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He’s telling me loud and clear, isn’t he?

99 replies

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 08:30

Over a week ago, DH and I had - what I thought was - a pivotal, ‘shit really needs to change to save our marriage’ type conversation.
We agreed things needed to change in order for our marriage to stand a chance of survival, and straight after the chat, I felt (probably naively) quietly confident that I’d been heard and understood and the ball would get rolling regarding the things that had been mentioned.

One of the things was date nights. DH and I each have a small amount of ‘left over’ money after bills, food etc have been taken care of. DH went to a gig this month and spent a lot of money whilst he was out, that’s fine, I somewhat expected that. During our chat, I asked him if he had any money left to which he said ‘yes’. Great, I thought, he still has some money, and now that I’ve expressed the real importance of us having date days/nights he’ll put a small amount of it away for us to do something in a few weeks time, so that we can reconnect and have some fun. He got in from work the other day, and I noticed he’d bought himself something. When I asked if he had any money left after his purchase, he said no. So instead of thinking ‘I have this spare bit of cash which I could save for me and DW to use because she wants me to take her out and spend time with me after our conversation’, he instead chose to spend it on himself and now has no money for us to do anything until his next payday. I bit my lip, and I didn’t say anything else though I was obviously frustrated that once again, him buying something for himself took priority over us having money to do something together as we’ve had around 2-3 date days in the last two and a half years.

The second thing was therapy. DH has recently finished up 6 sessions of therapy to help combat his severe stonewalling which has been detrimental to our marriage in so many ways, but it’s evident the therapy hasn’t helped one iota, so I said to DH that he really needs more help and he agreed. He’s adamant he wants to learn to cope better with situations and conversations, and even said that his therapist had told him to contact her immediately if he felt he needed more sessions and she’d book him in for another 6 sessions if he wanted them. I mentioned that it was also a good idea for us to try couples therapy, and he should look for couples counsellors in our area.
This was all over a week ago. Last night I asked DH if he’d text his old therapist, or made a shortlist of couples therapists for us to look at, to which he said ‘no, he hasn’t had time’. I of course asked him how on earth he hasn’t had the time to spend 15 minutes on google or 20 seconds sending a text to his therapist, and he had nothing to say, just completely blanked me and kept looking at his phone (something I’m very used to but gets my blood boiling every single time he does it). I said that if I was in his shoes, I would’ve sorted this stuff out ASAP, but yet every single night that he gets in from work, he spends hours upon hours on Reddit, so yknow, priorities, right? He got up, angrily snarled ‘whatever, I’m going to bed’ (this was at about half 7....) and off he went.

Am I being unreasonable to think he would’ve had a few minutes in the last week to contact his therapist? Is it so crazy to think he should’ve been looking at couples counsellors for us after he said he would, has clearly had the time and it is crucial for us to see someone given our ‘this is make or break’ conversation.

His reaction last night combined with the lack of effort shown in the last week alone makes me feel like he’s just screaming that nothing is actually going to change and perhaps, I’m the one that’s asking for too much? That doing all we can to save our marriage comes second to browsing pointless memes on a phone all night or spending money on stupid shit that could be better used for a meal for us to enjoy together alone one evening.

I’m so tired of being the only one fighting for this marriage and acknowledging that we need serious help and commitment if we stand a chance of getting through our problems and coming out the other side a much stronger couple.

OP posts:
Notcoolmum · 08/03/2019 10:21

You aren’t prepared to make the effort. You clearly resent whatever issues you two have got. And he’s not interested. Maybe time to call this one over?

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 10:28

I am prepared to make the effort? But it should be him that looks in to the counselling because I need to know and to see that he cares about shit getting better for us. If I book it and drag him along to it, how do I know that he actually cares about the whole process? That he wants to be there? That he wants us to get better? The whole reason we need couples counselling is because of things he's done, not me, so the onus should be on him to make things right and show me he's doing all he can to make our relationship better.

I do completely resent the issues we have. There's nothing more infuriating than not having your voice heard in a relationship. That you should swallow down your feelings rather than express them, and when you do express how your feelings? Well, you just get ignored anyway, or walked away from, or told to drop it.

OP posts:
katy78 · 08/03/2019 10:31

No the onus is on you to leave because he doesn’t give a shit about you

katy78 · 08/03/2019 10:33

The only thing you can control and change is your reaction and your actions.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/03/2019 10:34

and given him chance after chance after chance
There you go.
Why would he change?
He's no reason to.
You keep forgiving him and he has no consequences to his actions.
A phrase I put a lot on here!!

The more chances you give someone
The less respect they’ll start to have for you.
They’ll begin to ignore the standards that you’ve set
Because they’ll know another chance will always be given.
They’re not afraid to lose you because
They know, no matter what, you won’t walk away.
They get comfortable with depending on your forgiveness.
Never let a person get comfortable disrespecting you!

Bluntness100 · 08/03/2019 10:36

I guess there is more of a back story here, why does he need to book the therapy, or save th money for the date nights, can't you take it in turns? It's clear you think this is all his responsibility, but can you articulate what is your responsibility apart from telling him what you want?

Honeybee79 · 08/03/2019 10:37

Hi op. I think he is 8ndeed showing/telling you loud and clear. From what you have said, he hasn't listened to you or, if he has, he has chosen not to prioritise what he heard.

Merryoldgoat · 08/03/2019 10:37

You can’t change him. You can only control you.

So sort yourself out and leave.

He’s an utter twat and you’ll feel a million times better free from him.

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 10:50

I'm a bit confused about the people telling me it should be me putting my money towards his therapy and me taking him out?

He's put me through a lot over the last couple years and has done very little in the way of showing me he cares and wants things to be okay between us. Yet it should be me arranging therapy and dragging him to it despite seeing that he actually wants to go in order to make our relationship better? It should be taking him out for dates and wooing him, even though it's him that should be making that effort to make me happy again?

I spend all of my time trying to resolve issues and problems with him so that we can have a more solid marriage, but he puts his head in the sand and ignores me or shuts me down, yet it should be me taking him to dinner and going above and beyond for him? I feel like I'm missing something here...

OP posts:
AmIWelcome · 08/03/2019 10:52

As a guy my advice might be both controversial and unwanted but here goes...

I can draw a lot of parallels between his behaviour and that of my own. My partner will often pull me up on things that I didn't realise I had let slip (date nights, flowers etc) and after she has I feel devastated that I've made her feel bad and then revert to my default behaviour type which is "freezing". I stop communicating. I can't help it necessarily it's just how my brain is programmed.

Shutting down communication isnt just something that someone can change overnight, it is entrenched, often programmed into someones brain and will need a lot more than 6 sessions to sort out. Avoiding calling a counsellor is an extension of this communication shutting down and rather than expect (you already know it wont happen so why expect...)him to plan his own counselling how about making that enquiry for him? Mental health issues are magnified when you are taking that journey alone.

None of this makes me or him a bad person, I can be lovely and am always thoughtful of my partner and genuinely want her to be happy and have everything that she might need it is just difficult for me to consistently deliver it.

Sounds to me like you have given up on the relationship, every time someone has offered that "you should make an effort too" you have countered that with "I shouldnt have too", "I do this and that already", "he should know"...that isnt language of someone who wants to save a relationship.

If your determined to make things work then I think you need to sit him down in a neutral environment and both just open up with how you really feel about stuff - no raised voices, no accusations, no blame. Draw up together how you want your relationship to look and to work and agree to work together on the bits that need improving. I'm pretty sure that by taking that approach you will see improvements :).

To those who have been very "direct" about your partner...thanks for your constructive non biased views...

katy78 · 08/03/2019 11:01

People are saying those things to you OP because you can’t make him do those things. If you want those things only you can make them happen for yourself. The only person you can control is you. It’s not up to you to tell him what he should be doing. If he’s not doing things that make you happy and what you would want then you need to leave. There is no advice for you on how you can make him change because you can’t.

katy78 · 08/03/2019 11:02

It’s very simple. He isn’t booking dates and finding counsellors because he does not want to go on dates or have counselling. You can accept this or leave.

katy78 · 08/03/2019 11:05

Also if the counselling he has had so far hasn’t worked that’s because he doesn’t want to engage in it. It sounds like he did those 6 sessions purely for you and he does not actually want to change.

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 11:05

I've tried every single angle and approach when it comes to talking to him. I've tried completely calm and neutral chats, I've tried all guns blazing, I've tried letters, messages, addressing a problem then letting him have a few days to mull it over before it's brought up again. Nothing works.
Everything I've tried has been shot down, I'm always met with either sheer, stone cold silence or anger resulting in him fleeing the situation entirely in the hopes I won't address it again.

The amount of different avenues I've tried regarding conversations and his stonewalling to make things easier for him is me making an effort.
Since december, I've bought him two sets of gig tickets for bands he absolutely loves, for him to go off and enjoy himself and let loose, have a couple evenings away from the kids and myself and just relax. I keep suggesting that we use the voucher for a meal that his mum bought us, but he never says anything about it. When I've gone food shopping, I've bought him lovely steaks and prepared him amazing meals just 'because', it's a nice and thoughtful thing to do. I do loads of small things which, if he reciprocated for me, I'd deem it as him making an effort to put a smile on my face.

But apparently the occasional date and more therapy to combat his stonewalling is me asking for too much and a sign I'm not putting the effort in?

OP posts:
katy78 · 08/03/2019 11:08

No angle you have tried works because HE DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE. You have two options: accept nothing will change and accept the relationship how it is now or leave.

AmIWelcome · 08/03/2019 11:18

What do you want from the marriage? What is your ideal world, as things stand?

AnyFucker · 08/03/2019 11:21

He doesn't give a shit as long as his own needs are met. That's it, really.

purplepears · 08/03/2019 11:25

He's answered you. He's not interested enough in you to make any effort. And if you stay with him all this will continue.
Give it a last shot if you want? Change how you react. Mirror his behavior. If that doesn't change anything then plan your future without him. He sounds completely disinterested in life with you.

IncrediblySadToo · 08/03/2019 11:25

As I see it, you have 3 choices.

1: Ask him AGAIN if he wants to be in the relationship and if he does, what is he actually prepared to do about it? Ask him how long, exactly, he thinks he can get away with completely ignoring your needs before you leave.

2: Accept this is how things are.

3: Leave

First step us to decide which path to take.

It’s not easy when you WANT them to ‘wake up’ and see what they’re about to lose, rather than leave, but there’s really nothing you can do.

If one of the things you’re ‘working through’ was an affair & he’s acting like this, then you’d be MAD not to leave. It VERY VERY seldom works out after an affair, and it never ends with the cheated on one being happy if the cheater acts like this. Don’t waste more time waiting for him to change, because he won’t.

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 11:25

As things stand? I'd love to see a shred of effort from him. Whilst he's out buying more things for himself, why not stop by the supermarket and pick me up a bunch of those £2 flowers that he knows I like. I'd love for him to ask his family to watch our DC so that we can have a break, instead of me always having to rope my mum in to it if I want an hours peace to crack on with the housework without being interrupted.
I'd love a friggin' date! A cheap arse meal from the restaurant down the street is honestly all I ask.
I wanna be heard, I wanna felt understood. I want to feel like I can express myself without ending up crying because I've been walked away from again. I want him to want to sort out his stonewalling, I want him to recognise how terribly damaging it is and how long I've had to suffer as a result of it. I want him to care about me and I want him to fight for me.

OP posts:
Godowneasy · 08/03/2019 11:37

You're not listening to what people here are saying.
He Doesn't want to do it!
You have two choices- either accept the way he is, or leave him.

ShatnersWig · 08/03/2019 11:40

HE'S NOT GOING TO HEAR YOU
HE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU BEING UNDERSTOOD
HE'S NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU ON A DATE
HE'S NOT GOING TO BUY YOU FLOWERS
HE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY EFFORT
HE'S NOT GOING TO FIGHT FOR YOU

There - got it now?

Happynow001 · 08/03/2019 11:48

No angle you have tried works because HE DOES NOT WANT TO CHANGE. You have two options: accept nothing will change and accept the relationship how it is now or leave.

^^ This! I'm sorry OP but he really does not care. He knows how you feel but is ignoring you because he does not care and knows nothing will change because you are still there still trying, still caring and still doing everything the same.

Where is the incentive for him to do anything different except for the occasional appearance that he will change to get you off his back? He has already checked out mentally but you are still there mentally and physically doing it all.

Maybe it's time to see if YOU doing something different ie counselling for yourself alone and/or getting your finances sorted out with the view of leaving this relationship might not be better for you and your DCs in the future.

rosinavera · 08/03/2019 12:05

@Shatnerswig - ever heard of empathy?!! This is OP's life - it might be obvious to you but this is her husband and her life! Nothing good comes of being blunt and rude.

Singlenotsingle · 08/03/2019 12:11

Yeah but Shatner is right. Everyone is saying the DH just doesn't care. OP is banging her head against a brick wall.

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