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Married to someone with Aspergers: support thread 4 (replacement one)

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changerofnameaspiethread · 05/03/2019 11:50

This thread is for partners seeking to understand the dynamics of their relationship with someone with ASD. It is a support thread, and a safe space to have a bit of a rant. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner. Otherwise the thread can be deleted, like Support Thread 4 The Original.

Previous threads:
1st thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3281058-Is-anyone-married-to-someone-with-Aspergers
2nd thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3325419-married-to-someone-with-asperger-s-support-group-here
3rd thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a3463341-Married-to-someone-with-Aspergers-Support-group-here-Thread-3

OP posts:
Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/06/2019 09:39

New here reading part of the thread with sadness but also recognise so much from my life. I feel trapped in my marriage with someone who cannot see anything other than his perspective. I gave up work when we had kids and really regret it now. He does nothing because I am the stay at home wife. Work is all and everything is ‘business’ - including any events he might want to go to in the evenings, so obviously always take precedence over anything I might have planned. He has no friends outside work (no friends in work either). Does nothing with the home or kids as that is ‘my’ stuff but also doesn’t recognise it as requiring any effort or work (youngest has autism too and I have had to do a lot of fighting/tribunals to get support at school, all on my own). He thinks because the kids are at school I have this amazing amount of free time to do everything from exercise/meet friends (only time I am allowed to do so)/rest/develop any interest as well as all the chores/improvements to the house/fighting to get support for youngest. Come the weekend we must do what he decides. I am exhausted at the moment but I am never ‘allowed’ to be exhausted/ill/injured - it makes him angry not supportive. So last night all I wanted was an early night but he just kept lecturing me about how I needed to look after myself, how I should have told my friends to ‘sod off’ in the week so I could have gone for a walk this afternoon (had to pop to the supermarket to get some food - was going to go the previous evening but he had a last minute ‘business’ thing). In the end I had to go out even though I just wanted an early night as that was what he counted as ‘looking after myself’ so took the car to a car park for an hour (was feeling too tired to drive anywhere). When I got back my oldest was still awake/unchanged in her room with things pushed up against the door to keep DH out; took an hour to calm her down and persuade her to get to bed. So another later night for me again. DH clashes with oldest all the time - mostly because he will decide something and then shout at her to do it with no warning because once he has decided it must be so.

Sorry for the rant.

SeaEagleFeather · 23/06/2019 10:11

it sounds horrible and exhausting birds :(

Moffa · 23/06/2019 13:40

Oh @Birdsfoottrefoil Flowers it is so exhausting. You’re in the right place for support.

Since I left my H and I can witness his behaviour from a distance it is so clear to me that it could never work.

He is currently trying to threaten me over the kids. I’m weirdly not worried as there isn’t a single person who can hand on heart say he is a good/involved dad. He also says my behaviour is concerning our friends but everyone I’ve spoken to haven’t been surprised by my decision to leave and most have said they were more surprised I put up with so much for so long.

I want to start living a fun life again - I’m on my way!

Hope everyone on here is doing ok xxx

Birdsfoottrefoil · 23/06/2019 14:38

Great to hear it Moffa My DH is successful at his job so I expect people think he is considerate at home too. He can be good and does do things with the kids (if he can persuade them to do what he wants to do, less so the oldest now she can stay at home alone). But it is this lack of consideration for other people’s perspective along with his increasing expectation of me as a 1950s housewife without any appreciation of the work I put in that is hard to life with. He doesn’t ‘see’ most of the domestic work that gets done.

gummybearwotsit · 24/06/2019 07:07

Hi

Placing marking really while I go back and rtft.

My DH is on the verge of diagnosis of ADHD, ASD and anxiety disorder and we have multiple input from other teams regarding screening and potential diagnosis for my youngest child.

There's a lot going on at the moment and I feel like my little world is crumbling around me. Bit dramatic, I know, and normally I'm mostly OK with things, but hit a bit of a wall last night and am struggling now.

Just so sad and so incredibly lonely.

SeaEagleFeather · 26/06/2019 07:11

Oh gummy that's so hard. Have you got any support systems at all?

If you've been living with someone who has those three traits, then it must have been a very hard path to get this far.

Post here lovely whenever you need to. We get it.

Mischone · 26/06/2019 18:00

Hello all,

I'd like to jump in if that's ok? I'm a mother of two with a husband with HF ASD. One of our children is also ASD.

Ive been directed here after starting a thread about my DH and his perceived insensitivity to my postnatal health. I had a traumatic birth in April which has left me with a prolapse, painful intimate area and poor mental health. DH has been pressing me to resume our sex life and seemed oblivious to my ongoing suffering in that respect. This came to a head yesterday when I had to address the matter head on and tell him I'm not ready yet, I explained exactly why this was and whilst he initially apologised he then decided that all of this was because I wasn't attracted to him anymore Hmm

I love the man dearly but he is driving me up the wall, I could have lost my life in April as I has sepsis and the invasive group A disease that has claimed the lives of those in Essex on the news - and he just doesn't seem to "get it"

Anyway. Sorry for the rant. Nice to meet you all and I look forward to partaking on the thread x

midcenturylegs · 27/06/2019 15:05

@Mischone Hey there and welcome to the thread (but sorry you're here).
Others will give better advice I'm sure but could you try some couples counselling? 💐💐

MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed · 27/06/2019 18:55

Going from my past experiences with people on the spectrum, including partners and friends, I find that even when they can gather some nuance in a conversation if it comes down to something they really, really want they will ignore any mealy-mouthed or ambiguous reasoning and assume they can use their logical skills to convince you.

My advice is to tell him, firmly and with no room for negotiation, that you are not capable and have no desire for any sexual contact with him for the time being. Just a clear and direct no. If he tries to talk you around, tell him no is a complete sentence. This is not up for discussion. Shut down any attempts to talk you around. "I said no and I mean no," and walk away.

I know it sounds harsh but he's being supremely selfish and he has to know that.

midcenturylegs · 28/06/2019 09:16

@mysqueel good advice. Also @mischone how about writing a PROS and CONS list down, it'll clearly spell out the distinct lack of Pros.. (ie there'll be one, your OH will have what he wishes, the Cons all the medical & physical & emotional issues why you cannot). My ex really liked lists; helped him to see things logically. You could then present the list again and again everytime the topic comes up so you don't even have to speak.

closetoptimist · 12/07/2019 01:29

Hello, I'm a long time observer (and one-time poster) and feel like I'm edging into a group of new girls ( nervous ) but Feel like I need to vent, so badly. I'm just so fucking FED UP. God knows we all are. I've just had a moment this evening where I looked around me at all my friends, laughing WITH me, and once again saw the inevitable black hole of joy, my husband, like a swirling vortex of fun in the corner. GOD he fucks me off. Sorry for the profanity but Jesus he'd test a sodding nun. This time last year I was positively unsafe with my feelings; I had no idea what was going on, and concluded the only solution was a murder/suicide.Now, after a year of intense research and education, I'd still cheerfully strangle him. But at least I'd Know why. And for anyone looking to misconstrue or raise alarms; 1) if I was gonna do it I wouldn't chat about it 2) Ye'd definitely have herd about it by now.

Moffa · 13/07/2019 11:51

@closetoptimist WineWineWine

Your post is timely for me.

I left H over 3.5 months ago. It was a sheer relief, and I’ve been so much better since (thanks to family, friends, therapy etc).

But H has of course now made me & DC a special interest. He says he will spend the rest of his life ‘winning’ me back and showing me & DC he can be a great H and father. I issued divorce papers and he ignored them. He wants me to give him more time.

I’m on a little holiday at the moment and I just want this to be over. I feel awful and guilty but I don’t trust that he can make long term multiple, sustainable changes and therefore I’m not sure he would ever make me happy, and in return I can’t make him happy. I think we are better off apart permanently. But how do you say that to someone who is so fixated on a different outcome and believe they are always right?!

Hope everyone ok xx

MySqueeHasBeenSeverelyHarshed · 13/07/2019 19:17

Moffa, you can't say that to him because saying anything to him is giving him an opportunity to win you over, as far as he's concerned. He's not going to listen to you.

In my opinion, the best way to move forward is to limit any communication with him to only what's necessary. Do not engage on an emotional level, because he will not see that you're trying to be nice or respectful but will see evidence that you want him back. Communicate through a proxy, if needs be, a solicitor or a mutual friend or just in bullet points in an email.

I had to ghost my ex in the end, because any and all answered phone calls, messages and emails were used to try and get me to get back with him even when we'd been split up for over a year and I was seeing someone else. I stopped all communication and he still tried to find ways to get in touch with me. Last time was two years ago, well over twelve years since we split, and if he's tried again since I've not seen it.

Moffa · 13/07/2019 21:49

Thank you @Mysquee I think you are right. I need to be cruel to be kind (to myself!)

Right now he is at home thinking of more ways he can control me (buying me a house in his name etc).

It’s never ending Sad

colouringinpro · 23/07/2019 19:39

how are you doing Moffa? and everyone else?

SeaEagleFeather · 24/07/2019 10:23

Well, mine has sort of departed now for his new house

he's spent the last ten weeks sorting through about a meter cubed of lego into different colours so that he can take half ...

The first evening he came back he started acting foully again. I actually told him to leave. The sheer joy of being able to do that, to not have to put up with his arguing, obstructionism and negativity. HOpe that one day I can get back to being myself again.

Zaphodsotherhead · 24/07/2019 14:50

I am still sort of with mine, although he lives 25 miles away and I rarely suggest getting together now. He's great to spend a day with, any longer and I start to get ragey. But something I am noticing more as he is getting older and older is that if he has decided something, then that is the only logical thing.

For example, we were going on a trip (arranged and paid for by me, he never initiates trips out any more) and, apparently, it made more sense for him to come to me the night before and stay over (so he could settle his dog at his mum's) rather than in the morning. So he turned up at my door, I was just home from work with a takeaway (which he won't eat, he doesn't know what's in them). No food for him, no expectation of him coming. But because he had decided it was the thing to do, it never crossed his mind to actually communicate with me. OBVIOUSLY he'd come over in the evening.

It wasn't obvious to me.

happycoffeedrinker1979 · 27/07/2019 06:38

Currently on hols abroad with H (asd, social anxiety) and just want to SCREAM

A few things I've learnt over the years ..

  1. dont try to help him or offer help
  2. don't worry about doing anything considerate (eg putting air con on for him ahead of him getting back to The room)
  3. dont touch his stuff, tidy it or wash/dry it
  4. any acts of kindness are not reciprocated, wanted or thanked - so don't bother
  5. be prepared for the enivatble rudeness and aggressive tone with every official at the airport and in front of the children
  6. remember he's an airport specialist who could redesign all airport/ airline processes much better than anyone else ever
  7. we have to run through duty free coz we can't dare stop to look at anything
  8. when going through security we have to gather our stuff asap at the end of it, even if that means running along putting our belts back on, just because he thinks we are holding others up (we're not btw)

Arrghhhhhhhh

Bluebellforest1 · 28/07/2019 13:18

Hi happy and everyone,
I don’t go away with my h for more than a couple of nights now, after a disastrous week in Majorca 2 years ago. We hadn’t been away for the previous 4 years due to various problems.
I found the whole thing so stressful, his need to control everything; making new regimented routines to suit himself (having to eat at exactly the same time every day for example) and having to have it his way or he sulked. And he self medicated with alcohol, so was pissed and comatose by 9pm every night.
When we got home, I told him that I wouldn’t go away with him for any longer than 2/3 nights again, explained why but he really didn’t get it.
I go away every year with a friend, and have fun.
Hope you survive your holiday!

Daftasabroom · 28/07/2019 13:49

DW (undiagnosed ASD) has been away for a night. The sense of peace that has descended is incredible. DS2 normally spends all day in his room, I think I've spent more time with him on the last 24hrs than the last year.

Daftasabroom · 28/07/2019 13:50

I'm dreading her returning.

Bluebellforest1 · 28/07/2019 14:58

Yes daftas I know what you mean.
H goes away for the odd weekend or night with his one and only friend, and they do a city break together every September (same week every year without fail!)
I love the peace and freedom of being “home alone” with the dog.
I’m counting down the weeks till his September trip.......

Daftasabroom · 28/07/2019 16:48

It's like I can walk on firm ground rather than eggshells when she is a away

Bluebellforest1 · 28/07/2019 18:17

Daftas I feel the weight lifting from my shoulders as he drives off.

andme2 · 29/07/2019 01:26

The walking on eggshells resonates with me. I feel I can breathe when my H is away from home.

His frequent response, when I ask him to do something or even if I am just trying to make conversation is to ignore me and even go into another room as if he hasn't heard me at all. When I challenge him (I do tell him his behaviour is rude) he often says he 'heard noise' but didn't realise I was talking to him. My speaking is just 'noise' to him. He is so rude and insufferably smug. When he speaks all must listen because of course whatever he has to say is IMPORTANT, as opposed to the mere noise I make when my mouth moves and sounds come out. It's worse when he's sat in front of the TV because I often have to ask him 3-4 times, "Are you listening?" "Did you hear me?"

Things have become very strained between us now because I refuse to be spoken to so dismissively, treated like a secretary, allow him to disrespect me, or get away with behaviour I've allowed in the past because either I wasn't sure if it was 'just me' or if I'd misunderstood or whatever, and didn't want to cause an argument or bad atmosphere.

H has no friends and isn't interested in making any. He's always been and still is very socially awkward but doesn't even try to be friendly or polite. Being with him suffocates me. He has all but destroyed my mental, emotional and physical health, caused me to doubt myself, question my sanity, almost believe that there was something wrong with me, and has engineered and manipulated circumstances to the point where I live an isolated and very lonely life and am terrified I will die in this house I hate that has never been a home, cut off from family and friends, hating him for presenting himself to me as one man before almost immediately after the wedding dropping the act and showing me who he really is.

It's right that I challenge H's behaviour and it's right that I stand up for myself but honestly the feeling of living in an almost constant war zone has sapped my energies and drained me of all hope. More often than not I leave a room if he enters, and if he's already in a room I enter, then he will leave shortly after. There is no relationship and hasn't been for many years.

I hate myself for not seeing the truth and for staying all these years after I learned it. I didn't leave before because of children, who are gone now, but due to failing health my widowed elderly father has had to come and live with us and I can't leave him.

I am so lonely and sometimes I pray I won't wake up.

Sorry for dumping all this at once. Never said any of it out loud before. Thanks for listening.

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