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He’s telling me loud and clear, isn’t he?

99 replies

NeverTakenSeriously · 08/03/2019 08:30

Over a week ago, DH and I had - what I thought was - a pivotal, ‘shit really needs to change to save our marriage’ type conversation.
We agreed things needed to change in order for our marriage to stand a chance of survival, and straight after the chat, I felt (probably naively) quietly confident that I’d been heard and understood and the ball would get rolling regarding the things that had been mentioned.

One of the things was date nights. DH and I each have a small amount of ‘left over’ money after bills, food etc have been taken care of. DH went to a gig this month and spent a lot of money whilst he was out, that’s fine, I somewhat expected that. During our chat, I asked him if he had any money left to which he said ‘yes’. Great, I thought, he still has some money, and now that I’ve expressed the real importance of us having date days/nights he’ll put a small amount of it away for us to do something in a few weeks time, so that we can reconnect and have some fun. He got in from work the other day, and I noticed he’d bought himself something. When I asked if he had any money left after his purchase, he said no. So instead of thinking ‘I have this spare bit of cash which I could save for me and DW to use because she wants me to take her out and spend time with me after our conversation’, he instead chose to spend it on himself and now has no money for us to do anything until his next payday. I bit my lip, and I didn’t say anything else though I was obviously frustrated that once again, him buying something for himself took priority over us having money to do something together as we’ve had around 2-3 date days in the last two and a half years.

The second thing was therapy. DH has recently finished up 6 sessions of therapy to help combat his severe stonewalling which has been detrimental to our marriage in so many ways, but it’s evident the therapy hasn’t helped one iota, so I said to DH that he really needs more help and he agreed. He’s adamant he wants to learn to cope better with situations and conversations, and even said that his therapist had told him to contact her immediately if he felt he needed more sessions and she’d book him in for another 6 sessions if he wanted them. I mentioned that it was also a good idea for us to try couples therapy, and he should look for couples counsellors in our area.
This was all over a week ago. Last night I asked DH if he’d text his old therapist, or made a shortlist of couples therapists for us to look at, to which he said ‘no, he hasn’t had time’. I of course asked him how on earth he hasn’t had the time to spend 15 minutes on google or 20 seconds sending a text to his therapist, and he had nothing to say, just completely blanked me and kept looking at his phone (something I’m very used to but gets my blood boiling every single time he does it). I said that if I was in his shoes, I would’ve sorted this stuff out ASAP, but yet every single night that he gets in from work, he spends hours upon hours on Reddit, so yknow, priorities, right? He got up, angrily snarled ‘whatever, I’m going to bed’ (this was at about half 7....) and off he went.

Am I being unreasonable to think he would’ve had a few minutes in the last week to contact his therapist? Is it so crazy to think he should’ve been looking at couples counsellors for us after he said he would, has clearly had the time and it is crucial for us to see someone given our ‘this is make or break’ conversation.

His reaction last night combined with the lack of effort shown in the last week alone makes me feel like he’s just screaming that nothing is actually going to change and perhaps, I’m the one that’s asking for too much? That doing all we can to save our marriage comes second to browsing pointless memes on a phone all night or spending money on stupid shit that could be better used for a meal for us to enjoy together alone one evening.

I’m so tired of being the only one fighting for this marriage and acknowledging that we need serious help and commitment if we stand a chance of getting through our problems and coming out the other side a much stronger couple.

OP posts:
Ellisandra · 08/03/2019 15:35

He values you as much as you are valuing yourself.

He won’t change.
He doesn’t give a shit.

If you’re not ready to leave him, at least for god’s sake stop wasting your money on gig tickets for him to go with his mates Hmm

Leave, or check out until you do leave.

TheLongRider · 08/03/2019 15:49

It takes both people in the marriage to work on the marriage. You won't have failed if you leave. Why should all the blame be placed at your feet?

This situation is intolerable, you can't live the rest of your life like this. It's easy for us to say leave. It does take strength of character to walk away and none of us are living your life.

It will be hard, but living in your current situation is hard anyway. Nothing will change for you until you do it yourself.

MsDogLady · 08/03/2019 15:55

NTS, your children are already living in a broken home. How sad that this is their model for relationships and family life.

This is no way to live. He is controlling you with stonewalling and passive-aggressive inaction. Yes, this is contempt, and he is not going to change. Stop demeaning yourself by playing this game.

You are in desperate need of the support of individual counseling to build your self-esteem, learn different coping strategies, make an exit plan, and investigate why you have tolerated this for so long.

DianaT1969 · 08/03/2019 16:48

Do you work and earn your own money? If yes, start with the basics. Where you will live (if you have to leave your current home). If no, how soon can you start working and become financially independent?

FineWordsForAPorcupine · 08/03/2019 16:58

You keep saying you are "fighting for the relationship". That is a weirdly noble way to describe "continuing to let someone treat me like crap".

TowelNumber42 · 08/03/2019 17:45

Fighting for not accepting reality.

Meckity1 · 08/03/2019 18:52

Have you googled 'sunk cost fallacy'?

This is the rest of your life. I suggest you give up trying to get him to hear you and accept that this is it. You may be able to get counselling to help you find coping mechanisms for being alone in the marriage.

Perhaps you can take up separate hobbies.

poglets · 08/03/2019 18:56

The man can't even be bother to throw crumbs out. He is complacent or checked out.

You have to look after your needs first OP. Time to build yourself up, raise your head and move on from him. He is not the measure of your worth.

Girlofgold · 08/03/2019 19:05

This is what I did with my stonewaller (suspected domineering mum who he and his family learnt to zone out from and not respond to). Wasn't that he didn't care but he was in his own shit and he felt my criticism all over the shop, ignored me and was generally a silent grumpy dick. I'd talk him every which way to death. No joy. I don't think I was a bundle of joy either.

Eventually, I realised I was done. Withdrew. Discounted him in the evenings and weekends and set about making myself happy. Told him to play his play station, I was taking the kids out. Lo and behold all of a sudden he wanted to come. I was brutal at times. I wasn't playing games or making idle threats, I just couldn't argue anymore and wanted to reestablish myself before I decided what to do. Was interesting. Fucked off with him when I think about it again but we're good now. It was a difficult time for both of us with bereavements and disappointments of various kinds. I refer to it as his dark period of being a total dick. He seems shame faced Smile. He eventually returned to who he was before. Married life isn't easy.

category12 · 08/03/2019 19:23

When you finally let go, it'll be amazing, OP. I held on so long with my ex, so much longer than I should have, and the relief and the weight lifted when I finally got to that "enough" point lasted for a good couple of years.

Actually I still feel it now Grin.

Let go.

SunnyCoco · 08/03/2019 19:35

Don't stay together for the children. It's awful to be living in a horrible atmosphere like this one

Leedsgirlfriend · 08/03/2019 19:39

It’s not a failure to leave a bad marriage. It’s actually stronger to walk away. Staying in an unhappy relationship is not better than being alone. Time to move on with your lives by the sound of it. Stop being nice to him all the time because he doesn’t deserve it and it is demeaning you. This cannot be good for your self esteem. Good luck.

AfterSchoolWorry · 08/03/2019 19:45

I fight for our relationship at every given opportunity, I've stuck around through some real shitty stuff and given him chance after chance after chance.

You're flogging a dead horse love. It's not supposed to be this hard.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/03/2019 19:56

VALUE YOURELF!!!!

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 08/03/2019 19:57

CANT TYPE BUT seriously he is not worth your time.

16041per · 08/03/2019 20:20

You've tried really hard and given him a paint-by-numbers approach to how he can turn things around in the relationship (dinner, cheap flowers etc). He's basically been given an instruction manual on how he can contribute to a healthy and loving relationship. For whatever reason he seems unable to follow up with this. His ongoing behaviour seems to be adversely impacting your mental health. Cliché, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The emotional energy it takes to try to single handedly 'sort out' an intimate relationship is exhausting. You have thrown everything at this and it's not enough - his problem unfortunately, not yours. If you manage to separate I am sure you will feel lighter, happier and more at peace. Maybe see a counsellor yourself to help guide you through that process. Strength to you x

DuchessOfPhysics · 08/03/2019 21:09

You're pushing water up hill.

I thought I was afraid to leave my xh and then suddenly I did and everything was OK. I mean, hard, but exhilarating and I felt more alive than I'd felt for years. Like anything was at least possible now.

FrogFairy · 08/03/2019 23:58

He has clearly shown you who he is. He cannot be arsed with making any effort. He won’t change.

You can choose to shut up and put up with it. Be miserable and disappointed.

Or move on.

HappyLife21 · 09/03/2019 00:09

You sound like you like the martyr role.

You can’t change him so stop trying.

You think he’s a shit husband but you don’t want to leave.

So stay. Stay and be miserable.

Ruru8thestars · 10/03/2019 10:44

He doesn’t want to change. You don’t want to take control of your life - what to do?

rebecca102 · 10/03/2019 11:29

'I've tried every single angle and approach when it comes to talking to him. I've tried completely calm and neutral chats, I've tried all guns blazing, I've tried letters, messages, addressing a problem then letting him have a few days to mull it over before it's brought up again. Nothing works.
Everything I've tried has been shot down, I'm always met with either sheer, stone cold silence or anger resulting in him fleeing the situation entirely in the hopes I won't address it again.'

You've tried everything, why are you still here?

FizzyGreenWater · 10/03/2019 11:45

I just don't want to allow myself to fully believe or accept it.

Until you do, you are going to carry on being this miserable and frustrated.

You need to turn this around in your head.

Leaving this utter twat is GOOD.
It is POSITIVE.
It is the first step to you being happier and your kids benefiting from that.
It is taking your kids away from this awful model of a functioning relationship.
It is a move forward instead of the current constant moves on the spot, because right now you are putting your energies into nothing. He knows this too. He's got what he wants. He's perfectly happy with his life and perfectly happy with seeing you unhappy, because he doesn't give a shit about you. Likes a comfy home, nice food and kids on tap mind you - seems to work, this vague promises to change, doesn't it! Even gets the bitch buying the odd steak - win win!

You need to change your mindset and see calling time as the responsible, self-caring, good parent thing to do.

No-one in your household can be having a good life experience with this set up, and this nasty piece of work at the centre of it severely needs deleting.

2019willbegreat · 10/03/2019 11:46

OP it is hard starting out again on your own and I am not going to deny I still have very dark days. But the erosion of self esteem will catch up with you in a very bad way at some point.

I have a friend like you - her H is very financially abusive to her and her DC - to the point she thought he had another secret family as it was the only thing that could explain where his money went. I hate meeting up with her now because she spends the entire time recounting all the terrible things he has done money wise as if she is trying to persuade me how terrible he is.....I already know!!! I've stopped telling her to leave him because she is just not going to do it even though she could easily afford to and DC are now in their 20s with their own lives and jobs. So I just avoid her and pity the miserable life she is going to continue to live. Don't be that person OP.

Leedsgirlfriend · 10/03/2019 15:19

Perhaps he wants the marriage to end but just doesn’t have the guts to do it himself. Perhaps he is wanting you to take responsibility for that decision because then he will look like the poor guy whose wife left him. He might not want to look like a bad guy who left his wife and kids and perhaps that’s the only reason he is with you. He sounds very weak and cowardly. You should imagine yourself being with someone nicer.

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