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My partner isn’t telling his adult daughter about our relationship

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Juneburg · 22/02/2019 11:35

My partner and I have been together for two years and living together for just over one year. There is a slight age gap of 14 years and he has two children (18and 23) from his previous relationship.

He has told the son he is ‘seeing someone’ but has yet to tell the daughter.

My partner has said for several months that he will speak to his daughter, but she keeps cancelling plans and he ‘bottles’ out when he does get the opportunity. The relationship between them is complicated, from what I understand this is due to the ongoing conflict he and his ex had during their relationship, the family set up was mum and daughter v dad and son.

I have tried to support my partner as best I can, he has been told by friends and family that his daughter has been ‘slagging’ him off - telling people he is selfish and does not care for her. This couldn’t be further from the truth, he has made extreme sacrifices for her and maintains regular contact despite often being met with rude and uninterested responses. She constantly cancels plans for them to meet up and makes it difficult to rearrange.

Unfortunately, him not telling her is causing tension in our relationship.

His family remain very loyal to his ex-partner, inviting her to family meals, events and have said that they will not meet me until either he tells his ex-partner of our relationship or he tells the children. Some family members have even threatened to tell the ex/daughter if he doesn’t do it. He has no intention of discussing our relationship with the ex.

Because of this, I have started to feel quite isolated. I have only met his dad and one friend in the space of two years. And in turn, he is isolating himself. We cannot attend family events together, we cannot go to meals or parties. He goes alone or not at all.

Invitations are never extended to me, even if the children/his ex is not attending.

We are not able to visit the town where his family/friends live in fear we will be spotted by someone who would then relay information.

And then, you have the very minor things that ‘normal couples’ would do. We cannot have profile pictures, be overly public with our relationship or go to certain places. He’s reluctant to even change his profile pictures of photos I have taken of him in case someone asks where or who took it.

I do to an extent feel like a dirty secret.

It feels as if we have separate lives. He has ‘his’ life with his family and friends, and then there is ‘my’ life with him, it is not ‘our’ life. I do not have children or a large social circle due to moving to the area very late on in my life.

My partner has promised me for several months now that he will deal with this, he says he knows he has to because it isn’t fair on me or healthy for our relationship. I understand why he is perhaps nervous or worried of the reaction of his daughter, so I have tried my hardest to remain impartial and not allow the feelings of isolation and separate lives impact us, but it is very difficult.

He will say ‘I promise in two weeks, I will tell them’, three weeks pass and then we are back on to the promises again.

We want to get married and have our own child, but we are prevented from moving forward in our relationship until he tells his daughter. Many of our achievements have been celebrated together and not with others and we would like to be able to get engaged with the support and excitement from others.

My other concern is that if this continues any longer, it won’t be seen as a mature decision on deciding if there is longevity in our relationship but will be seen as a lie and this will cause even more issues. Our relationship is very serious, we live together - I would be hurt if my own parents had not informed me of such a serious relationship that has spanned over two years.

He has also said he is going to start putting me first. I have told him I don’t want to be ‘first’. I don’t want to be in a competition with his children for first place, in my mind, they come first but also that I am taken in to consideration.

I am not entirely sure what advice I am looking for, but not being a parent myself, I can only relate based on assumptions of the situation. I really love this man and asides from this, our relationship is incredible - however, the tension is building. I believe he is not telling his daughter based on fear.

OP posts:
another20 · 22/02/2019 16:30

OP how long were they separated before you got together - could your friendship and sharing info around the time of the breakup be seen as an EA? Was there any overlap - could others have seen you as OW.

another20 · 22/02/2019 16:43

Is the DD the 23 year old? I thought by her behaviour she was the 18 year old.

CaptainJaneway62 · 22/02/2019 17:04

I apologise for the cynical tone in advance....
IME The adult daughter is very likely going to be a major problem going forward...are you prepared to be even more isolated as she then ups the anti once she finds out that you are together?...seriously this is a very very stressful situation and a lot of relationships don't survive this kind of relentless negative pressure.

She is going to love to hate you and cause as much trouble as possible just because she can.....Unfortunately that's the way some people are wired...they will hold grudges till the day they die!

Your DP knows that this whole situation is going to be a living nightmare as he has already been living it. His EXW seems to be someone who has managed to involve her DD in her vendetta of hatred and also kept herself very close to your DP's family so much so that his family seem to have taken her side too...very selfish behaviour on her part.

Have a look at the Step parenting board and read some of the threads on there about similar situations. They will give you some idea of what you are up against going forward.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2019 17:05

If there was a valid reason, I would understand but there isn’t

Actually there could be a very good reason. You said earlier that "we want to get married", but given his attitude, just how sure are you that he's equally committed to the idea?

IME men who truly want to marry their partner do whatever it takes to make it happen - and it's not as if he needs to do much in this particular case. I'm sorry to say it, but sometimes alleged "stumbling blocks" like this can be little more than an awfully handy excuse

And sorry again, but if his son and other family members already know about you, it seems very unlikely his ex and DD are still unaware

Gina2012 · 22/02/2019 17:12

Our relationship is fantastic and I am very, very happy

But how can it be fantastic if he hides you so much?

Gina2012 · 22/02/2019 17:13

and allows me to integrate in to his family at a pace that works for us

Why the need for pace? I just don't get it.

Tell everyone, integrated, sorted

Gina2012 · 22/02/2019 17:14

I believe it is down to self preservation and protection and avoiding conflict.

But why would there be conflict?

woolduvet · 22/02/2019 17:14

Lots of excuses from him and lots of excuses from you.
Set yourself boundaries for this talk tonight, really decided where your limits are, or 8n another year you'll both still be making excuses.

another20 · 22/02/2019 17:21

If he is worried that he will lose his daughter if he tells her he has a GF - what on earth would happen if he told her he was living with someone, getting married, having a baby?

He’s not going to do this for you. On the face of it he has prioritised his irrational 23 year old DD over you and your desire for a family.

Juneburg · 22/02/2019 17:35

I am going to talk to him tonight. I’ve taken on board what everyone has said and it has opened up further questions for me, specifically in terms of our future and the promises. And I am going to find out what the reluctance is, if it is genuine fear or something else.

She’s 23, she can’t be that scary...

OP posts:
labazsisgoingmad · 22/02/2019 17:56

seeing someone? he is actually living with you! he needs to grow a backbone as he is supposedly the adult in the relationship and the parent sounds a loser to me

another20 · 22/02/2019 18:05

There are a couple of other points that PP have mentioned already that might be worth considering. You said he was living with his Dad and has/had financial issues - did he move into your accommodation or did you find something together. Are you equal financially - or are you paying more?

grinningcheshirecat · 22/02/2019 18:21

The daughter can dislike the fact his dad has a new partner

She might dislike the idea but she is going to be bloody furious that he has being lying to her for two years about the relationship and that you have been living together for a year. The conversation isn't "I have a gf" anymore, now he has to add that you live together, it's serious and you want children. For his daughter it will be a lot to get used to. It was really, really a bad idea to keep this from her for so long.

DPotter · 22/02/2019 18:32

I can't believe the XP and DD don't know (- 6 degrees of separation and all that) and that this in part could be why the DD is playing silly b's.

I think the pp who mentioned about his reluctance to marry being a factor either.
Sorry Juneberg but I would prefer myself to finding another bed for a while at least, because he doesn't sound like a good match for you

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2019 18:45

Good luck tonight, OP; I hope he'll finally be honest about what's causing his reluctance, but you might want to have an answer ready for if he just tries to spin things out again

Personally I'd want a firm date when she will be told, with no "it's a bad time", "I'm just waiting for ..." or anything else. This is your decision to make not mine, but I'm afraid I'd be gone if, after all this time, I didn't get it

Chimpfield · 22/02/2019 18:50

She’s 23, she can’t be that scary...

Oh I thought that, it was worse than I imagined, I thought I could cope with it, wish I had run before I got in so deep

0rangeB0ttle · 22/02/2019 19:25

He lies to his children, ex, wider family, friends. He never married his ex, so why would he marry you ? I would be wary of a future with this man. I would be wary of having children with this man. You need someone who will post photos on Facebook to celebrate your relationship, places you have been, your friends etc You deserve better

Fidgety31 · 22/02/2019 19:51

Op- I am in a similar position to yourself - except I don’t live with my boyfriend.
It’s been nearly 3 years and he won’t let me meet his 24 yr old daughter who lives with him.
The longer it’s gone on the harder it’s got. I’ve given up asking why/ for reasons etc.
I see him at my house, with my kids etc, but I don’t exist in his world . And we only live a few minutes away from each other !

But I’ve resigned myself to thinking it’s his problem to sort out now. I can’t be bothered with the hassle of it.

MsDogLady · 22/02/2019 20:02

You’ve been putting your life on hold and enabling him to indulge this spoiled, tyrannical 23 year old. Why are you willing to settle for so little?

Even if he does finally tell her, his unwillingness to make a stand and prioritize you will show up again and again, because his daughter, ex, and family will always push his buttons.

another20 · 22/02/2019 20:08

Fidgety31 is it only his daughter you haven’t met - or are you not part of the rest of his family and friends network as well? Does his DD know about you but just hasn’t met you?

Fidgety31 · 22/02/2019 20:16

another20 She knows if my existence - but I’m not sure in what context.
I’ve met friends - but there’s only a few anyway.

I think some men are just pathetic at dealing with stuff and leave it - then it becomes a bigger issue than it ever was in the beginning .

eddielizzard · 22/02/2019 20:45

I think he can't face the confrontation. It's not to protect his DD. It's to protect himself. You're right to issue an ultimatum as there's no future for a relationship that's not allowed to breathe.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 22/02/2019 21:22

Even if he does finally tell her, his unwillingness to make a stand and prioritize you will show up again and again, because his daughter, ex, and family will always push his buttons

Actually that's a very fair point. In the end this may not be so much about who knows who. as just what value the DP puts on their relationship

CantStopMeNow · 23/02/2019 02:11

He needs to understand that his daughter will continue to behave this way no matter what the 'reason' is.
He may as well just get it over with.

woolduvet · 23/02/2019 09:44

How did it go?

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