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MIL - Am I overreacting?

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user1478811493 · 03/01/2019 20:58

Hey! I would like to seek advice on a delicate yet frustrating situation. I've seen a few posts about a similar thing, but I thought I would write my own experience as a cry for help. The MIL. (although me and OH are not married)

We've been together for 3 years, and moved into a rental house just over a year ago. This is his first time being away from his mum (he's 29) but not my first time. (Moved out when I was 20)

He = the BF and she = the MIL to make things easier to read.

He is her only child. Although he has siblings on his dads side. It's basically only ever been them two throughout the majority of his life. But she has completely wrapped him up in cotton wool, that he can't do anything. No DIY skills, no common sense with certain things, doesn't know how to clean etc. If he has a headache, she'll throw him some of her morphine tablets. If his neck hurts, she'll come out with things like ''Oh meningitis is going around'' She seems to hold some kind of manipulative spell over him as well. They are very close, and that I would never ever like to change.

Shes one of those people who appears disabled when in public, but swans around her house when no other people are around. (I dislike that in people) and she will use the ''IM DISABLED'' card. She is no more disabled than my own mother, who is quietly suffering from severe arthritus. Oh, in fact, I even mentioned my mum to her and her response was ''OH IVE GOT THAT'' which she doesn't! OK, I'm ranting onto irrelevent subjects now.

The issue is this.

This woman is the most overbearing person I have ever met. Anyone who has met her has said the same. (My family and a friend were helping us move, as was she) Just being around her for 5 minutes feels like forever.

After we moved in, he instantly gave her a key. Without asking me, although I don't mind for emergencies.

Anyways, a good thing is she never just shows up without a phone call first. But she does use her key and does show up when we are not here (After calling him to warn him first)

Even if we are in, she barges in. But again, we are expecting her.

She comes over every Friday after work, and Sunday morning. She does this because she collects his washing.

She brings him his toiletries, boxers, socks, new tops, shower gels, razers, the lot. When she is here, she will moan that the place is untidy and will clean despite me saying I'm doing it tomorrow. (Saturday usually)

He is very lazy, and I have absolutely no doubt that this is because of her. She used to clean his room before he moved out for goodness sakes!!

And she has cleaned this house when we haven't been here before. I got back from work one day and she was here. The first thing she came out with was ''I havent been upstairs, I wouldn't do that''
That in itself was suspicious. I keep the doors closed upstairs just incase.

We hosted a bbq for one of their family members, and she literally took over. I just went very inwards and quiet. I was so uncomfortable.

She also tells us to get a cleaner. She has mentioned this maybe 5 times. I tried to tell him to firmly tell her no but she will do it again.
She took our oven gloves away once to clean. But we never received them back because she deemed them too unclean! They were not in bad condition as they were only a year old! She's done this with few items.

There was an occasion where he told me she was coming over, but I was in the house on my own, needing to wash my hair. I was too scared to shower because she would have barged in as she didn't know I was there. Yeah she barged in. Good thing I delayed my shower.

I try to go to my mums anytime she's over now because I'm too tired to be dealing with it.

There was one Sunday, she was calling him at 9am (They had plans for him to go to hers for dinner at 12pm). We were both asleep due to a late night and ofc, ITS SUNDAY. He slept through the calls and she immediately called my phone. I muted it to sleep in. We got up at 9.30ish. He had 8 missed calls and I had 4!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like who does that!!!!!!!! She was just checking he was going to hers at 12, despite them discussing it the evening before.

And now, she's invited herself over this weekend to ''Clean my house''

My house isnt untidy in the slightest. It's just LIVED in. But I can't discuss this with him because he will take offense and just say ''she's just trying to help'' and OK, maybe I am being selfish here, I am unsure. But i dont feel comfortable with it, nor do I want her cleaning everytime shes here.

On new years eve, we had plans. Our friends were coming over and we would go to the local pub for 10ish. My mum and her partner was also at the pub as it's their local too. Well our plans didn't work out because his mum decided to go to the pub too. (She barely ever goes out) She called him and told him to get to the pub because she was surprising him by being there. So he did, whilst I waited for our friends because they were leaving the cars at mine. By the time they were all here, we walked straight to the pub. His mum left an hour later as she was tired.
Shortly after she left, my mum told me that she had been moaning because I was late??? My mum no longer has respect for her due to what she was saying. (It's rare for my mum to dislike someone) Bottom line is, she knew what our plans were and she expected us to drop them. We were due to go to the pub at 10ish and instead had to get there for 8 to accommodate her, discarding all of the games we had planned prior to the pub. How that makes me late, I do not know!!!

If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. I want to get over this because for his sake, I cant have this turning into resentment. I used to adore this lady, but now she is under my skin and it's building up!

I can't talk to him about it because it will hurt him and he will instantly become defensive. I can't talk to her, because of the same thing. Maybe I just need to get over it? xx

OP posts:
Mix56 · 05/01/2019 16:02

You need to ask him who he wants to live with ? You or his Mummy ?
Part of growing up, setting up house, have a partner with whom your finances, & joint responsibilities are linked, is moving away from Mummy/Daddy.
You cannot have her barging in & taking over your home, there are no boundaries. You wanted a relationship with him, not her

sonjadog · 05/01/2019 16:06

He said he was willing to go some chores? Well, how nice of him. Doing a few things in the house that he lives in.

Seriously, he sounds like he has the maturity of a young teen.

subspace · 05/01/2019 17:34

His response.... "she's my mother there are no boundarys" and now he isn't talking to me!!!!

ShockShockShock

Well done you for talking to him, seeing the situation as it is, and for making sensible plans to depart it. You're strong Flowers

I read the above comment and had visions of her cuddling up to you two in bed at night, seeing as there are "no boundaries" and/or overseeing your sex life with a megaphone telling you the best position to conceive/please him in, and telling you to stop being so lazy and bounce. Somebody please pass me the brain bleach

HeebieJeebies456 · 05/01/2019 18:23

No boundaries huh?
Well two can play that game til you move out!

I'd first tell her in plain english to stop as it's NOT her home and it's taking the piss.
If she argues i'd tell her bluntly she's raised a man-child and you're now having to do the job SHE should have done.
When she ignores and carries on regardless, i'd antagonise and piss her off as much as possible both overtly and passive aggressively.
I'd start with being butt naked every time she comes round!
Play loud music, have loud conversations with your friends on speakerphone about the utter batshitness of them both, follow her like a shadow taking things off her/moving them/putting them back, stand in her way and deliberately undo whatever it is she's done.
If she's hoovering/washing up etc i'd get her attention, deliberately spill something and then TELL her "clean that - and while you're at it you can wipe your ds's arse too".
Invite your friends round and carry on as if she weren't there.
When she's leaving "what? You're not staying? You don't want to sleep in my bed and take over my role there too?"

I know it's immature and whatever but i've met mothers and man-children like this and I have absolutely no patience or tolerance for them whatsoever - especially not in my home.
Hopefully man-child will fuck off back to her house asap.

deadliftgirl · 05/01/2019 18:42

Without reading all the replies, your problem is not with your MIL but with your partner.

All the things you have said about the MIL is crazy, over the top and just weird! However, she is acting this way because her son is letting her and is not placing boundaries between your relationship, home and her. You need to have a serious conversation with your partner about this. You just need to be calm, non emotional and talk presently to your partner about this.

I would simply say that you respect his mum and love her. You appreciate what she does, the advice she gives and that he had a mother who wants to come over regularly. However, you just feel she is over doing things a bit and that there needs to be boundaries. Ask him how he would feel if your mum or dad or someone else in your family started acting in the same way as she was. This is your home as well and you need to feel secure in it and your partner should respect that.

Tell your partner that you appreciate her advice but you are struggling to comprehend the way she is talking about your home and how unclean it is. Ask him if he generally believes the house is unclean and if he does then maybe try to keep the house cleaner so she cant say anything but e all live in a messy house at times.

If you do not get some boundaries in place just think what will happen when you have kids or plan a wedding. Can you imagine being told what to do about every aspect of your wedding or raising your kids?

I also think you should show her that you can look after him now. Next time she comes to collect his washing just say casually oh its fine, I handled it, I am doing his washing now and I bought him all the things he needs! You just sit down and relax and I will make you a cup of tea. Just be calm and act so natural when your saying this!

You cannot let her know that this is bothering you. If your partner asks about the washing or something then just say I am just trying to make things easier for your mum, she cant do your washing forever!

You need to find small ways to set boundaries but more so your partner really needs to talk to her. She can come over but not like twice a week. My mum will arrange plans like 3 days in advance if she is coming over.

I hope this advice helps you.

Missingstreetlife · 05/01/2019 18:58

I'd leave cos this is intractable.
If you must stay get your key back or change locks and don't give her a key again for any reason. She should be invited to come over.
Move far away, to another country if poss or she will always be in your way.
Never have kids it will be a nightmare.
Some people can manage this, my friend looks after her grandchild by arrangement with the parents and sometimes helps in the house by agreement. She would never go without consent.
Your bf is not going to change so run.

Strawberry2017 · 05/01/2019 19:05

Do not have kids with this man!
MIL will probably invite herself to move in! X

subspace · 05/01/2019 19:20

@deadliftgirl the thread has moved on a bit from wherever you read up to. Wink Sadly it's become clear it's beyond just trying to keep things a bit tidier. X

ZenNudist · 05/01/2019 19:59

Well I was coming on here to tell you a tale about an ex friend and her mummy's boy bf but I see you have already made a decision to get the hell out. GOOD FOR YOU!

The mummy's boy I knew got to 36 before my friend moved in with him where she discovered there was no washing machine because his mum picked up his laundry and did it all for Him. He also spent a lot of time at her house doing chores for her so at least it was reciprocal.

My friend was very into cleaning so she stopped the mum from coming round and cleaning her house. And by the end of the relationship she had got him into doing his own laundry. He was very commitment phobic and for the whole of their relationship planned to set up home where his mum could move in with them. My friend actually bought into this dream with him but the lack of commitment drove them apart anyway.

Leaving now at the age of 30 does seem to be the most sensible thing to do because you can take a few more years and start another relationship with someone else leaving you plenty of time to get married and have children. Wasting any more years with this man is not a good idea you have to many fundamental problems to resolve.

One word of warning is that when my friend left her mummy's boy he did see the light and promise to change. It was too little too late for her.

I'd be very wary of giving him a chance to change I think his way of life is too ingrained already. The new boundaries comment says it all. Have you flip it round and explain to him that he would not like to have your family living in your pockets all the time.

Giraffey1 · 05/01/2019 20:13

TheEndOfIt speaks wise words - as do everyone else on this thread. I hope you manage to extricate yourself from this unhealthy relationship swiftly.

FromBadToWorse · 05/01/2019 20:46

I left my exh after wasting prime years of my life. exMIL and exh don't believe they needed any boundaries or something is wrong with their setup (even now). They feel that I'm the one who couldn't fit in a normal family and was trying to separate his mum from him. Any basic request for privacy was considered an attack towards his mum.

I gave up in the end as there was an incident when I told him that I will not ever see his mum. I asked how it impacts having kids and issues related from this animosity. He said his mum can have the baby on alternate days. In his mind, his share of 50% from our relationship, he was happy to allocate it to MIL. And there was two women fighting for his time and resources. So I left as there was no hope in a man who couldn't see what was wrong with that. That is how fucked up it was. Yours might not believe that himself but if his dear mommy asked for it, I highly doubt he wouldn't want to comply serving your kids up to her for her happiness.

But also, exh was weak who would give in to the woman who shouted louder. So I had to press upon him harder than she would and it became an unhealthy cold battle that was eating me up everyday.

I've never been happier in my home since I left. Save yourself from some real long term damaging pain.

Orchidflower1 · 05/01/2019 21:06

Hope you get things sorted op. Even though he’s clearly not going to work out it must still be stressful.

powkin · 05/01/2019 21:29

Sadly this could be written about my mum. Luckily she lives 200 miles away and does not have a key to my house (she cut herself one previously). The same guilt trips are used. My poor DH has put up with a lot :(

I think the only slight defence I’d give the partner is that he has grown up with 29 years of this being completely normal. It can be very hard to understand and start to grasp how abnormal your own upbrinfing is, especially if you’ve not had much close contact with any other family’s dynamics. It took me a really long time to understand that other families aren’t like mine, and even with a lot of therapy and hard work my family still constantly push my boundaries (I am pregnant, so that’s fun). My mum has experienced traumatic events in her life which I believe exacerbated this hygiene focussed OCD/controlling/narcissistic behaviour, but elements have been there from childhood I think. She has never, and I assume never will, talk to a professional about, so I’ve had to decide for myself what I’m prepared to live with and what I’m not. It’s a constant battle though.

It is possible for boundaries to be made and changed and for relationships to improve, but he needs to want that for himself. I find my mum’s behaviour completely overwhelming, infuriating and extremely upsetting at times, he clearly doesn’t see it that way. Perhaps losing you will be the catalyst for change if he wants it to be, but at 29 I think they’d probably need family therapy for that to be at all successful. It feels like you’d already started to get sucked into her narrative and doubt your own convictions and gut instincts, so I think getting some space is a definite must. Even if you love him at the very least taking a break and not living together and seeing if he can change would be the only way forward.

Good luck with everything, you have my deepest sympathies.

TheEndofIt · 05/01/2019 21:33

It sounds like the scales have fallen from your eyes & you are seeing his true colours for the first time.........but it's taken a year of living with him to realise this.

If a relationship ends, it's important to understand our role in it. What are your boundaries like, OP? Are you assertive? Good at protecting/asserting yourself?

This guy & his mother have a totally bizarre relationship, which 99% of us would have spotted long before now & dumped him.

I think you need to seriously examine your role in the dysfunction, that you have accepted this without challenge.

I'm not sure what your relationship history is, but please take steps in the future to filter out the shit.

powkin · 05/01/2019 21:50

@TheEndofIt I agree with much of what you are saying but I think it is a bit harsh in tone. Perhaps my own experience makes me say that but I’m not sure “99%” of people who have left instantly, and in a situation like this where two people are enmeshed it can quickly become a situation where you feel perhaps you are the one BU/overreacting.

Having said that I hope op can take the time to figure out her own bottom lines and boundaries, hopefully it’ll be easier away from someone that is so unboundaries themselves.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2019 22:17

"she's my mother there are no boundarys"

Well, he couldn't have made it clearer could he? As everyone expected, his childlike enmeshment with mummy is something he's choosing and he hasn't the least intention of ending it

Just be very grateful you didn't have children with this complete sap

powkin · 06/01/2019 10:58

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GreenTulips · 06/01/2019 12:33

Has she turned up OP?

Kumali · 06/01/2019 13:22

You're doing the right thing. I Had one of these... He used to text her that he'd arrived OK... at mine which was just up the road!! She used to give him a massage if he was achey, and just like your man child, she came first... And boy was she happy when we split up...dont waste your time.

waywardfruit · 06/01/2019 13:44

I know a mum-and-son set-up like this.

He's had a series of relationships that last 2 or 3 years and will end up living with the GF in her house, but clearly Mum sticks her oar in once too often and after a while I see from FB that he's out with his mum at a restaurant, on holiday, whatever and no GF in sight.

He's pushing 40 now, and I don't think he'll ever change. And I'm assuming neither will she.

labazsisgoingmad · 06/01/2019 13:50

sounds a mummys boy my daughter moved in with her then boyfriend he was a total wimp mummy did everything for him washing cooking etc as she lived not far away. i kept my opinion to myself but thought this is not going to work my daughter is a strong person but he certainly wasnt. one month on after moving in together dd had a miscarriage and what did he do? run back to mummy as he couldnt cope with it which was awful. i was glad my daughter never went back to him she is happily married now with two lovely kids and a husband who has stood by her during more miscarriages

NChangeForNoReason · 06/01/2019 18:12

Watching the thread to see if there's an update ... how's it going OP?!

Orchidflower1 · 07/01/2019 20:34

Hope things are going ok op. Did you sort finances?

cstaff · 07/01/2019 21:04

Please say this is sorted one way or another. You definitely can't carry on like this.

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