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MIL - Am I overreacting?

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user1478811493 · 03/01/2019 20:58

Hey! I would like to seek advice on a delicate yet frustrating situation. I've seen a few posts about a similar thing, but I thought I would write my own experience as a cry for help. The MIL. (although me and OH are not married)

We've been together for 3 years, and moved into a rental house just over a year ago. This is his first time being away from his mum (he's 29) but not my first time. (Moved out when I was 20)

He = the BF and she = the MIL to make things easier to read.

He is her only child. Although he has siblings on his dads side. It's basically only ever been them two throughout the majority of his life. But she has completely wrapped him up in cotton wool, that he can't do anything. No DIY skills, no common sense with certain things, doesn't know how to clean etc. If he has a headache, she'll throw him some of her morphine tablets. If his neck hurts, she'll come out with things like ''Oh meningitis is going around'' She seems to hold some kind of manipulative spell over him as well. They are very close, and that I would never ever like to change.

Shes one of those people who appears disabled when in public, but swans around her house when no other people are around. (I dislike that in people) and she will use the ''IM DISABLED'' card. She is no more disabled than my own mother, who is quietly suffering from severe arthritus. Oh, in fact, I even mentioned my mum to her and her response was ''OH IVE GOT THAT'' which she doesn't! OK, I'm ranting onto irrelevent subjects now.

The issue is this.

This woman is the most overbearing person I have ever met. Anyone who has met her has said the same. (My family and a friend were helping us move, as was she) Just being around her for 5 minutes feels like forever.

After we moved in, he instantly gave her a key. Without asking me, although I don't mind for emergencies.

Anyways, a good thing is she never just shows up without a phone call first. But she does use her key and does show up when we are not here (After calling him to warn him first)

Even if we are in, she barges in. But again, we are expecting her.

She comes over every Friday after work, and Sunday morning. She does this because she collects his washing.

She brings him his toiletries, boxers, socks, new tops, shower gels, razers, the lot. When she is here, she will moan that the place is untidy and will clean despite me saying I'm doing it tomorrow. (Saturday usually)

He is very lazy, and I have absolutely no doubt that this is because of her. She used to clean his room before he moved out for goodness sakes!!

And she has cleaned this house when we haven't been here before. I got back from work one day and she was here. The first thing she came out with was ''I havent been upstairs, I wouldn't do that''
That in itself was suspicious. I keep the doors closed upstairs just incase.

We hosted a bbq for one of their family members, and she literally took over. I just went very inwards and quiet. I was so uncomfortable.

She also tells us to get a cleaner. She has mentioned this maybe 5 times. I tried to tell him to firmly tell her no but she will do it again.
She took our oven gloves away once to clean. But we never received them back because she deemed them too unclean! They were not in bad condition as they were only a year old! She's done this with few items.

There was an occasion where he told me she was coming over, but I was in the house on my own, needing to wash my hair. I was too scared to shower because she would have barged in as she didn't know I was there. Yeah she barged in. Good thing I delayed my shower.

I try to go to my mums anytime she's over now because I'm too tired to be dealing with it.

There was one Sunday, she was calling him at 9am (They had plans for him to go to hers for dinner at 12pm). We were both asleep due to a late night and ofc, ITS SUNDAY. He slept through the calls and she immediately called my phone. I muted it to sleep in. We got up at 9.30ish. He had 8 missed calls and I had 4!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like who does that!!!!!!!! She was just checking he was going to hers at 12, despite them discussing it the evening before.

And now, she's invited herself over this weekend to ''Clean my house''

My house isnt untidy in the slightest. It's just LIVED in. But I can't discuss this with him because he will take offense and just say ''she's just trying to help'' and OK, maybe I am being selfish here, I am unsure. But i dont feel comfortable with it, nor do I want her cleaning everytime shes here.

On new years eve, we had plans. Our friends were coming over and we would go to the local pub for 10ish. My mum and her partner was also at the pub as it's their local too. Well our plans didn't work out because his mum decided to go to the pub too. (She barely ever goes out) She called him and told him to get to the pub because she was surprising him by being there. So he did, whilst I waited for our friends because they were leaving the cars at mine. By the time they were all here, we walked straight to the pub. His mum left an hour later as she was tired.
Shortly after she left, my mum told me that she had been moaning because I was late??? My mum no longer has respect for her due to what she was saying. (It's rare for my mum to dislike someone) Bottom line is, she knew what our plans were and she expected us to drop them. We were due to go to the pub at 10ish and instead had to get there for 8 to accommodate her, discarding all of the games we had planned prior to the pub. How that makes me late, I do not know!!!

If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. I want to get over this because for his sake, I cant have this turning into resentment. I used to adore this lady, but now she is under my skin and it's building up!

I can't talk to him about it because it will hurt him and he will instantly become defensive. I can't talk to her, because of the same thing. Maybe I just need to get over it? xx

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 04/01/2019 09:53

No no no.
THE HILLS ARE THAT WAY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ohfourfoxache · 04/01/2019 10:02

Run.

Actually no, run like fuck. And fast.

user1478811493 · 04/01/2019 10:28

I will definitely have a talk with him. Just to see if he will listen and accept some ground rules.
Regarding her coming over on Sunday. I've told dp that we are BOTH cleaning on Saturday and so his mother will not be cleaning on Sunday. He said that she had called him to say how much she was looking forward to it. Cleaning that is.
(Crazy...)
So I just told him she is welcome over to spend time with him but she is not to clean because I'll be doing it like normal. And if she cleans after I've cleaned it, I may just intervene because I'm fed up of being insulted. I work long hours and I have a long commute to and from work, so cleaning takes place on my days off, when I choose to.

Our relationship is good apart from all of this which is why I've overlooked dp being the issue.

And to answer some questions. He does work full time. But he didn't before he met me. So he's grown up slightly in the time that we've been together but still has a LONG way to go. But if the conversation I have with him doesn't go well, then I won't stick around to see if he grows up some more.

DP did tell me that his mum also managed to offend her sister (his aunty) for the same reason. She advised her to get a cleaner and made some snide comments about the dogs being allowed on the furniture!! Looks like it isn't just me who is getting grinded down by her!

OP posts:
Stormy76 · 04/01/2019 10:46

Speak to your partner and her together
, for gods sake stand up for yourself, you are a grown adult and need to lay down ground rules for her. He is her only child and she has done everything for him for so long, she is trying to assert her position as his mother and you have no intention of taking that role but she is interfering in your relationship. She needs to stop doing his washing, she is to stop cleaning your house and she is to remember that she is a guest in your home.

TheEndofIt · 04/01/2019 10:51

OP, I have a feeling you're going to go down the route of trying to change him & challenge the unhealthy dynamic with his mother.

I would think very carefully about how much time, energy & effort you are prepared to invest in this - as it will never change considerably in all likelihood.

Instead, think about YOUR boundaries, define them & go when that line is crossed.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2019 10:53

Talking to them will be a wasted effort and you are wasting your time. You have also felt unable to talk to him about his mother now because he gets defensive. You are on a losing streak here and that will continue.

Theirs is a codependent and enmeshed dysfunctional relationship; this is how it is and will be for these two. His life has really been ruined by his abusive mother and he is also the architect of his own demise here. She has never allowed him to break free of her power and control, he is very much a case of failure to launch.

Is your relationship really that good apart from this, I doubt that assertion as well. This type of issue can and does overshadow absolutely everything else in your relationship.

ContessaIsOnADietDammit · 04/01/2019 10:56

Can you move further away? Say, Australia maybe? Although then she'll come stay with you forever for months on end....

AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/01/2019 10:57

Do not fall further into the trap of the sunken costs fallacy; that will simply enable you to keep on making poor relationship decisions. If you really are going to try and overturn this long standing dynamic as theirs is, you are again wasting your time and effort. I would urge you to end your relationship with him now because his primary relationship and loyalty here is to his mother rather than you.

Awrite · 04/01/2019 11:02

You have taken up with a child. A child with a facilitator who is still very much involved in his life.

My only advice would be to find an adult. I don't see the attraction in these man-children.

user1478811493 · 04/01/2019 11:13

I am unsure why it took me so long to realise all of this. I thought his mum was really sweet before. Now I realise they are both corrupt.
I could and never will raise a child like she has because the end result isn't pretty.
Further stories: He's never had financial independence until now either. She used to open all of his mail (bank statements, the lot). Even any post which was sent to hers in error for him after we moved into this house. I was shocked when he firmly told her to stop opening his mail. And then a few weeks later, she brought an opened letter over for him and told him she opened it by accident thinking it was hers! (They have completely different surnames) Although he really wasnt impressed by this, i will try to make him see this as I see it.

All she has to do is say "I was just trying to help, or I was just doing this" and he immediately backs down and feels sympathetic towards her.

He and I were invited to his relatives wedding (his father's side) and she was dropping huge hints about her going! So dp got permission for her to come too!

I do apologise for the long rants. It appears that venting makes me remember more abnormalities. I guess this is me slowly coming to terms with the fact that it wont work and I do not want to be with a manchild. I'd never even heard of that phrase before. This website and community is amazig and i thank you for all of your advice

OP posts:
user1478811493 · 04/01/2019 11:26

So many typos. Typing on my phone!

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Drum2018 · 04/01/2019 11:28

Get your house key back for a start. No way would I have her coming to the house while you're not there. Tell her straight out she is not to come to clean your house. If you didn't clean for a month it's none of her business. If she contacts you to say she's calling over tell her it doesn't suit now. Give her a time that does suit. Tell your dp to grow a pair and start being a man. Show him how to use the washing machine if he's that incompetent and do not let his mammy do it for him. Insist he does his fair share of housework/cooking. If he is unwilling to agree to the above then kiss his sorry ass goodbye and find yourself someone who has respect for you and puts you first. It's admirable that a man has a good relationship with his mother but not when he continues to let her treat him like a 10 year old - there is something disturbing about that!

PersonaNonGarter · 04/01/2019 11:29

Good luck, OP. It seems unlikely he will change without a lot of therapy/self awareness.

TheABC · 04/01/2019 11:33

I don't think you will be able to change this. It's a lifetime of guilt and conditioning. Plus, if you want kids you will always be on edge over her behaviour around them. I would seriously be looking at rentals and moving out.

linziepie · 04/01/2019 11:38

Does she have any friends or is her whole life focused on your DP? I think you need to end this or live a lifetime of unhappiness.

sabrinathethirtysomethingwitch · 04/01/2019 11:41

RUN!!!! imagine if you have children?Shock

Tattybear16 · 04/01/2019 11:44

Good luck OP i had years of this, from both the ex mil and ex sil. They would take it in turns letting themselves in whilst I was at work. Used to get home to find them sitting on my sofa. I once came home to sil who had cooked herself and my ex a roast chicken dinner. Nightmare, my ex DP turned nasty when I tried to stand my ground. When the mil died, I will always remember my ex saying “well, are you happy now”. Wasted my best years with that man child, he’s still a prick now.

sherrysfortea · 04/01/2019 11:46

Talk to him, but it won't make a difference, why would he want her to stop when he has an easy life of being looked after by mummy?

Any normal person would realise how wrong this arrangement is, but he hasn't. Ergo he is not a normal person.

I would be so put off by a man who is happy to be babied by his mother at that age.

Just cut your losses and leave.

Nat6999 · 04/01/2019 11:48

Get the key back or change the locks & tell his mother to fuck to the far side of off!!!!

Get a chain on the door & tell your manchild of a boyfriend to either grow a pair & tell his mother to stay out of your house & lives or pack his stuff & go back to mummy. If he doesn't you will never be free from her. I would say to insult her that much that she becomes so offended that she refuses to come round, but she will have a skin tougher than rhino hide & won't listen to a word you say. My ex husband's family were exactly the same, I put up with it for so long, then one day snapped after listening to the put downs & sly comments. I totally lost my shit with them & told them to get out of my house, my ex was running down the street apologising to them for what I said, when he came back I told him he either supported me or packed his bags, it was the beginning of the end for our marriage but the best thing for me & my DS who was being used as a pawn by them.

Bluntness100 · 04/01/2019 11:53

I think that doing his laundry cleaning your house and buying his toiletries is incredibly intrusive,

Personally I'd explain that to him,tell him you're happy for her to have visits as normal families but this needs to stop. He needs to tell her he is a grown up. Personally I'd tell her myself, I had a similar conversation with my own mother in law on a different issue.

If he is unwilling to have the conversation, people can be weird about standing up to their parents, then you can decide if you wish to.

Something along the lines, of "we love having you round for visits, but need to ask you no longer clean our home, do laundry or buy toiletries, as we would like to make our own way and manage our own home. I'm sure you would have felt the same about your mother in law. Thank you for everything you've done for us, but we will manage it from here".

Orchidflower1 · 04/01/2019 11:56

Good luck with the chat op- die let us know how it goes.

Orchidflower1 · 04/01/2019 11:56

Do NOT die!!! Sorry!!!

mummmy2017 · 04/01/2019 12:09

Right now you have nothing to lose by talking to her.
Tell her that you can't cope with how entwined you find her in your life.
That it is making you question things.
Tell her how much you like her, but was her MIL like this to her.?
Tell her your DP does not want to hurt her, but you both need her to step back a bit too allow you both to grow as a couple.
Tell her you worry this will cause a crisis, that you want her to be a friend...

BadSkiingMum · 04/01/2019 13:37

Test

BadSkiingMum · 04/01/2019 13:56

I had a somewhat similar problem in that my DH was very protective of his mum (single) and wanted her to be involved in our lives. Also a cultural tradition of this being the case. However, she was a slightly different character - quite meek and passive.

The way I did this was by calling his bluff. He suggested that she come with us on a longhaul holiday, not long after we were married. I took a deep breath and agreed.

Five days in and he was fed up of her traipsing around with us sightseeing, especially as her passive nature meant that she was unwilling to express opinions or make decisions. My DH swiftly realised that this wasn’t the ideal holiday plan and, by using reverse psychology on a couple more occasions, I was able to put this mother-argument behind us.

Nowadays she lives locally and we have a really good relationship. I even contact her more than my DH does! I also found that starting a family and being a working parent gave me a new appreciation for the sort of domestic support she was willing to offer - keeping the home fires burning and loving my child like her own, the kind of care which is irreplaceable. But ultimately she knows what my role is and that her role in our family depends on me.