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Husband had an affair

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RDOlem · 05/02/2019 17:18

Just found out my husband has been having an affair and I'm devastated. I feel sick, I feel gutted and I feel absolutely heartbroken 😰
He told me about a fortnight ago he wasn't happy and hadn't been happy for a few months. Said he needed time to get his head together. I so didn't see it coming. I admit it hasn't been great, we've both been so busy. We have three small children, I had a lot of work pressures going on and he works away 3/4 days a week. We'd forgotten to make time for each other.
I was shocked with this revelation but gave him his time to get his head together, however on on Thursday he left his work phone behind and all became clear... my worst nightmare became a reality. He was having an affair with a work colleague 😰
When he got home and I challenged him, at first he denied it - but eventually admitted he was having an affair... he claims she started out as a confidante but developed into an intimate relationship. He tells me this only started a month ago...
I have never felt pain like it.
He's ended it with her and wants to repair and rebuild our marriage, but I feel he still has feelings for her. I love my husband but I bloody hate what he's done to me and our family. I'm numb 😰

OP posts:
Monday55 · 07/02/2019 00:13

Sorry this has happened to you OP. But he's taking you for a mug. He was preparing to run away with this OW, hence why he was telling you that he wasn't happy in your relationship 2 weeks ago. You confronted him head on about the OW and he denied everything the first time because he was willing to continue with this OW. If you never saw those texts he'd still be seeing her today and all those years to come. Don't be too soft on him otherwise you'd only be telling him exactly what he can get away with. He really needs to work hard to earn your trust.

MsDogLady · 07/02/2019 00:48

Justifying Affair
I had to run before, but was pointing out that nothing can justify his affair. Please do not accept one bit of blame. You said things weren’t great. Don’t you see, that was because he was already cheating, and his deception skewed everything in your relationship.

You try to justify him when you say you’d drifted apart, had work pressure, the children, and his working away. No. Those are common family circumstances, and most people, you included, manage to not have affairs in response. You surmised that OW gave him the attention he wanted. Diddums. @RDO, did you turn to another man for attention?

Their Plans
I agree with others that he and OW were biding their time until they could move in together. Your discovery threw a kink in their plan, possibly a temporary kink.

Look at the Sequence
He tells you that he isn’t happy and hasn’t been for months. He says he needs time to process, but doesn’t discuss his issues with you.* This means he was well into his affair with OW. He was setting the stage to leave you.

  • She leaves her husband and moves to her mother’s.

*.You discover their affair before their plan comes to fruition. They still need somewhere to live.

  • Scrambling, he manipulates you, saying all the right things so that he can stay in the family home for as long as he needs to. He was probably pretty sure that you wouldn’t kick him out.

  • They may be ‘laying low’ for now. His feelings for her have not vanished in a puff of smoke. Once the coast is clear, he may announce to you that ‘things still aren’t working’ before leaving.

Yes, he is a liar. Why would you believe anything he says? He was lying by omission when carrying on with OW and pretending to be a faithful husband. He lied at discovery and is still lying. A month? A lie.

A person who gets ‘sucked into an affair and then just goes along with it’ does not make deliberate plans to leave his family. He was totally into it 100%, and was willing to brutalize you and hurt the children. She was worth it to him. I don’t think that willingness to hurt you has gone up in smoke, either. He is still the man who was plotting against you a few days ago.

It is curious that while you are suffering greatly, you say that he seems to be doing ok. With respect, I believe he is taking you for a fool. He is a cruel, cold and calculating man who was happy to cheat on his loyal, unsuspecting wife.

I think you are making a grave mistake by not imposing consequences, by making him leave for a while. If you assert your boundaries in this way, he will see that you mean business and that he could lose you. If you don’t do this, you will be teaching him that you accept his contemptuous behavior.

Personally, I would not stay with my husband if he treated me so despicably. I wouldn’t be doing my daughter any favors by exposing her to an environment of mistrust and uncertainty.

It is very good that you are going to counseling. I hope that you have a skilled counselor and that it goes well.

RDOlem · 07/02/2019 05:58

@MsDogLady
Thank you so much. You have afforded me so much of your time and your words make so much sense.
After him being away for a couple of days we met up again last night and he agreed to answer all of my questions.
So - it's been going on since the start of November with a kiss.... apparently intimacy started before Christmas - and got more serious the month of January. He has admitted making plans to leave me for her. He tells me he wasn't going to come clean but Instead thought of leaving the family home and later announcing he'd met someone else. He claims he focused on everything bad between us to try to justify what he was doing was ok. He was leading a double life. Seeing her twice a week, living the single no children life, while carrying on here at home the rest of the week as normal. He put this OW before me and his children. He is a despicable human being. He is bitterly ashamed of what he's done. He needs help!

I believe he has told me the truth (perhaps spared my feelings in some parts) and i didn't even ask intimacy details - I just don't want to know 😢

I'm taking time to process this in my head.. how can the person who is supposed to love you the most do something as disgusting as this?
I feel sick to the pit of my stomach.
I hope I can recover from this... 😰

OP posts:
RDOlem · 07/02/2019 06:02

He also tells me he is glad to be found out. He claims this aftermath has been the worst week of his life but he feels relief at having no more lies. He claims although they had made these plans he could never have gone through with it. And he's glad this whole nightmare is finally over.

I don't feel any empathy for him - but have suggested he make an appointment with an individual counsellor which he will do.

OP posts:
MrsCatE · 07/02/2019 06:13

Flowers and a handhold. You've had some great advice here. I haven't any more to add but want to wish you all the best for the future. It may be a cliché but that doesn't meanbit's not true; time will heal. X

whynot93 · 07/02/2019 06:20

I wonder how the OW is feeling about him just dumping her right now? They were making plans to be together and now he's been rumbled he's dropped her like a ton of bricks! Don't get me wrong I have absolutely no sympathy for her but what sort of man is he?

I'd continue to have time apart to give yourself some headspace right now. If he's serious about making it work for you and your DC let him show you it. Sadly from experience I'd say there's more to the story.. when I was eventually contact by the OW nothing could have prepared me for her side of the story. These men really will say and do anything when thinking with their dicks 💁‍♀️

RDOlem · 07/02/2019 06:26

@whynot93 I hope she's hurting like hell 😰

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RDOlem · 07/02/2019 06:28

I have the OW number on my phone and when I asked him last night would he mind if I verified his story with her, he said I'd rather you didn't contact her but if that's what you need to do, then do it....

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Suresurelah · 07/02/2019 06:33

So he said it was only going on for one month and has now admitted that’s it been going on for three months......

He’s said he planned on leaving you....

But he’s glad he’s been truthful (it’s all about him then)

He needs to give you some space. IMO, I couldn’t get past the above, as it wasn’t a quick fling but a full on relationship....FFS, she’s left her husband for your DH.

Suresurelah · 07/02/2019 06:38

I would call her. But there would be no point doing that if you cannot remain calm.

You are in shock at the moment but he really needs a reality check.

I bet he’s loving the fact his OW is playing the pick me dance.

MsDogLady · 07/02/2019 06:46

He compartmentalized you both.

(Will write more later.)

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 07/02/2019 06:49

OP, the OW is highly unlikely to give you the facts - they will have got their story together and she will adhere to that as she will have no desire to alienate him at this stage. She will still be hoping that he will do as he promised her and leave you.

And his reaction to your contacting her suggests that they are still very much in touch and is concerned she may accidentally contradict his story. As a betting woman I would be unsurprised to learn that he has told her to stay calm and low profile while he sorts out an orderly exit from home.

Do you have full sight and access to the family finances? Be on high alert and start digging if you don't because this man is not your friend, no matter what he is claiming to be now.

crimsonlake · 07/02/2019 08:43

You poor thing and sorry this is happening to you, unfortunately this subject pops up all too frequently on here. The life you thought you had has gone and you will be in shock.
No one can advise you whether to stay with him or to separate, all people can do is tell you their own stories which make very sad reading.
The betrayal is the worst, he is not the person you thought he was and the trust is gone. The question is now can you live a life like that?
One thing I do agree from from experience is that it is easier on the children to part when they are young. I am now divorced, we went through a tough time when my children were small. As far as I know at the time he was not unfaithful but we stayed together as I felt I had no other option with 2 little ones. In reality I could have started my life over and probably resurrected my career and moved on. Fast forward 10 years and when we did eventually split up as I had been a sahm for most of that time I was in a much more vulnerable situation.
If you do decide to stay with him, make sure you are independently financial stable going forward. If you are not working already get a job, build a career, make sure you are not financially dependent on him going forward. If he has been controlling the finances, make sure you are aware of everything, passwords etc, do not allow yourself to be in a financially vulnerable situation.
Regarding the affair, yes he will have given you his version of the event for damage limitation. Have you checked through his bank statements / credit card bills or expense invoices through work, this may give you an indication of any unusual spending and perhaps you can see how far back it actually went.
Lastly ask yourself where you see yourself in 5 years, what kind of a life do you want for yourself and your children?

SandyY2K · 07/02/2019 09:15

Don't bother calling her. That gives her too much power. Treat her as insignificant. She is not the problem.

I don't mean she's not in the wrong. She is... but it could have been any other woman.

It was a really short affair to make plans to leave you though. Not saying it's not possible...but if in his mind your marriage was so bad to be making future plans... the U turn is worrying... in that how can you believe him.

I mentioned Surviving infidelity in my first post.. your H needs to join too. There's a lot of support from other wayward spouses... he won't have abuse hurled at him...but he will be challenged on his behaviour.

He wanted to leave you probably with the line of I love you but I'm not in love with you.

Many betrayed wives, get into the situation of not being happy and not wanting the marriage...but not wanting him to go to the OW.

I can understand that... because especially in your position where they were making plans... and now her H has said it's over... he would probably go straight to her.

If he could answer you honestly.. I wonder what his response would be if you asked whether he'd go to her if you decided it was over.

However....best not to ask if you're afraid of the answer.

I think it's positive he told you she asked to meet up with him. I still think there are contradictions in his answers. On one hand he planned to leave and introduce her as a new relationship... then he says he's glad you found out...he also says he wouldn't have gone through with it.

Yet I know MM who have gone as far as househunting with the OW and not left the marriage.

Like lots of MM in affairs...he's thrown the OW under a bus on DDay.

IAmWonderWoman · 07/02/2019 09:19

And he's glad this whole nightmare is finally over.

But it isnt. Now the nightmare is yours. Be careful he doesn’t now want to sweep the whole thing under the carpet and move on.

The whole speech is just Me Me Me, none of it was about your feelings.

SandyY2K · 07/02/2019 09:22

He claims he focused on everything bad between us to try to justify what he was doing was ok.

That's good of him to admit and realise.

He was leading a double life.
Seeing her twice a week, living the single no children life, while carrying on here at home the rest of the week as normal.
I'm sure he feels ashamed and rightly so. On the plus side he's not blaming you on discovery and he's apologetic....which is the least he can do...but many don't.

He put this OW before me and his children.

How is he going to put this right? He needs to do some serious work on this.

Suggesting IC was good.

His actions going forward are what will play a very large part in you healing.

Pinkmonkeybird · 07/02/2019 09:29

He has admitted making plans to leave me for her. He tells me he wasn't going to come clean but Instead thought of leaving the family home and later announcing he'd met someone else.

That's the typical plan - my ex-OH was planning this. It's very common as it is their way of 'saving face' and trying to make out things were not happening before.

He claims he focused on everything bad between us to try to justify what he was doing was ok.

Oh yes, another part of The Script.

If he is intent on rebuilding things and making amends he needs to cut this OW totally out of his life. Move jobs and attend relationship counselling with you, living in an open and transparent manner. It can be done - I have a friend who went through the same - but in a lot of cases, it doesn't work unless the cheating partner is fully committed.

SandyY2K · 07/02/2019 09:29

And he's glad this whole nightmare is finally over.

Agree with the pp... its now your nightmare.

A lot of the things he's saying are textbook... the nightmare where he was planning to leave you is over.

I don't believe him on that point.

He was enjoying his affair, until you found out.

Travisandthemonkey · 07/02/2019 11:17

I think sometimes the problem lies where you think you have won. He has chosen you.
But he’s been despicable to both of you. You more so. But he is the kind of man who can lie to two people and then royally dump one of them. It’s clear that as she told her husband and is no longer with him that she felt this was much more serious. And people don’t feel that way unless someone else has led them to believe their feelings are mutual.

This isn’t sticking up for her, it’s looking at what kind of man can do that to two people.

Chinks123 · 07/02/2019 15:09

@Travisandthemonkey you’re spot on!

RDOlem · 07/02/2019 17:42

I can't thank you all enough, your support has got me through these last two days. I'm taking time to myself now, am seeing my counsellor on Monday and putting myself and children first.
You have kept me afloat, thank you xx

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rosabug · 07/02/2019 18:42

Hi - I'm going to be a little blunt....you seem like a lovely person, but I will hazard that you don't know the half of it. Your husband will be lying. It will have gone on longer and no - he won't of been 'pulled' into it, he'll have gone in willingly - even looking for it. Unfaithful partners (men and women) lie lie and more lies.

He's "doing ok" because he doesn't feel a tiny percent of what you are going through. I would even suggest that a faked text conversation between them is easy to do. He's doing okay - because he's got it (you) under control. It's not over - you desperately want it to be over - but it's rarely that straight forward.

Get this - when I found out about my partners affair - I rang the OW a couple of times and was very angry. To cover herself from me telling her husband she told him in advance that I was nuts and accusing her of having an affair with my partner - he believed her!!! She then suggested they continued the affair! - I think my partner knew the game was up - however, I don't think if I had not made such a god awful noise he would have stopped. We split up anyway in the end.

I will also say this. My partner had a 4 year affair, our daughter was a teenager at the time. I know this - he would never had done it when our daughter was young. We were committed to our little family. 3 young children and he does this to you? He is not a nice man. I'm sorry I just think it's really cruel. Wake up. Get tough.

rosabug · 07/02/2019 18:52

Sorry OP - just read over my post - I was a bit rough. I'm sorry you are going through this - it's nightmare - I've been there. Make sure you have some support and take it a day at a time. Flowers

MsDogLady · 08/02/2019 01:21

Treachery. A double life. Keeping both of you in ‘separate rooms’. Only he has the key. What a bone-chilling violation of your love, trust and loyalty.

@RDO, how is he behaving to you? Does he seem remorseful for how he has crushed you, showing empathy for your suffering? Or is he “bitterly ashamed” because he has failed himself, The Man in the Mirror.

He may not be a full-blooded Narcissist, but he certainly has been displaying narcissistic behaviors, including compartmentalization, possessing two separate realities to serve his selfish purposes, moving between them with ease. Choosing to be Husband/Family Man one day and Single Man the next.

He has been strongly attracted to the power of the affair—the secrecy, emotion, sex, and whatever the OW represents to the Man in the Mirror. He has rationalized and minimized to justify the affair and live in the moment. He refused to consider or care about the massive betrayal of you and his children. His callous disregard is staggering.

You’re right, he did prioritize the OW. He was happy to collude with her, and planned to tell his little children that he would be leaving their home. When he interacted with them and with you, he was filled with deception. He had a secret life.

He brought OW into your sex life, and robbed you of your consent. I certainly wouldn’t consent to have sex with a man who was sleeping around.

So their plan was for him to abandon you and and then pretend later that he’d met OW. Nice. It is easy to say now that he wouldn’t have gone through with it.

Certainly the first box on their agenda had been checked—the OW left her husband. He likely would have eventually left you. He had already distanced himself, and he was on a roll with her. She changed her life for him! Or, if he had decided that it served him better to stay, he would have just continued his cowardly affair. Regardless, you caught him unawares, his plan was thwarted or postponed, and he had to face his brutalization of you.

Is he still lying?

It is telling that he initially lied at discovery. His first reaction was to protect OW and the affair, until he realized that you had proof. He is still protecting her and trying to assert control by asking you to not contact her.

What did you previously mean by ‘after a day of trepidation’ he decided to stay with you. Was he upset about having to choose? Did he need a whole day to decide?

I don’t know how much of a real conscience your husband has, or how much empathy. His entire confessional yesterday could have been another performance of deception to keep you onside until he and OW regroup.

I don’t know if his “bitterly ashamed” is authentic remorse for your pain, or regret that his self-image is now tarnished. After all, he has proven to be egocentric. If the remorse is for devastating you and your marriage, will it be be enough to effect change and prevent a repeat? His weak boundaries and sense of entitlement are still there.

Read the posts by @MrSorry as a model of a man working to learn why he cheated and how he now protects his fidelity.

higgyhog · 08/02/2019 10:43

My recent experience ( but in a different scenario) of being lied to by someone I trusted tells me that someone very plausible can tell lies about lies about lies. The man in question (and this is the only reason I'm posting on this thread) told me that he had been seeing the woman in question for 3 months, when it was 3 years, that she was a deranged heavy drinker with an unstable character and that he was ending the reklationship. She was in fact a deluded but quite normal person who was deeply in love with him, and he has told her the same. I know the warning signs now and won't get burned again.

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