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He’s telling me loud and clear, isn’t he?

99 replies

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 08:30

Over a week ago, DH and I had - what I thought was - a pivotal, ‘shit really needs to change to save our marriage’ type conversation.
We agreed things needed to change in order for our marriage to stand a chance of survival, and straight after the chat, I felt (probably naively) quietly confident that I’d been heard and understood and the ball would get rolling regarding the things that had been mentioned.

One of the things was date nights. DH and I each have a small amount of ‘left over’ money after bills, food etc have been taken care of. DH went to a gig this month and spent a lot of money whilst he was out, that’s fine, I somewhat expected that. During our chat, I asked him if he had any money left to which he said ‘yes’. Great, I thought, he still has some money, and now that I’ve expressed the real importance of us having date days/nights he’ll put a small amount of it away for us to do something in a few weeks time, so that we can reconnect and have some fun. He got in from work the other day, and I noticed he’d bought himself something. When I asked if he had any money left after his purchase, he said no. So instead of thinking ‘I have this spare bit of cash which I could save for me and DW to use because she wants me to take her out and spend time with me after our conversation’, he instead chose to spend it on himself and now has no money for us to do anything until his next payday. I bit my lip, and I didn’t say anything else though I was obviously frustrated that once again, him buying something for himself took priority over us having money to do something together as we’ve had around 2-3 date days in the last two and a half years.

The second thing was therapy. DH has recently finished up 6 sessions of therapy to help combat his severe stonewalling which has been detrimental to our marriage in so many ways, but it’s evident the therapy hasn’t helped one iota, so I said to DH that he really needs more help and he agreed. He’s adamant he wants to learn to cope better with situations and conversations, and even said that his therapist had told him to contact her immediately if he felt he needed more sessions and she’d book him in for another 6 sessions if he wanted them. I mentioned that it was also a good idea for us to try couples therapy, and he should look for couples counsellors in our area.
This was all over a week ago. Last night I asked DH if he’d text his old therapist, or made a shortlist of couples therapists for us to look at, to which he said ‘no, he hasn’t had time’. I of course asked him how on earth he hasn’t had the time to spend 15 minutes on google or 20 seconds sending a text to his therapist, and he had nothing to say, just completely blanked me and kept looking at his phone (something I’m very used to but gets my blood boiling every single time he does it). I said that if I was in his shoes, I would’ve sorted this stuff out ASAP, but yet every single night that he gets in from work, he spends hours upon hours on Reddit, so yknow, priorities, right? He got up, angrily snarled ‘whatever, I’m going to bed’ (this was at about half 7....) and off he went.

Am I being unreasonable to think he would’ve had a few minutes in the last week to contact his therapist? Is it so crazy to think he should’ve been looking at couples counsellors for us after he said he would, has clearly had the time and it is crucial for us to see someone given our ‘this is make or break’ conversation.

His reaction last night combined with the lack of effort shown in the last week alone makes me feel like he’s just screaming that nothing is actually going to change and perhaps, I’m the one that’s asking for too much? That doing all we can to save our marriage comes second to browsing pointless memes on a phone all night or spending money on stupid shit that could be better used for a meal for us to enjoy together alone one evening.

I’m so tired of being the only one fighting for this marriage and acknowledging that we need serious help and commitment if we stand a chance of getting through our problems and coming out the other side a much stronger couple.

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AuntieCJ · 08/03/2019 08:32

I don't understand why you want to save this marriage to this awful man.

Singlenotsingle · 08/03/2019 08:40

So where do you come in the grand scheme of things? It looks like DH puts himself first, last and at all points in between. It's cards on the table time - he doesn't care, he's not bothered and you need someone who will put you first occasionally.

hammeringinmyhead · 08/03/2019 08:43

I think you're onto a loser with this one, I'm afraid. It seems he thought having the conversation was enough to placate you and that he could skip the actions that came out of it. Flowers

Crowdo · 08/03/2019 08:52

He thinks you'll never leave him.

ShatnersWig · 08/03/2019 08:57

And there'll be no money for date nights if he's paying to see a therapist either.

Think this one is over, OP.

AnyFucker · 08/03/2019 08:59

You are flogging a dead horse there

hankib · 08/03/2019 09:00

The problem with allowing a SO to be put first in a relationship (whether that’s by them or you) is that you are allowing them to always put you last.

Stop allowing him to put you last Sad

ElloBrian · 08/03/2019 09:00

Tell us more about this immense stonewalling problem that he has had six sessions of therapy for.

soontobefour4 · 08/03/2019 09:08

Were there any things that were agreed you needed to change in the relationship? You've mentioned him needing therapy and taking you on date nights, but it would be helpful to know whether he had anything he wanted you to change as part of your 'make or break' conversation.

I think if there were and you've taken action you're definitely wasting your time, but without knowing his side of the story it's difficult to comment fairly.

Contraceptionismyfriend · 08/03/2019 09:24

Why haven't you put money aside and planned a definite date night? If it's something you want and he's not really bothered how are you ensuring it's a priority?

SpiritedLondon · 08/03/2019 09:30

You are flogging a dead horse there

Straight to the point as ever.

I don’t think there’s anywhere to go with this one but I’m interested in how he has access to money yet you don’t?

2019willbegreat · 08/03/2019 09:31

Sounds like a more extreme version of what happened to me. And yes. He is telling you loud and clear, sorry.

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 09:32

I could put money aside, sure, but the point is that he needs to be making an effort. I fight for our relationship at every given opportunity, I've stuck around through some real shitty stuff and given him chance after chance after chance. It's not down to me to woo him. He needs to pull his finger out and show me that he gives a shit about me.

Regarding the stonewalling - just classic stonewalling behaviour. Ignores me in conversations, has zero input, will look anywhere other than at me whilst I'm talking, storms out, pretends the situation isn't happening, won't answer questions or even attempt to work through things. It's fucking tiresome for me.

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lifebegins50 · 08/03/2019 09:34

The stonewalling is often used to invalidate your feelings and not listen to you.

Ex did this, went to counselling for a year, madecit worse as it made him outwardly aggressive.

Read the verbally abusive relationship by Patricia Evan's and see if it rings any bells.

Also try to stand back and see what is going on, start a journal which will help with patterns. E.g you ask him for date nights, he agrees but then gets angry, spends money, goes to bed, stonewall. Enx result you don't get what you want and feel even more angry.

What was his childhood like?

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 09:35

And no, he didn't say anything for me to change. All of the problems we're currently facing are down to things he's done over the last few years. Things that I've tried to deal with but have had zero support for in the process.
He just makes no effort. He wants me shut up about things that upset me or are bothering me, because he can't 'handle' the conversations.

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ShatnersWig · 08/03/2019 09:36

Oh FFS your update is ridiculous.

He's already SHOWN you he doesn't give a shiny shit about you or your relationship.

You KNOW this is over. Why are you even trying to keep it going?

Littleraindrop15 · 08/03/2019 09:39

Think you should call it a day

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 09:44

I feel like I'm too weak and chicken to leave. Like me leaving means we haven't done all we could to save our marriage and we're just throwing in the towel. But truthfully, I do know that I've done all I can. It's him that needs to pull his finger out of his arse.

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theredjellybean · 08/03/2019 09:49

Your post does seem it is all on him to change, you say you have fought for the relationship but how? Have you shown him what you want by organising a date night? Or finding a therapist.
If he struggles with emotions then he maybe Stone walling as a coping mechanism... Or he doesn't get what you want from him.
Organise the first date night and tell him this is the kind of thing you meant when you said you wanted time together. Then say next month it's your turn to organise date night... I'd like to go to the cinema /theatre/dinner... Or whatever.
Ifhe still doesn't do it there's your answer..

FineWordsForAPorcupine · 08/03/2019 09:49

OP, what would you need to do to feel that you had tried your best, given your all and therefore "had permission" to stop trying with this relationship?

Because it sounds to me that you are falling for the fallacy of sunk costs - you have spent so many years forgiving, trying, "fighting for the relationship", talking, etc and you don't want to just walk away from all that effort. But continuing to throw good effort after bad is a waste. The longer you stick around, the more you feel he owes it to you to change, because you've invested so much.

He is the person he is. He isn't going to magically change and finally, finally be the sensitive, communicative, responsive person you deserve. So it's (sadly) up to you - do you want to stick around for more of the same?

Sorry to sound brutal and I know it's never that easy. But I think what you really want is permission to leave.

NWQM · 08/03/2019 09:59

It does sound dire. A couples therapist though can help you break up 'well' as much as stay together. If I were you I wouldn't test him by making him find the therapist I'd crack on with booking an appointment.

Ruru8thestars · 08/03/2019 10:01

Sounds like the marriage is dead and he has no interest in saving it. You need to think about next steps

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 10:12

I don't need to show him what a date looks like. He's a grown adult, fully aware of what I like. I've explained countless times that getting his mother to watch our DC's for a few hours whilst we have a quick lunch at the restaurant at the end of our road would put a huge smile on my face. It doesn't have to be a weekly occurrence, once a month or even every other month would more than suffice, he could quite easily afford that as well as therapy. But the therapist he was recently seeing was a free service anyway so!

It is completely on him to change and put the effort in. I don't shit glitter and have a crown on my head, but honestly, I've been amazing to him after all the shit he's put me through. He's fucking lucky to have me, truly.

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Ruru8thestars · 08/03/2019 10:14

As I said - he doesn’t care enough to put the effort in

katy78 · 08/03/2019 10:19

Could you have not looked at couples counsellors in your area yourself? Why did the expectation fall on him? The only person you can control is yourself. Likewise if he wanted to text his counsellor because he wanted more counselling sessions he would have. It’s not up to you to make him have counselling.

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