds messy and his priority is his exw. He wants you to take the risks to give up your security while he is offering little in return.

Lunde · 11/05/2019 13:53

@wellaloevera - For what its worth, he's still sending me houses to look at online despite my saying I wanted to think on it. Which I'm sure is registering as a red flag.

I would definitely take this as a red flag. He is not listening to you at all. He is focussing on what his own wants and not your security. Instead of seeing your perspective he is trying to bulldoze through your justified reservations.

If he wants a bigger place - which I agree seems to be fueling this rush to move - then he needs to sort that for himself or return to court to modify this weird clause in the divorce. However his insistence on rushing ahead while protecting his ex gives me the impression that he is primarily focussed on your assets while not listening to you as an equal relationship partner.

I would be inclined to tell him that a joint move is off the table for the foreseeable future.

BumbleBeee69 · 11/05/2019 14:09

I wouldn't even consider buying with this man on these terms OP. Keep your own property always. Flowers

OrdinarySnowflake · 11/05/2019 14:13

You've had some good advise on here. I would say if he wants to buy a bigger place and live together, you are open to that, but you think the best option is for him to buy somewhere, you pay rent to him and rent out your house to cover the mortgage. You wont put the deposit in, you wont own any of the new house, but you keep your own security as you keep your own home.

If he cant afford it without your wage being taken into consideration and your house equity, then he cant afford it.

The default position for you must be that you wont be selling your home, you'll either be living in it or renting it out, but not releasing any equity towards his house purchase. A joint purchase has to wait 10 years or until hes cleared the debt of the old house mortgage.

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