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MIL - Am I overreacting?

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user1478811493 · 03/01/2019 20:58

Hey! I would like to seek advice on a delicate yet frustrating situation. I've seen a few posts about a similar thing, but I thought I would write my own experience as a cry for help. The MIL. (although me and OH are not married)

We've been together for 3 years, and moved into a rental house just over a year ago. This is his first time being away from his mum (he's 29) but not my first time. (Moved out when I was 20)

He = the BF and she = the MIL to make things easier to read.

He is her only child. Although he has siblings on his dads side. It's basically only ever been them two throughout the majority of his life. But she has completely wrapped him up in cotton wool, that he can't do anything. No DIY skills, no common sense with certain things, doesn't know how to clean etc. If he has a headache, she'll throw him some of her morphine tablets. If his neck hurts, she'll come out with things like ''Oh meningitis is going around'' She seems to hold some kind of manipulative spell over him as well. They are very close, and that I would never ever like to change.

Shes one of those people who appears disabled when in public, but swans around her house when no other people are around. (I dislike that in people) and she will use the ''IM DISABLED'' card. She is no more disabled than my own mother, who is quietly suffering from severe arthritus. Oh, in fact, I even mentioned my mum to her and her response was ''OH IVE GOT THAT'' which she doesn't! OK, I'm ranting onto irrelevent subjects now.

The issue is this.

This woman is the most overbearing person I have ever met. Anyone who has met her has said the same. (My family and a friend were helping us move, as was she) Just being around her for 5 minutes feels like forever.

After we moved in, he instantly gave her a key. Without asking me, although I don't mind for emergencies.

Anyways, a good thing is she never just shows up without a phone call first. But she does use her key and does show up when we are not here (After calling him to warn him first)

Even if we are in, she barges in. But again, we are expecting her.

She comes over every Friday after work, and Sunday morning. She does this because she collects his washing.

She brings him his toiletries, boxers, socks, new tops, shower gels, razers, the lot. When she is here, she will moan that the place is untidy and will clean despite me saying I'm doing it tomorrow. (Saturday usually)

He is very lazy, and I have absolutely no doubt that this is because of her. She used to clean his room before he moved out for goodness sakes!!

And she has cleaned this house when we haven't been here before. I got back from work one day and she was here. The first thing she came out with was ''I havent been upstairs, I wouldn't do that''
That in itself was suspicious. I keep the doors closed upstairs just incase.

We hosted a bbq for one of their family members, and she literally took over. I just went very inwards and quiet. I was so uncomfortable.

She also tells us to get a cleaner. She has mentioned this maybe 5 times. I tried to tell him to firmly tell her no but she will do it again.
She took our oven gloves away once to clean. But we never received them back because she deemed them too unclean! They were not in bad condition as they were only a year old! She's done this with few items.

There was an occasion where he told me she was coming over, but I was in the house on my own, needing to wash my hair. I was too scared to shower because she would have barged in as she didn't know I was there. Yeah she barged in. Good thing I delayed my shower.

I try to go to my mums anytime she's over now because I'm too tired to be dealing with it.

There was one Sunday, she was calling him at 9am (They had plans for him to go to hers for dinner at 12pm). We were both asleep due to a late night and ofc, ITS SUNDAY. He slept through the calls and she immediately called my phone. I muted it to sleep in. We got up at 9.30ish. He had 8 missed calls and I had 4!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like who does that!!!!!!!! She was just checking he was going to hers at 12, despite them discussing it the evening before.

And now, she's invited herself over this weekend to ''Clean my house''

My house isnt untidy in the slightest. It's just LIVED in. But I can't discuss this with him because he will take offense and just say ''she's just trying to help'' and OK, maybe I am being selfish here, I am unsure. But i dont feel comfortable with it, nor do I want her cleaning everytime shes here.

On new years eve, we had plans. Our friends were coming over and we would go to the local pub for 10ish. My mum and her partner was also at the pub as it's their local too. Well our plans didn't work out because his mum decided to go to the pub too. (She barely ever goes out) She called him and told him to get to the pub because she was surprising him by being there. So he did, whilst I waited for our friends because they were leaving the cars at mine. By the time they were all here, we walked straight to the pub. His mum left an hour later as she was tired.
Shortly after she left, my mum told me that she had been moaning because I was late??? My mum no longer has respect for her due to what she was saying. (It's rare for my mum to dislike someone) Bottom line is, she knew what our plans were and she expected us to drop them. We were due to go to the pub at 10ish and instead had to get there for 8 to accommodate her, discarding all of the games we had planned prior to the pub. How that makes me late, I do not know!!!

If anyone has any advice, it would be greatly appreciated. I want to get over this because for his sake, I cant have this turning into resentment. I used to adore this lady, but now she is under my skin and it's building up!

I can't talk to him about it because it will hurt him and he will instantly become defensive. I can't talk to her, because of the same thing. Maybe I just need to get over it? xx

OP posts:
Fairylightfurore · 04/01/2019 14:08

Change the locks and tell him not to give her a key. Someone else can be your emergency key holder. Make it clear to him this is a deal breaker so he won't give in and let her have one. If she's able to get in herself then you have your answer

tiffanydaniels29 · 04/01/2019 14:15

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ReggieKrayDoYouKnowMyName · 04/01/2019 14:19

Mega yikes. She’s a nightmare but he is too. Why is he letting her take his washing? I would be making it clear now that there need to be some firm boundaries in place. If he can’t adhere to them then you need to knock this relationship on the head.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 04/01/2019 14:45

They both sound batshit!!!

How can you be attracted to someone who still relies on his Mother to do his washing at the age of 29? shudder

She will never improve. Their relationship dynamic will never change. And if you have a baby with him you'll be locked to them forever.

(And if he can't look after himself, how do you think he will look after a baby? You'll end up doing everything yourself.)

This is not AIBU about his mother, this is to do with your whole relationship.

You're only 30. You've got plenty of time. Please have a really long think about what you want the rest of your life to look like.

user1478811493 · 04/01/2019 15:35

I've had a small chat with him. Only about his ability to clean though. He is happy to do some chores on a Rota basis.
The situation wasn't right to have the deep conversation. (Was getting ready for bed at the time) that will come over the weekend

OP posts:
TheEndofIt · 04/01/2019 15:43

Ah, so you're still having to parent him & organise the rota - take note!

Grannyannex · 04/01/2019 15:52

Just list all the jobs and ask him to put his name
Against half

MissLouLaLa · 04/01/2019 15:54

I think everyone had already covered this from every angle.

In the spirit of trying to cheer you up if you’d like me to fashion a nice wash down sofa cover out of Lidl carrier bags for you do let me know. No doubt there will be a counter attack and one will be made from Waitrose and M&S shoppers in contrast of colours. If this happens squirt some of the spare Lidl washing up on it, then liberally apply Aldi marmalade.

Good luck kiddo. From one early thirty somehtignto another adulting is tough, big hugs.

CurbsideProphet · 04/01/2019 16:04

I sympathise, as my DP's mum would be like this if she could. She had our keys while we were away "just in case" and when we got home she announced that she cleaned the house "because it needed doing". Obviously she is never having our keys again.

It's a shame, as I know she struggles with him being independent and not needing her. However, she should be pleased that he has a happy relationship and is settled.

elephantinstripeysocks · 04/01/2019 17:32

I couldnt cope if someone was opening my mail. I would be ordering him a bondage website brochure to her house and seeing her open and bring that round!

BlackPrism · 04/01/2019 17:34

He sounds pathetic, why are you with him?

The lucky part of this is that she isn't actually your MIL, she's our BFs mum and you can walk away.

BlackPrism · 04/01/2019 17:37

Oh, and my DP is an only child. He's very self sufficient, fab at DIY, does all of our laundry and also does half of the other housework.

He's 23. It's not because your DP is an only that he's like this.

EKGEMS · 04/01/2019 17:44

OP I want you to stream an AmericanTV series called Everybody Loves Raymond -it's a comedy about a manchild living with his wife and family and his intrusive parents living across the street. I kid you not watch a few episodes and you will see your future life. It won't be fun or happy. Your BF's mother is a woman who has deep seated psychological issues and she did your BF no favors raising him as an extension of herself instead of raising him to be self confident,happy and prepared for life independent of her. She raised him to be DEPENDENT on her forever so she can control him,his future and to say "See,you need me" You are not seen happily by her as a woman to fulfill his needs you are an interloper,a rival, a THREAT. She has her tentacles squeezing your relationship and you haven't even begun to feel her squeezing the life out of your future relationship. She may have been sweet initially otherwise you'd have run like hell to get away long ago.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2019 17:56

He is happy to do some chores on a Rota basis

What is he, eight??! Hmm Anyway, if he as much as mentions this to his DM she'll probably insist on doing them for him ... "just to help out", you understand

Given her fondness for opening mail, I'd get some Australian immigration forms sent in his name and to her address - and then I'd run like hell

Closetbeanmuncher · 04/01/2019 18:00

I'm with @ElspethFlashman

PersonaNonGarter · 04/01/2019 18:01

Chores on a rota basis Hmm Will he be drawing up the rota? Policing it? Or just consuming it like the man hold that he is?

willdoitinaminute · 04/01/2019 18:34

My BIL and MIL have this sort of relationship. We all warned his GF what was ahead but she chose to ignore us and focus on the “money”. I think she’s finally realised after marrying & moving into the extended family home that her life has well and truly been mapped.
I have flatly refused to be involved either financially or as a carer with MILs old age. I don’t care what people think of me, they have no idea how vile the woman has been to me in the past.
DH has always been her scapegoat he has long periods of NC thankfully. And I have always kept DS contact with her to a minimum.
I think you have a narcissist on your hands and your BF is her enabler.
Very sorry but narcissists are not capable of change.

cordeliavorkosigan · 04/01/2019 18:48

Don't get him to do "chores" on a "rota", that's like having an 8yo.
He should be an equal partner in the running of the home, without his mummy to do his share, his laundry, buy his razors. She should be "just trying to ..." anything that close to your own domestic lives.
Get him to ask his friends how many of them have their mummy collect their laundry every weekend and clean their home for them at the age of 29...

But I agree with pp that this dynamic is so extreme and sounds so entrenched, and he sounds so unused to thinking critically about it, that it is very unlikely to change. Run for the hills, and find an adult to be with as an equal partner.

Gina2012 · 04/01/2019 20:08

Maybe I do need to have a big long think

Maybe?

Maybe?

Wtaf? Are you mad?

Nothing will ever change.

I would have a short think very quickly and get out NOW

TheDogAteMySock · 04/01/2019 20:11

Oh God, she sounds like my MIL. She managed to get a key and left herself in while we were on holiday and rooted through my dirty laundry, picking out all his, to wash while we were away. Also, she weeded my flower bed of all the plants I had growing in there. When I was breast feeding my newborn she used to bustle in and rearrange all my plants and ornaments, not just a bit, but to completely different rooms. I could go on and on, but all I'll say is run, run while you still can. It's bloody hard work carving out your own boundaries when you are facing a completely overbearing mil and a weak, pathetic mummy's boy. I was a very strong minded, independent woman and it nearly broke me at times.

MulticolourMophead · 04/01/2019 21:19

Gina2012

Come on, be fair. OP only started this thread yesterday, it's a lot to take in at first. Looking at OP's later posts, she's certainly doing some thinking!

OP, he may be nice enough, but you seriously do need to look at both him and his mum. I reckon you can find someone who's just as nice without the man child aspects. It would be a massive chore to try raising this man child now, and that's if he even co-operates. If he resists, it'll never work.

subspace · 05/01/2019 12:38

If you stay with him and want to end up with a fair equal partnership, you will need to be prepared to both argue with him and MIL, repeatedly, (because being reasonable and assertive is not going to be enough), AND to parent your OH for years through from completely incompetent, clueless and no real reason to change, to a functional adult who can and does do all household work without needing to be handheld, prompted or nagged. He's a LONG way from that and the risk is you end up being his mother, permanently. I know I wouldn't feel it was worth doing.

user1478811493 · 05/01/2019 15:23

The thinking I mentioned is financial and the different roads I can take. I can't just up and leave in an instant.

You are all right. He is the problem. I tried to have the talk with him.
Here's how it went.

I am cleaning today because it's Saturday. He's told me his mum is looking forward to cleaning tomorrow but I said I'm doing it anyway because I want to rest tomorrow. She can come over and watch a film.

He responded with "you know her, she will clean anyway"
I told him she won't go over something I've already cleaned and he said she will. I said there needs to be some boundarys somewhere.

His response.... "she's my mother there are no boundarys" and now he isn't talking to me!!!!

I'm going over my sister's soon to iron over my financial and living options.

I think every response on this thread completely nailed it. I was totally overlooking the main issues here.
Now I think of it. I'm already taking the mum role to him! He drives my car, uses my old phone etc.
Thank goodness she only had 1!!!!!! I'm so angry right now

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/01/2019 15:40

You certainly did overlook the main issues here and you need to ask yourself why you did minimise the many red flags re his relationship with his mother.

I did state earlier that talking to him would be a wasted effort because theirs is an enmeshed and codependent relationship. You will always play second fiddle to both he and his mother who are basically doing their dance of codependency around each other.

You are cleaning as well because its Saturday?. Why did you start doing that and what has he been doing in the meantime?. If staying over at your sister's is at all feasible I would be remaining there this evening - and for the foreseeable future.

Oilyoilyoilgob · 05/01/2019 15:48

God I stopped reading (sorry!) at the ‘his mum collects his washing’ 😮 good grief it’ll never end for you. Just read your update and now he’s in a sulk because you dared to question what his mum will do tomorrow in your home? Please run run run as fast as you can.

Obviously financials etc to sort but I would slowly be planning to extract myself from this situation. It must be horrendous to not be able to relax in your own home, which should be your haven, free to slob around braless and (shock horror!) not have to clean because it’s a Saturday.

He’ll never ever change but you can change your own life, for the better.