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Ending engagement

93 replies

SoonTwoBeOne · 05/01/2019 22:01

I’m due to be married in 3 weeks. We are in the midst of a huge row (we never normally row) and I’m questioning whether to end it. I’m a bit terrified of asking on here as the normal response is LTB and that is easier said than done.
Long but don’t want to drip feed.

He has been moody for a few weeks; nothing major but just not his normal kind, thoughtful self. I think we’ve both felt stressed. Over Christmas I found myself irritated with him but we are talking petty stuff.

He angrily told my 16 yr old to Fuck off last night, without warning and after a silly sulky teen comment. We do not swear in front of her, I don’t think flying off the handle is an appropriate adult response. So I said there’s no need for that. She held back tears. I took dogs out and she came with me. Normally I’d go with him and she’d stay home so I imagine he felt slighted. My view on that is that she needed me to talk to her as she was upset ...more than he did. I have to choose one and it was the child. He then ignored us all evening.

I was in an abusive marriage and my ex used to have a quick temper and I was usually trying to prevent him going for my DC by constantly appeasing. Eldest DC (now an adult) is quite anxious as a consequence and I blame myself for not leaving sooner. This is obviously influencing my reaction to last night. He knows this.

I went to bed early and didn’t say goodnight. Again not normal behaviour and he’s taken a real insult from this and apparently is the cause of his behaviour today. So he gets up and leaves quietly at 8ish and goes to work. He has a casual part-time job, chooses his own hours and never works on a Saturday. I was dozing as I’d been awake in the night (a lot). During the day I texted him to ask if he would be coming to a planned evening with friends tonight. He said no...accompanied by several childish petty comments. I said I’d cancel (can hardly go on my own without explaining his absence or lying) we need to talk, when are you free. Ignores me. He stays out until 5ish and as soon as he comes in collects the dog, ignores me and goes out to walk him. I intercept at front door and say the adult way to deal is to talk. He says he’s been at work! I say don’t play games as we both know he doesn’t normally work or come in and go straight out. When he comes back much later I suggest we go out to talk (for privacy from DD) and said we need to behave like adults. He says he will but only if I’m ready to talk sensibly. I said I was ready to talk sensibly earlier and he said it was better if he didn’t because he wasn’t ready. All of this is said angrily. He then makes no move to go and talk. I’ve asked him to three or four times at this point and am not going to ask again. He goes to bed at 8:30.

Eventually I go in as light is on and ask him how long this will continue for. He is so so angry and said it’s up to me. He says he reserves the right to tell DD to fuck off as she is only 16 and is a liar. She’s not. It was a silly teenage exaggeration of what he said. I.e he said you’ll get fat if you eat that and she said he implied I was fat Being fat is a big issue and worry for her.

The prelude to the argument is petty. It’s the result and reaction that is frightening me. I’m determined to not be appeasing apologetic abused wife again so I’m standing my ground about him shouting at DD with no justifiable reason. I am however trying to instigate conversation. He’s not budging. Impasse.

It’s left with him telling me if I want to press the nuclear button (no wedding) I’d better think carefully as there will be no coming back. Tbh that’s fine by me because if I say that... I agree there is no coming back.

The background picture here is money. I work full time in a very good job and own the house we live in. He pays half of the bills but it took several months for him to start doing that. He does pay for other stuff and isn’t a penny pincher but nonetheless he’s getting £1200 rent from his place of which I see nothing. However I don’t want to share the mortgage or ownership of this property as it is my security. So I don’t really want contributions to the mortgage. If we split he has nowhere to go until tenants are moved on. He will also lose that money which he relies on.

The wedding has been paid for on credit card in my name purely because only one person could be on the application. The idea that I carry all the debt sits uncomfortably with me. I’m very good with money. He is less so but is also very comfortable with a good pension £1200 a month, rent income and also part-time earnings. I suspect he earns as much as me but doesn’t have a mortgage of £1000 a month to pay. He has a mortgage on his house but is only paying interest. In 6-7 yrs he has to rely on selling to pay it off or inheritance (it’s very likely he’ll do both easily but again this bothers me as I forward plan really carefully). He does voluntarily pay for a lot of things like social tickets, treats, meals etc.

We have been really happy, we like the same hobbies however he hasn’t engaged as much lately seeming to be tired. I really don’t know whether I should go through with the wedding. Pre-wedding jitters or red flags?

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 05/01/2019 22:05

Don't marry him, for Christ's sake

babbi · 05/01/2019 22:06

Major red flag ... sorry .. I wouldn’t marry anyone who spoke to my daughter like that ...
End it and move on ... good luck .., I know it will be hard ....

itsalloverforanotheryear · 05/01/2019 22:06

Personally I wouldn't marry him. He could take you to the cleaners if you end up getting divorced. He sounds mean with money, you aren't on an equal footing where that is concerned. Plus the pettiness he's started seems odd. My guess is he doesn't want the marriage to go ahead and rather than have the banks to say so he instigated and prolonged this argument, thereby forcing you into making a decision.

Put your DC first, there'll always be other men.

MintyCedric · 05/01/2019 22:09

Don't do it. Having ended an emotionally abusive marriage a few years myself your post made my blood run cold.

If I was about to marry a guy that suddenly started treating me as you describe I'd be absolutely terrified.

Weenurse · 05/01/2019 22:11

Pull the pin and hope he is reasonable

HyggeHeart · 05/01/2019 22:12

Don't marry. To not be willing to admit that swearing at your daughter was wrong and to be twisting it to be her fault is a minor red flag. As is sulking for this long and avoiding an adult discussion.

HyggeHeart · 05/01/2019 22:12

Major!

Ianhislopsconscience · 05/01/2019 22:14

Jesus! Run!
If someone told my child to fuck off their feet wouldn’t touch the ground on the way out.
The financial things are very worrying indeed. This is not a partnership.
Run for the hills. Your daughter will thank you.

Stardustinmyeyes · 05/01/2019 22:16

Call the engagement off.
His behaviour is terrible

Chocolate85 · 05/01/2019 22:19

Leave leave leave! Do you really want to marry someone who speaks to your DD like that? Teen girls are over sensitive and emotional and sometimes unreasonable, you need someone who can cope with that. Your DD is at a very impressionable age so be careful about what you teach her is acceptable behaviour in a relationship. Cancel everything you can and give him the bill for any money you loose. You might loose the money but it’ll be worth it.

SoonTwoBeOne · 05/01/2019 22:21

Hmm fairly conclusive so far. Had I read all of that from another poster I’d say the same. The only things stopping me was the fact this is completely out of character for him.

If you’d spoken to me two months ago I’d have told you what a lovely man he is, he’s been absolutely fabulous to and for my daughter. She adores him and is really pleased we are (were) getting married. Everyone is thrilled for us. We have been together for 7 happy yrs

I am obviously looking at the fall out from this. It’s a big decision and I am sure I will review it as “was it the right one” because I am losing a man who loved me, loved my child and was generous in so many many ways. He accepted my need to remain financially independent and pays for stuff on the house without having any claim over it. This is all totally unexpected.

OP posts:
Surfingtheweb · 05/01/2019 22:21

How long have you been together?

SoonTwoBeOne · 05/01/2019 22:22

7 years

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TheHodgeoftheHedge · 05/01/2019 22:28

Hmm fairly conclusive so far. Had I read all of that from another poster I’d say the same. The only things stopping me was the fact this is completely out of character for him.

Except you talk extensively of the inequality in your financial arrangements and situation. So it isn’t just his reaction here, is it?

Please protect yourself and your daughter and don’t marry this man.

Fortheloveofscience · 05/01/2019 22:29

Postpone the wedding but don’t LTB if this is totally uncharacteristic. You need more time to find out which version of him you’d be spending the rest of your life with, and if it’s the angry, sulking, childish one who thinks it’s acceptable to lose their temper at a child then LTB and count it as a lucky escape.

It sounds like you’re a great mother to your DD Flowers.

SoonTwoBeOne · 05/01/2019 22:31

I’m feeling utterly drained by the shock of all this and off to bed to try and sleep. Will catch up in the morning.

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EveryNameistaken1111 · 05/01/2019 22:32

I give a point of view from your daughter! Similar man in my mums life who would make ‘Throwaway’ comments about looks, weight, success (or lack of), personality - just any excuse for a negative comment. Would throw his toys out of the pram If mum defended me or even dared to text me in his company. I know we’re not the parents so maybe less authority in some people’s eyes but as an older child we see when our parents are getting treated badly and this sounds exactly that! Stay close to your daughter and please don’t let him jeopardise that. Wishing you the best that you and your family deserve.

Moffa · 05/01/2019 22:33

Your financial independence/situation becomes virtually irrelevant if you marry anyway?

Do you need to get married to him?

frazzledasarock · 05/01/2019 22:38

Sure he’s nice to you. He’s living I your house working part time with a massive income and far less outgoings then if he were single.

You’re racking up debt to marry him in your sole name which is giving going to give him a joint claim to your assets.

What’s not to be nice about?

Can you get money back from the wedding? I’d cancel the wedding and never ever put myself into debt (especially under my sole name) for a wedding.

ISdads · 05/01/2019 22:43

What???
I thought this might be hard but it's really easy. He sounds a total nob. If you marry without a prenup you are financially at risk as well. This one just sounds a different kind of nob to the last one. Do your daughter a favour and get rid.

LatentPhase · 05/01/2019 22:50

I’m also thinking that in terms of financial independence marriage will end that?

Have there never been incidents like this before? Seems odd for something like this to suddenly happen?

I would be thinking wedding isn’t the right thing (for maybe the next five years!) but would be seeing how this can be resolved first.

But I would not be throwing marriage into the discussion unless this can’t be resolved.

Daisymay2 · 05/01/2019 22:59

Agreed- call the wedding off.
You are getting the debt for the wedding and he gets half your house.... You work full time him part time.

MotorcycleMayhem · 05/01/2019 23:01

In 7 years, is this the first foot he's seriously put wrong with regards your daughter? As in a major issue?

If so I'd give him slightly more benefit of the doubt on that front than PP.

The financial situation is unpleasant, but clearly no shock as it's been in the offing for some time. I'd be as uncomfortable as you about it though.

Definitely ask him what the hell is going on. A huge shift in behaviour on MN usually brings wails of "he's having an affair".

tubspreciousthings · 05/01/2019 23:09

I agree with pps - if this isn't normal for him you need to sit down with him and ask him what's going on, that this isn't normal for him etc.

FWIW I'd be postponing the wedding at the very least - you need to be very sure you're doing the right thing and no amount of promises after these behaviours/reactions would convince me within such short timescales

HollowTalk · 05/01/2019 23:15

He shouldn't have spoken to your daughter like that. She's hardly going to be looking forward to the wedding, is she? I imagine her stomach is hurting at the thought of him always being in her life.

But why are you in that position re money? Why are you the only one paying for the wedding? Why are you marrying someone who only has a part-time job?

He's clearly terrible with money if he's receiving rent but is only paying the interest on the mortgage. Where's that money going?

He's a cocklodger and he's shown his true colours with your daughter. You'd be a fool to marry him.