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My partner isn’t telling his adult daughter about our relationship

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Juneburg · 22/02/2019 11:35

My partner and I have been together for two years and living together for just over one year. There is a slight age gap of 14 years and he has two children (18and 23) from his previous relationship.

He has told the son he is ‘seeing someone’ but has yet to tell the daughter.

My partner has said for several months that he will speak to his daughter, but she keeps cancelling plans and he ‘bottles’ out when he does get the opportunity. The relationship between them is complicated, from what I understand this is due to the ongoing conflict he and his ex had during their relationship, the family set up was mum and daughter v dad and son.

I have tried to support my partner as best I can, he has been told by friends and family that his daughter has been ‘slagging’ him off - telling people he is selfish and does not care for her. This couldn’t be further from the truth, he has made extreme sacrifices for her and maintains regular contact despite often being met with rude and uninterested responses. She constantly cancels plans for them to meet up and makes it difficult to rearrange.

Unfortunately, him not telling her is causing tension in our relationship.

His family remain very loyal to his ex-partner, inviting her to family meals, events and have said that they will not meet me until either he tells his ex-partner of our relationship or he tells the children. Some family members have even threatened to tell the ex/daughter if he doesn’t do it. He has no intention of discussing our relationship with the ex.

Because of this, I have started to feel quite isolated. I have only met his dad and one friend in the space of two years. And in turn, he is isolating himself. We cannot attend family events together, we cannot go to meals or parties. He goes alone or not at all.

Invitations are never extended to me, even if the children/his ex is not attending.

We are not able to visit the town where his family/friends live in fear we will be spotted by someone who would then relay information.

And then, you have the very minor things that ‘normal couples’ would do. We cannot have profile pictures, be overly public with our relationship or go to certain places. He’s reluctant to even change his profile pictures of photos I have taken of him in case someone asks where or who took it.

I do to an extent feel like a dirty secret.

It feels as if we have separate lives. He has ‘his’ life with his family and friends, and then there is ‘my’ life with him, it is not ‘our’ life. I do not have children or a large social circle due to moving to the area very late on in my life.

My partner has promised me for several months now that he will deal with this, he says he knows he has to because it isn’t fair on me or healthy for our relationship. I understand why he is perhaps nervous or worried of the reaction of his daughter, so I have tried my hardest to remain impartial and not allow the feelings of isolation and separate lives impact us, but it is very difficult.

He will say ‘I promise in two weeks, I will tell them’, three weeks pass and then we are back on to the promises again.

We want to get married and have our own child, but we are prevented from moving forward in our relationship until he tells his daughter. Many of our achievements have been celebrated together and not with others and we would like to be able to get engaged with the support and excitement from others.

My other concern is that if this continues any longer, it won’t be seen as a mature decision on deciding if there is longevity in our relationship but will be seen as a lie and this will cause even more issues. Our relationship is very serious, we live together - I would be hurt if my own parents had not informed me of such a serious relationship that has spanned over two years.

He has also said he is going to start putting me first. I have told him I don’t want to be ‘first’. I don’t want to be in a competition with his children for first place, in my mind, they come first but also that I am taken in to consideration.

I am not entirely sure what advice I am looking for, but not being a parent myself, I can only relate based on assumptions of the situation. I really love this man and asides from this, our relationship is incredible - however, the tension is building. I believe he is not telling his daughter based on fear.

OP posts:
ravenmum · 23/02/2019 09:48

I was in a similar situation (closer to Fidgety's) for about a year and a half - him always coming to me; never meeting any of his family. I met a couple of friends, but not in a situation where they could have said anything to me privately. He also had stories about how he didn't want it to get back to his parents, who would disapprove. In the end I gave him a friendly ultimatum and then stuck to it. We have kept in touch occasionally, and I'm pretty much convinced now from some of the stories he tells that he is either still with his wife after all, or just has multiple lady friends at once.

Since got together with another guy who definitely is separated from his daughter's mum, and it is all so much easier as obviously all above board. After 2 years I haven't met his mum, or he my parents, but it's not an issue as it is due to distance, not weird secrets.

PositiveVibez · 23/02/2019 09:55

14 years isn't a 'slight age gap'. It's a big age gap. Especially if you're closer to your boyfriends daughter in age than you are to him.

You speak of their complicated relationship and how she is 'all for her mother' but you only have his side of the story.

He sounds pretty pathetic tbh and after 2 years. I'd be done with that shit.

JenniferJareau · 23/02/2019 11:18

He doesn't want to tell because she'll flip out and give him a 'her or me' ultimatum. He's been desperately trying to keep the peace knowing that, once his dd knows, he'll have to make a choice - her or you.

Good luck with whatever happens OP.

colditz · 23/02/2019 11:21

He's not going to have a baby with you. He can't even bring himself to TELL his kids you exist, let along give them a half sibling with you

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 24/02/2019 08:54

I would force the issue I think..Why not issue an invitation to dinner for both the son and daughter in a location that is mutually convineint? No drama just a getting to know each other lunch/dinner? Refuse to be hidden away.OP you just so do not deserve this.Not only is is bloody ridiculous it must be very hurtful.You might find out the daughter is a lovely young woman and there are other dynamics at play,until you meet her you will never know and the unanswered questions will drive you insane in the end.Either way your partner is not being respectful to you or his family by behaving like he does.Are you really sure deep down this is what you want? He should be proud of you and want to make you happy not shut you away its just not right on any level.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/02/2019 09:39

Hope you're okay, @Juneburg, and that you were able to get somewhere in your conversation with DP

Juneburg · 25/02/2019 13:53

Hi all,

We talked, he has another week to tell the daughter and has said he will either do this by call or text.

The conversation was actually very positive, I explained fully how I felt and also raised some of the points that have been raised in this thread. I do feel like everything I said was fully taken onboard, but I have left it at ‘actions speak louder than words’ and he is fully aware of this and has assured me everything will be out in the open this week.

I will update you all to let you know if the words do turn in to actions....

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/02/2019 14:00

Glad you were able to talk to him and good luck because it sounds okay so far, but do be prepared for the text to have been "sent" but unavailable for you to see because he "accidentally deleted it"

Genuine apologies for sounding negative, but I've just seen this kind of thing so often before. Hopefully, though, yours will be different ...

ravenmum · 25/02/2019 14:41

Sounds good if you can talk about it properly.

Hellohappy · 25/02/2019 14:44

From what you have said I can’t see why this week would be different from any other week but I hope for your sake he does finally do it.

another20 · 25/02/2019 14:46

Agree - delighted for you that the conversation went well.
So now make sure you have very firm deadlines and proof for each of the next steps and commitments.

  1. DD has been told.
  2. Family and friends immediately updated that DD has been told with a firm date for an informal meet in the next couple of weeks.
  3. Numerous trips into his town in the interim.
  4. A meet up with DS.
  5. An invitation to DD, DS and F&Fs to yours.
  6. Oversight of annual milestones and agreement as to what you will be doing together eg his DM birthday, mother’s day, Easter, bank holiday weekends, DS birthday, his birthday and yours etc
cees · 25/02/2019 16:04

Why another week though, why not now or tomorrow or the day after. Sounds like more stalling to me. You watch, something will happen next week that will mean its put off til another time. He is utterly spineless.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/02/2019 16:27

You watch, something will happen next week that will mean its put off til another time

Yes, I wondered about that myself Hmm

Fingers crossed, though - it might work out okay

JenniferJareau · 26/02/2019 06:38

Good luck OP, I hope he does what he promised.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 26/02/2019 06:57

Why couldn't he send the text there and then? Why the need for a whole week to send a text message?

This is a man that you've talked about having babies with but he won't acknowledge your existence in public! This whole situation is absurd.

MashedSpud · 26/02/2019 07:17

There’s a reason you’re being hidden. There’s either an overlap where he was sleeping with you both which he doesn’t want you to discover or he’s hoping for a reconciliation with the mother of his grown up children.
You’ve been with him for two years and can’t even be seen in public together?

If he claims he’s told his family meet them all asap to be sure he’s not lying.

Expo · 26/02/2019 07:25

I don’t think there is necessarily anything sinister going on. He just sounds like a class act wimp. He needs to man up. And how frustrating the text is going to take another week!!! Just rip that god damn plaster off! Must be soooo tempting to do it yourself (which clearly I am NOT advocating!!!)

Expo · 26/02/2019 07:27

One other thing....were you, or were you perceived as the OW?

You said you were friends when he was with his ex. His family and daughter sided with the ex etc. Do they perceive you as the OW even if not strictly true?

AuntieStella · 26/02/2019 07:42

Do you have any of his story corroborated?

Your only measure of his bona fides is that you knew him for a whilewhen he was going through this 'break up', surely you can see how suspicious all this looks to an outsider?

WhoGivesADamnForAFlakeyBandit · 02/03/2019 10:58

How are things @Juneburg?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/03/2019 12:46

I really hope OP's okay. There's obviously no obligation at all to update anyone, but when things turn out well I've often noticed that the poster will come back, thrilled to relate what's happened - and most are just as thrilled for them

Hopefully, if things haven't gone to plan, Juneburg will feel able to come back for support ...

Star81 · 02/03/2019 14:02

Hope things work out well for you x

Juneburg · 04/03/2019 12:16

Hi everyone,

I’ve been reluctant to respond with an update - there hasn’t been an update to give, in all honesty.

I was met with an excuse, but we do also have a lot of unrelated things going on (hospitalised family members, issues with work etc). The excuse was unfounded and I told him as much. We had a preplanned weekend and were in the company of friends and family for a lot of it (my side, obviously...) so it was difficult for us to properly discuss it.

We have discussed it now (again) and I should be able to post a positive update tomorrow.

I decided to opt for a more positive approach and encourage him. Our relationship is not negative and there is no reason why anyone should have the same view. Nothing we have done or are doing is impacting negatively on anyone else’s life, so if they choose to take offence to it - that cannot be helped and is something they will have to deal with themselves. I suggested instead of making it a negative and telling the daughter ‘I’ve been meaning to tell you for a while, however - I didn’t want to hurt you’, because this instantly tells her that he is concerned she would be upset so could encourage ‘bad’ behaviour or reactions to get what she wants. Instead, making it more positive and not giving her reason to doubt it might encourage her to be more positive about the situation. Saying something like ‘I’ve been wanting to tell you for a while but I just wanted to ensure there was longevity, but I have met someone and we are living together. I am really happy and I’d love for you to meet her soon as I think you will both get on really well and you’ll definitely like her’. If he asserts how happy he is, then there’s no reason for people to respond negatively. He agreed with this and said it has given him encouragement to do it.

I have at no point ever prevented him from seeing the kids, I have actively encouraged it even if it means sacrificing our own plans. Naturally, the daughter may not be happy but long-term, there are far worse women for him to end up with. I genuinely care for him and want him to be happy, and that should be enough of a reason for anyone to accept and respect the relationship.

Ok, yes - his daughter is likely to still have issues, but by wording it more positively it limits it and also means that the ball is now in her court.

I also suggested if she does cut off contact, which he is worried about and she has done before completely unfounded and unfairly, then for several weeks, call her once or twice a week and if she isn’t responding at all, send her a text and say ok, you don’t want to talk but just give me a call or a text when you’re able and i’d Like to see you soon - the ball is then in her court and there’s nothing more he can do.

I said if it wasn’t me, it would be another woman or the next woman and he would be in the same situation. Which I think is very fair and true. It’s not who I am, but what I am that she will take an issue to, and I can’t and never will be her mum and never intend to - but I am her dad’s partner and she needs to respect that, because as I said, if it isn’t me, it will be the next woman.

All of that could be completely wrong, one of the reasons why I came to Mumsnet was because I am not a mum/parent and the majority of you are!
So, I don’t know how to handle these situations or what is best, but he also needs to respect and appreciate she is not a young child and an adult woman, it shouldn’t be too difficult to comprehend or appreciate. I was honestly expecting the response to be you guys telling me to give him time, don’t get in the way of their relationship, his daughter is more important. But, the response has been very helpful. I know that it hasn’t been resolved despite our last discussion but if not today, something dramatic will have to happen.

I also wanted to thank you guys, I know there has been some question as to my partners motives, perhaps I am the other woman, he isn’t serious, I am just a stop gap until he finds something or someone else but I know in my heart this isn’t the case. My partners main downfall is he is selfless, but often to the wrong people or, to the detriment of himself and others. Your advice has helped me put things in perspective and that I do also need to be less selfless and consider myself and how this situation impacts me on what is a daily basis.

I have previously told him he doesn’t treat them like adults, the way he talks about them you would expect them to be very young and that maybe it’s time he should start treating them like adults, otherwise the behaviour and expectation of him to appease them to death will forever continue. He can’t protect them from everything and sometimes, it’s best not to protect your children to the extreme and allow a bit of hurt so they can learn and discover how to deal with situations and explore both their and other people’s emotions.

Again, I’m not a parent so I could be completely wrong!

OP posts:
StormTreader · 04/03/2019 12:20

So, has he promised to tell his daughter tomorrow? I really hope this all works out for you, it sounds like a horrible situation to feel stuck in.

NotTheFordType · 04/03/2019 12:30

I really hope he keeps his word OP.

Regarding to way he speaks about/to them, as if they're still children, encourage him to look into Transactional Analysis. He is still stuck in Adult>Child mode and he needs to get used to being in Adult>Adult mode. Obviously he will still be their dad and he will, for example, give more emotional/practical/financial support than he receives from them, but he needs to see them as functioning adults and relate to them accordingly.

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