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Separating from Wife - complicated - I'll explain

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skylooper · 21/12/2018 23:14

Hello everybody,

Forgive my username, I just made up the first random thing that popped in to my head that wasn't already taken.

I'm not entirely sure why I'm posting this, I guess I'd like other people's thoughts on what I'm going through. It's really messed up, but for those that stay with it, I'd appreciate your thoughts:

I'm a male in my 30's and have been with my wife for 15 years and married for 5. We have a 9 month old girl and this is our only child and we live together. I want us to separate and stay living together. All sounds reasonably simple, but let me just explain the full circumstances, in as concise a manner as possible...

My wife and I met when we were 16. I'd never had a relationship before. I proposed to her around 8 years in to the relationship. A couple of years after this she was diagnosed with a brain tumour. She has gone through a hell of a lot of surgery, treatments etc. and in essence has suffered from what's known as a brain injury. She has had to learn to walk, talk and live a normal life again. She can no longer drive because of the illness. She's now on annual scans, but last few years have been clear and things look up. She's pretty much independent now, just slower than she used to be and her confidence has gone and she's not really got a social life. I have been by her side throughout this whole journey and have played an integral part in getting her to where she is now. I’m not saying this to get any thanks or kudos, I just want to explain that it’s been a very difficult and emotionally draining journey for me as well as her. I have exerted a tremendous amount of effort in to rehabilitating her. Anyway, despite the illness, we got married and had a wonderful day. I felt so proud of her and was humbled at the progress she was making in her recovery. I managed to resume my university studies and got myself a decent job, and then we got a house together. Our life still revolved around my wife’s recovery and she was doing well. I had arranged for her to have regular private physio to try to push her along. She managed to go back to work part time, and we got to a point where we were living a fairly normal life.

During one of our routine appointments with the consultant, I asked whether she was still able to have children. I wasn’t sure whether all the treatment she’d had would have affected things and I also wondered about if the brain tumour was hereditary, and the consultant assured us that it was perfectly safe to have a child. This is where it gets a bit weird. I wanted her to have a child so much, because I could see that she was in a state of low confidence and maybe even depression although when I discussed it with her she would not admit this, and I thought a child would give her a boost and a reason to live and push herself forward. So, we had a child and she is now 9 months old and that is where we are up to. My wife is doing a great job looking after her, although she does rely on me a lot, but we’re getting by and our daughter is amazing and we are so proud of her.

All the above sounds lovely and inspiring, I hope, but I have been fighting an inner battle for years. I have not felt satisfaction in our relationship for a long time. When I look back to my proposing, I was working away at the time, and was very lonely, and I feel as though that loneliness and insecurity played a part in the decision to propose. That’s just a theory though. I obviously really thought that I loved at the time her otherwise I wouldn’t have made such a big decision. When I look back at our first date, we went to the park, and it was so awkward, we barely spoke a word to each other, but I’d never been on a date before, so I didn’t see this as anything bad. I thought she was really pretty and that’s all that seemed to matter. When I look at all the times we’ve been out since as a couple, it’s always been the same. It’s awkward, we don’t have anything to talk about and the conversation is very difficult. At home, we do our own things. I try but we are not on the same page. We are interested in very different things, we are intellectually on very different levels, emotionally as well. Every now and again I’d have these feelings that I wanted to break up, but because of how vulnerable she’s been post brain tumour, I’ve quickly put those feelings away in the back of my mind. The very thought of even starting that conversation made me feel sick to my stomach, knowing the devastation it could cause. We don’t have any kind of sex life and we live together as a parent and sibling might, I do a lot of the housework, most of the cooking, I am relied upon like a parent is relied upon by its child in SOME ways, not all by any means and that would be doing a disservice to my wife to say that, but I am relied upon more so than the “average” husband is shall we say. None of it is her fault, it’s just the facts of life. I have brought up our lack of sex on a few occasions, but she has stated that she is not interested in sex at all. Even when we conceived our daughter, it was like a chore, and was not a pleasurable experience, she just wanted it over as quickly as possible. Luckily it didn’t take many “goes”. I don’t feel any physical attraction to my wife any more and don’t feel any spiritual connection with her. I feel like she doesn’t “get” me at all. This is partly because I’ve been doing a lot of soul searching over the past few years and inward looking, and getting to know myself better.

I’ve constantly been filling my life with other things to try to fill the hole that I’ve felt. I’ve had countless different career changes, countless hobbies, always doing something but never finding satisfaction. I have bouts of depression that I manage to get through.

Recently, I had a very strong feeling rise to the surface that I had to tell her how I felt and that I wanted us to separate. I tried to let it dissipate like it usually does, but it just got stronger. I was so ill, I felt a huge amount of anxiety, and cried lots at the thought of hurting my wife. Several days ago I could bare it no longer, I’d tried telephone counselling to help but it only re-enforced what I had to do.

The strength I had to muster just to have a conversation with my wife is phenomenal. But I did it. I thought perhaps she might have felt the same, and could see what I could see, but she could not, she was completely shocked by what I had to say, and broke down, distraught, it was so horrible. Her family are now very angry with me, saying that I am selfish and how could I abandon her and that she will not cope on her own. I am not abandoning her though, I want us to live together still and bring up our daughter, just not as a married couple. I don’t think she fully gets what I’m trying to say. Since the conversation, things have calmed down and appear to have returned to normal, with a few subtle differences, like not linking when we’re out walking our daughter and not kissing each other. We used to kiss each other, but it was like it was a matter of course, not because we wanted to, we’d say “I love you”, but because it was habitual. I do still feel a kind of love for her, a love as though I still want to care for her, but not a love that partners would feel. It’s very hard to describe, because it’s unique isn’t it.

I crave to be able to be with somebody who understands me, who I can feel a real connection with, whom I can be physically intimate with, who I can share things and do things with, whom I can talk with and actually converse with. I don’t want this straight away, but given time I will find somebody else and try my very best to make sure this person is right for me. With my wife, she was basically the first girl that ever paid me any attention, and wanted me, and it was a really exciting time for me and the realisation of what being with a woman was like, amazing. She broke up with me a couple of times, the first I was devastated, but the second, I felt free and really enjoyed my time having my own space and dating other girls, but then she came back to me really upset saying she needed me back because she’d made a mistake and somehow we got back together, and I think that’s when the real mistake happened. I was weak, and was sad to see that she was sad, and wanted to end her sadness, but it wasn’t right looking back.

I am not seeking salvation, but it would be interesting to hear what other people’s thoughts are. Of course, there’s a lot more than what I have written above, and I’m sure I have missed important information, but the bones of the situation are there. I don’t know what it means in the long run. If I meet somebody else, then this would create a new dynamic, but at the moment, there is nobody else, I just need to feel free from pretending to be happily married and be able to be myself. I don’t know, it’s messed up, I don’t want any sympathy. I suppose I want to know if you think I’m selfish, if you think I’m doing the right thing.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Please feel free to ask any questions and I will do my best to answer them, if you are interested or if it would help you understand the situation better.

OP posts:
VimFuego101 · 22/12/2018 00:00

You are entitled to end a relationship if you wish. It sounds like you are very unhappy. You don't get to make a unilateral decision on future living arrangements, though, and I don't think that living together while separated will work.

What support would she need to live alone with your daughter? Could she cope?

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:03

Why on Earth did you persuade your wife to have a child, considering even the conception was a chore for you both? I mean, what did you think? „I‘ll grit my teeth and stay in the marriage for the child“? If so, what changed in those 18 months? I am at a loss, frankly.

skylooper · 22/12/2018 00:06

Bowchicawowow - thank you, it's very useful hearing lots of differing opinions and views actually.

HeddaGarbled - I agree. I am an idiot. If it came to living apart, as long my wife wanted to, and I'm sure she would, I would want her to be primary carer, but I would want to be invovled as much as I possibly could be. My timing is indeed terrible and I can't understand it properly myself. I wouldn't say I pursuaded her to have our child, but I was fully supportive of her having a child. Maybe I thought that by having a child it would make everything better for me as well, it would get rid of all these doubts and feelings of unsatisfaction, but it's not.

I have contacted Relate to organise councilling, but they're not back in until January, so we are going to a councilling session soon as we can because I want to be able to talk it through with the help of someone who knows what they're talking about. I don't feel as though it is what you have said it might be, and a natural trough post baby, but I'm sure this is a contributory factor, but there are deeper underlying problems, that I have thought about many times in the past but pushed away because I thought it would be wrong to leave, maybe I too was scared of being alone. I know I sound like an idiot here, but I've not had a lot of experience of different women so I've not got a lot to draw from when making these kinds of decisions, but it feels like it's really come to the fore now and I had to have the conversation. What the next few months hold I literally have no idea.

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StoppinBy · 22/12/2018 00:07

I think in all fairness to both of you you need to attend couples counselling, to either help you reconnect or help you amicably separate.

I am having a lot of trouble getting past the fact that you thought having a child would help pull her out of depression... it was likely to make things worse and not better.

Babies are hard work and must be even more so for your wife. When our babies have been newborns my husband has done the majority of the housework/cooking etc while working full time so I don't think you are alone there.

If your wife is depressed (before even looking in to any other physical issues) then this can cause low/no sex drive in itself, lack of desire for physical contact and also the struggle to do anything other than the necessary every day.

If you need to separate for your own good then do so but I can't see living in the same house while dating other people being a good thing if you are both not fully on board and in agreement to that.

timeisnotaline · 22/12/2018 00:10

How much easier would it be for your wife to care for herself without you if there weren’t also a child? Presumably quite a lot. But now there is , it was your idea but actually you want to leave... I find that hard to get past.

HeddaGarbled · 22/12/2018 00:11

Interesting how the assumption seems to be that the wife will be the primary carer for the child so will need support.

Kintan · 22/12/2018 00:13

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you persuaded her to have a baby (I presume you wouldn't have had to convince her if she wanted one herself), and now 9 months after she had the baby you want to break up with her. I'm sorry you are not feeling happy with your life but this is so callous.

Bowchicawowow · 22/12/2018 00:14

Stoppingby On the subject of having a child, people make these sorts of decisions all the time and although it may have been misguided it strikes me that the OP made the wrong decision for the genuine reasons. It would be hard for him to see his child as a mistake in any event because he clearly loves her.
I think that being a Carer for a DP throws up all sorts of emotions. I know this because I have done it. However, I truly think that you would be feeling this way even if your DW didn’t have health issues. You cannot stay with her because you feel duty bound. You can work on having a good separation and being great coparents in the future.

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:15

Same here times. Sounds like a subsonscious way to tie your partner down and pretty much ensure she can‘t move on, (say, with a new partner) when you leave.

Bowchicawowow · 22/12/2018 00:16

Is it bollocks deepwatersolo.

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:18

Or rather pseudo leave, keeping her in the Attic, while moving on with some Jane Eyre.

sprouts21 · 22/12/2018 00:18

I have just ended a very stressful career that I was deeply unhappy in and these feelings rose up soon after my last day at work

That sounds quite different from your op. I think you sound quite confused and like you're not thinking properly. Nobody thinking properly would suggest the separation scenario you have, although I suggested similar when I was having an affair and a crisis.

daffodilbrain · 22/12/2018 00:19

I don't think you sound awful just sad - it's hard though convey a situation in the written word. To me it sounds like you aren't in love anymore. It's hard to break a family up but unless you move out then you'll be stuck in limbo. you'll have to create a new way of working/living together - you don't have to move far. But the sooner you find a new way of being a family the better

skylooper · 22/12/2018 00:19

villageshop - I honestly don't know how I would feel. I think I'd be very protective, but would be happy if she could find somebody who made her happy and able to be herself. I am hoping I can talk about all this in the councilling sessions we're going to have soon. Your reply is very good and I thank you, you've suggested some really good ideas. At risk of sounding flippant I have tried lots of the things like going for walks on the beach and doing romantic things but she's not really interested. We DO go on walks together, and enjoy the fresh air etc but it's more like I'm out walking with a friend and not my wife. But yes, perhaps I haven't found that right way to approach her. Our sex life was not good before her diagnosis. When we had sex, she wanted it to be over as soon as possible, so I don't think it's solely because of her brain tumour that her sex drive has gone, but it must be a factor.

VimFuego101 - I think she'd just need an extra set of hands around, like prepping nutritious meals instead of having microwave meals. When I'm not around she has microwave meals, or crisps, but when I'm here I cook good nutritious meals. I'm probably underestimating her capabilities. Emotional support as well. Like if she's having a tough time with our daughter, I can support her and make take the pressure off, so her mother would be able to do that, but she wouldn't be there all the time, so there would have to be more regular contact between them both. She would cope, but that's the word, cope, it would be really hard for her, which is what worries me.

deepwatersolo - I know on the surface it sounds ridiculous, but when i say a chore, my wife does not like sex, so it was a difficult task if that makes sense. She wanted a baby, but did not like sex, so we had to force the issue to do it so she could get pregnant, I thought it was because of what she had gone through, so I didn't want to look too much in to it at the time. I don't know what was going through my head at that time, I've said previously that perhaps I thought the child would make everything better for both me and her, like all my doubts would go away and it would motivate my wife and let her flourish in her role as mother. I know it sounds crazy, but I've not had some pre-medidated idea to get her pregnant, let the child grow up a bit and then leave her. I'm at a bit of a loss myself.

OP posts:
Ozziewozzie · 22/12/2018 00:20

I can see where you’re coming from. You are both victims in this. Your wife for her illness and the impact it’s had for herself, as a mother, as a wife and as woman. For you, the change in the dynamics of your relationship, the change in role for you, and the loss of passion that I’m guessing has become crushed by the hard journey you’ve both been on.

If I were your wife, I’d want to let you go. If that was what you wanted. You both have a free choice. I’d hate to think you stayed with me out of guilt or pity.
If I were you, I’d feel the same as you do. I’d also feel as though a chance of something more, would be very enticing.

But you have to weigh up the following. Another poster said how she’d lost her dh to a brain tumour. If you lost your wife today or tomorrow, would you suddenly see her beauty?

I completely understand why you feel as you do. That little feeling has grown and grown. It’s become your only hope now, for yourself. But before you walk away, ask yourself if you’ve done enough for your marriage. Not for your wife. Not as a career. Simply for your marriage.
This is news to your wife. Neither of you have given each other the chance to talk about the two of you as a couple.
I’m not suggesting that if you did, you’d become mr and Mrs passionate, but you’ve both grown in roles dictated by your wife’s illness. Even though she’s much better, the impact it’s had in you both is huge.
Maybe you could try couples counselling to either work your way amicably apart or maybe resolve things.

Should you split, butvremain in the house together, you really need to appreciate a few things. Resentment could build. It could be incredibly difficult for your wife if she feels differently to you. When you start dating, going out, how she will feel when you come home late, or stay out for the night.
People can’t just switch their hearts off. It could be torture for your wife living with you knowing your off out with another woman.

Also another woman may find the fact that you still live with your wife difficult. She’d have to immediately trust you. What happens when the new woman wants a more permanent relationship.

If you honestly want a way out, then in my opinion it’s much kinder to take exactly that. Let your wife move on too. Let your daughter grow up in a home where there’s no tension or resentment. Let her learn what a real relationship is like, not a pretend one for her sake.

I really wish you well.

BlueEyedBengal · 22/12/2018 00:20

I feel so sorry for your wife. If you want the marriage to end then you must leave the house it will be impossible for your wife and how can she move on from the shackles you are thinking about. What if you met someone where would you meet? And never mind you but what if she met someone would you get in the way of her moving on? It would be impossible and you would still be in control. Please if you want to end it then end it but give her her freedom back and allow her to move on free from your control.

madcatladyforever · 22/12/2018 00:20

Whaton EARTH did you bring a child into this relationship for if you weren't happy? So bloody irresponsible, now she has all that to worry about as well as what you've told her.
She must feel like it's the end of the world and now she has this and the child to worry about.
Best thing you could do is leave, do you honestly think she wants to look at you everyday at home while you are sleeping with other women, leave now and do her a favour.
Kind of reminds me of my ex, waiting until I was in hospital before telling me he was leaving.

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:22

Is it Bow? How much time was there for him to leave? But no, let‘s make sure she has a child, so she gets more dependent and almost can‘t say no to this cohabitation proposal. God, I would be furious if I were her.

HeddaGarbled · 22/12/2018 00:22

So maybe the way to make this possible for your wife is to do something like 50-50 childcare with you taking responsibility for all the child admin stuff (nursery/school contact, doctor, dentist, shoe-fitting, play-dates/parties etc).

Bowchicawowow · 22/12/2018 00:25

deepwatersolo People in bad relationships make crazy decisions to have more children all the time. It doesn’t mean they are raging psychopaths as you would believe. Sometimes really good people making fucking stupid choices.

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:25

I did not say premeditated, I said subconscious.

C0untDucku1a · 22/12/2018 00:29

Have you asked your wife what she wants you to do re: living arrangements?

deepwatersolo · 22/12/2018 00:29

Yeah, Bow and quite regularly these „crazy“ decisions to go for a(nother) child do have a crystal clear not at all crazy logic, even if it plays out subconsciously.

villageshop · 22/12/2018 00:33

To be honest when I hear from a bloke that his wife 'doesn't like sex' my first thought is that 'he's not doing what works for her'.

I sense that you haven't found the right approach, the touches and stroking and words and way of being and talking with her that will make her feel all melting and delicious. Then she will like sex. Does she masturbate? Or don't you know? If she does, and practically all of us do, then she does like sex. You just have to discover how to make her like it with you. That's if you decide to stay and try and make it work. I think you have already left, in your heart and mind.

HeddaGarbled · 22/12/2018 00:33

And I’m genuinely not saying this to pile on with the kicking you are getting from some posters, but women who ‘don’t like sex’, unless it’s because of circumstances such as illness, historic trauma or recent childbirth, generally aren’t getting sex that meets their needs.