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I’m so angry with DH and I need to get past it.

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AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 22:05

DH and I together for ten years. He has a daughter from a previous marriage. His ex decided to get a job with very unsociable and unpredictable hours and expected DH to pick up a lot of her slack with DSD, which DH then passed on to me because he was busy with his own work and I was freelance. It caused a lot of arguments and resentment. I felt that having to provide ad hoc childcare for him and his ex was holding my own career progression back. If I ever complained I was accused of not wanting DSD around and being annoyed because it meant she was at ours more often. He refused to acknowledge the imbalance or unfairness. It’s still a very sore point. Even more so because of the reason for this post.

About five years ago I was working for a company on a six month contract. DSD was with her mum for her half of the week and DH was working as normal. DH’s ex suddenly had a job on which meant she couldn’t attend a school event of DSD’s. DH guilted me into going to the event so that DSD would have someone there in the audience - against my better judgement I went, even though I was supposed to be working too. While I was waiting for the event to start I had to do a client call. I tried to find somewhere quiet to do the call but even so, it was obvious from the background noise that I wasn’t in the office when I was supposed to have been. The client complained to the company I was working for. I stayed until the end of my contract but they didn’t renew it and they never asked me back. I was annoyed at the time but DH just brushed it off as ‘oh they’re wankwrs, if they can’t deal with you working flexibly then fuck them’ kind of attitude. A standard which, hypocritically, he didn’t hold his ex’s or his own employers to.

Anyway, it’s happened again. I’ve got in trouble at work because I had to leave early at very short notice to go and sort out another DH domestic fuck up. This time he’d returned from a long haul business trip abroad and didn’t have his deadlock key. So I had to do an hour’s round trip to go and let him in. Again, someone complained about it. There haven’t been any further consequences but still, professionally, it makes me look really shit.

I was thinking back and asking myself why, both times, I didn’t just put my foot down and say an unequivocal ‘no’. And to my horror I realised that it was because I was scared of his reaction. He is a stonewaller. He never raises his voice and is not generally confrontational but his weapon of choice is a three-day stony silence and sulk.

I realise now that the reason I sabotaged my own work both times was because I was trying to avoid an unbearable atmosphere at home. The first time because he would’ve interpreted my not going to DSD’s event as ‘resenting DSD’. And the second time because technically I should have remembered he left for his trip without his deadlock key so I shouldn’t have deadlocked the door.

When I think of it like that, and when I see it written down, he sounds like an emotional abuser. But I am really struggling to square that with how he is the rest of the time. If you met him, he’s that classic sort of person who you’d say was a really nice bloke. He’s humble, he’s friendly, he’s generous, he’s kind - but he’s also stubborn and can be selfish and is prone to a sulk. But I don’t feel ‘afraid’ of him I do also recognise that I put myself at a disadvantage just because I couldn’t be arsed with a three day stand off.

What’s going on? Can anyone help me unpick it? He was genuinely remorseful when I told him about the recent complaint at work and I didn’t hold back in giving him both barrels. He’s sucking up and trying to be the perfect DH at the moment but I am the level of angry where I actually feel icy numbness. I’m scared at how detached I feel. I’m livid that this has happened twice now. And yet he will bend over backwards and move mountains to make sure his ex can work when she need to, because ‘it means extra time with DSD’.

I honestly don’t know what I need to do, or what he needs to do, or what needs to happen next to move past it. I don’t want to feel like this, it’s horrible. I want to get over it and forgive him but I don’t feel able.

OP posts:
Bubs101 · 06/03/2019 22:41

I don't think you should LTB, but you need to sit down with him and have an honest conversation with him about all of this, because right now it sounds like you would be better off, financially, emotionally, mentally and physically on your own.

Don't take his bullshit about 'not supporting him', you've done nothing but support him and his ex. Women constantly pick up the emotional and physical labour in relationships with often little acknowledgement and we need to be the generation that says no. Tell your DH to either change or I'd be having serious thoughts about the future of the relationship. Why should his ex get to flourish, forge a career etc on the back of you?

Aridane · 06/03/2019 22:41

You are over thinking twice in five years there has been a family emergency. Sheesh if you had children it would happen far more often. Someone complained because you had to leave for an hour. Say sorry make the time up. I do not believe your contract was not renewed because of the other incident

OP - I believe you.

Not all jobs are ones where you can flexibly work, WFH, male the term me up etc - if fucking only...

Wellit · 06/03/2019 22:41

I actually do think couples counselling may help. It will be time to address these issues and devise expectations and management of those expectations. Having someone else there may help him understand that you need these things addressed without the thread of silence/sulking. Hopefully he will see it's unreasonable and though he may not admit he's been wrong in the past for his actions (and really does that admission matter?), he may begin to alter his reactions to future issues. Maybe it will be too little, too late for you, and maybe he won't agree to counselling but that's the path I'd be taking in your position.

AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 22:42

Ok, I get that you shrug off his criticism of you because you've worked out it's not justified. Are you ever able to criticise him? Could you ever say 'that's rich, because you don't support me and you aren't a partner to me, you just expect me to do your dirty work'. Or is that too scary because of how he would react?

I have said that and he utterly refuses to acknowledge that that argument has any validity. It just turns into a circular ‘I do support you - I do X,Y,Z’ and if I rebut it with ‘well I do A,B,C’ it just becomes a ‘who works hardest and does the most and is the tiredest’ competition.

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AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 22:45

Why should his ex get to flourish, forge a career etc on the back of you?

BECAUSE IF SHE IS WORKING THAT MEANS DSD IS AT HOME WITH US MORE BECAUSE THAT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS AND I OUGHT TO BE ECSTATICALLY DELIGHTED AND IT MEANS HE WINS THE ‘BEST PARENT’ COMPETITION THAT HE IS SINGLE-HANDEDLY HAVING WITH HIS EX.

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Bubs101 · 06/03/2019 22:46

When you put it like that OP it sounds like he doesn't value your contribution to the upbringing of his DD, it's like it's expected of you, and if you don't comply with his 'expectations' he gets angry. If he isn't even willing to have a conversation with you about your feelings and listen, then I'm sorry but to me, it sounds like he values his ex more over you, as it seems he'd rather put you out than her.

AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 22:47

The ‘beat parent competition’ that, incidentally he isn’t even aware he’s having with his ex, yet is so obvious to anyone but him.

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AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 22:48

I'm sorry but to me, it sounds like he values his ex more over you, as it seems he'd rather put you out than her.

That’s how it has always felt to me. But he denies that’s the case and says he doesn’t give a fuck what his ex does, he just wants DSD at home with us as much as possible so if that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes. And if I don’t support him in that then I am evil and obviously hate DSD.

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Redskyandrainbows67 · 06/03/2019 22:50

I’m not siding with him at all BUT can you imagine not being able to see your children every day? He must miss dsd dreadfully and want her in his life full time. I think if you can acknowledge his point of view on this before you point out yours it might help him open up to your views.

I personally think you should be treating dsd as if she’s one of your joint kids - but that’s just me - I wouldn’t want to differentiate.

There is a separate issue of him then not supporting your career - and you letting him not support you /sabotage it a bit. You need to discuss this point with him and find out the root cause of the issues

pallisers · 06/03/2019 22:50

Hope he has some sterling qualities because someone who threatens to leave his pregnant wife because she won't put herself massively out for his dd so he doesn't have to ... well not looking great.

The thing is he truly believes that you exist to make his life easier and when you don't do that immediately, he regards it as a betrayal - because for him this is the basis of your relationship - you supporting him.

Don't go to couples counselling - at least not yet. Explore your own boundaries etc. and get a deeper understanding of how you operate and why you are with him and what you want to happen before doing that.

NotTheFordType · 06/03/2019 22:51

What do you think would happen if you handed him a back dated invoice for all the hours you have spent looking after his DD, including travel expenses?

I know you won't have all those figures right now but could you work it out for the last 4 weeks, divide by 4 to get an average week and then multiply that by 52+9 to get 2018 plus this year to date?

Use either your base hourly rate as a contractor, or what the childcare cost would be.

If you know what his hourly rate would be based on his salary, you could also do a comparison.

I have to say I do feel sorry for your poor DSD. I am sure you are warm to her and don't let any resentment show, but she must realise that both her mum and dad can't be bothered and send you along in their place.

pallisers · 06/03/2019 22:53

I’m not siding with him at all BUT can you imagine not being able to see your children every day

I can. Which is why I couldn't I would make sure I was the one going to the performances, minding my child etc. Not my new wife.

Redskyandrainbows67 · 06/03/2019 22:54

And of course you are validated to feel the way you feel. But so is he. So it doesn’t mean your views are right and his are wrong. You need to talk and compromise and agree how dsd will fit into your lives.

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/03/2019 22:55

Excellent posts from pallisers

Redskyandrainbows67 · 06/03/2019 22:57

Pallisers - maybe he can’t? Op mentioned he works abroad?

I feel sorry for the dsd too - she’ll grow up resenting the op’s ‘true’ children and will always be treated differently to them by the op

Bubs101 · 06/03/2019 22:57

he just wants DSD at home with us as much as possible so if that’s what it takes, that’s what it takes.

But he's not willing to make any sacrifices or go out of his way to make that happen. If he wants her around as much as possible then he should be expected to work flexibly, pick her up from school, go see her assemblies etc. But instead, he has you doing that, seems like he wants all the fun of parenting without any of the hard work involved and has forced that on to you. A good father would do anything for his child, not force the more tedious tasks he doesn't think are important enough to his DW, who already has enough on her plate.

Redskyandrainbows67 · 06/03/2019 22:59

Why don’t you offer to be more inclusive of your dsd into your family but in return he does more childcare responsibilities for all (3?) of your kids? That way you both get what you want?

WinnieFosterTether · 06/03/2019 23:02

I think there's lots of issues here and although it's tempting to lay them all at his door, you're responsible for some of them. To be blunt, you're choosing to risk your career whilst your DH and his ex are refusing to risk their's then you're resenting that you didn't take the same stance as them. You need to work on your boundaries.

As for the DCs, it doesn't sound like you consider DSD as much a part of your family as your own DCs. It also sounds like you do resent her for the problems you've had with work but they are not her fault. You're the adult who didn't prioritise your work.

The stonewalling is your DH's issue. I'm not sure twice in five years is an insurmountable problem but you might benefit from couple's counselling around communication and conflict resolution.

Actually the biggest problem is that you're jumping to fantasies about a better life without him and with 50/50 custody. That sounds like you're emotionally detached from this relationship and tbh I don't think that level of detachment has come from what you've shared here. If a friend talked to me about their relationship, the way you have posted here, I'd assume they liked someone else.

pallisers · 06/03/2019 23:03

Pallisers - maybe he can’t? Op mentioned he works abroad?

So if he can't then the dd stays with her mother? Why does the OP have to sacrifice HER career when he is clearly not willing to do it so he can say "dsd was with "us""

Come on, this man wouldn't go to his daughter's event and neither would her mother - because they were both working. But he guilted his new wife into going to the detriment of her work. He regularly agreed to have his dd on days not agreed knowing he wouldn't change his work arrangements but expecting his wife to do so - again to the detriment of her career. I don't feel much sympathy for it being hard for him not seeing his dd. He still isn't seeing her - he is delegating it to the woman he thinks serves him.

Brazenhussy0 · 06/03/2019 23:06

Wtf? Ten years of this?

When any of my exes have threatened to leave in the past my response is ‘well off you pop then’. They never did leave, it’s an empty threat with the aim of gaining control.
(These fine specimens became exes for other reasons, usually because I either wouldn’t mother them or wouldn’t bend over backwards for their massive all-consuming egos.)

Your husband is not kind. He is selfish and manipulative. His DD is his responsibility and you are right to feel angry.
A complete relationship overhaul is needed here if you really don’t want to leave.

Xenadog · 06/03/2019 23:06

OP, your DH is having his cake and eating it. In fact reading your posts are giving me the rage. I genuinely do not know why you have tolerated being treated like this.

I think counselling for you initially would be a very good thing. It might be that afterwards you decide you want to work on your marriage (in the sense that you want to stay and improve things) in which case I would definitely say you need couples counselling too. I imagine after counselling for yourself you might just want to cut your losses with “dad of the year” here.

AIBUtopickanyoldname · 06/03/2019 23:07

because for him this is the basis of your relationship - you supporting him.

This has really struck a chord.

When I met him he was a sort of bumbling, hapless single dad to this cute little girl and that probably brought out my rescuer tendencies. Looking back at our early relationship there were many many times where he acted in an entitled way towards my generosity and my time. Cancelling plans with me at the last minute because his ex had a party to go to and she’s dumped DSD on him. The narrative was always that he just wanted to spend as much extra time as poss with DSD, which was of course very noble but left absolutely no room for me. So I do d what I thought was the right thing to do and sucked it up. But actually what me staying quiet did was reinforce the message he was sending me that ‘you’re not that important’. And that kind of set up the whole dynamic for our relationship since.

DSD at any cost to time, money, career or personal relationships. And I was expected to do the same. Never mind about me.

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BrinkPink · 06/03/2019 23:09

I'm freelance and I completely believe you, and this is why it happening twice in 5 years is a big deal. It can lose you business, and he expects you to put his DSD and domestic needs above your career - because it does impact your career. it doesn't just inconvenience you on those actual days, it affects your reputation.

However this is also about much more than just those two occasions, it's about his attitude in general and all the work you've done looking after DSD so that he can put his career (and ex's) first.

Though I don't have the stepfamily situation, I recognise a lot of his attitude from my ex. Comes across as lovely, sweet, kind and funny but is the most selfish, stubborn arse on the planet when the chips are down, and puts his career, and his needs generally, above all else. I never managed to get through to him why our setup was so unfair (both working, but I'm freelance so I got to do 90% of everything home and child-related and carry the can in every emergency). So it was doomed.

You have to talk to him clearly and unambiguously and spell it out, and I agree counselling might help him actually listen.

FrozenMargarita17 · 06/03/2019 23:12

@pallisers has got it, OP.

Redskyandrainbows67 · 06/03/2019 23:14

Op it’s not dsd or you - you’re not fighting her for his attention.... did you have to fight for someone’s attention growing up??