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Wife communication with other men.

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gambit18 · 18/10/2018 12:05

Hello,

My head is a mess , and I am after some advice.

I have been with my wife for 10 years. We have 4 wonderful children.

Like all relationships, we both have our faults and we have ups and downs, but we have never really come close to separating.

4 months ago she went out with her friends. All was fine apart from her hangover on the following day. Unfortunately for her, she asked me to plug her phone in to charge, just as a friend text her asking “so spill the goss on you and that Mark”

My name isn’t Mark lol -

I challenged her about it, and she said it was her mate texting the wrong person. She got really defensive and aggressive and just wanted to change the subject. She was also very insistent on showing me her phone, to prove there was nothing untoward.

I still suspected something was amiss so logged on to our online bill ( we share an account ) and low and behold, there were 12 messages a random number which weren’t on the phone

I asked her again If there was anything she wanted to tell me, or if she had deleted any calls / messages. she swore on that she hadn’t…
I told her I knew about the texts…

She was distraught and started to explain - Her take being a male friend of one of the girls she was with started to chat to her and was a bit flirty and touchy, but it was all one sided – but he was very polite and nice to her. As she was going home on her own, he insisted on her number to check she got home safely - they exchanged a few drunk texts on the way home and a couple the next morning.. She admits that some of the drunk ones may have been slightly inappropriate and overfly flirty after a few drinks – but cant remember as she was drunk… …

I’m not sure if anything would have happened if I hadn’t clocked on. She swears it’s the only time it has happened.

After many hearts to hearts we discussed why she felt the need to do this, and she said she liked getting attention and feeling loved. One of my downfalls being that I don’t text her multiple times a day to see how she is, or buy her flowers as much as I used to. We agreed to move forward and both make that extra effort. If I am honest, it was the best thing we ever did… As it was like a clean slate, and we have gone a few months in a happy and loving environment…

Until last weekend. She started acting a bit distant, and started to always carry her phone with her.. I got suspicious and heard her phone vibrate when on the unit - , i saw a facebook message from a guy on her home screen.. I couldn’t read the whole thing without opening her phone, but it was a man, asking how she was I think. I never got the whole jist or content -

I decided to check once she had read the message (I’m sure people will bash me for this ) and the message had gone. I asked her about it, and she says it’s just a guy she met on a night out, but he is just a friend, and there is nothing wrong with messaging a mate. I asked why I had never heard of him, and why delete the message. her reasoning being, after the rows last time, she didn’t want to open up old wounds. This has caused big rows, as it’s a massive blow to the trust we have been rebuilding. She said that she would stop the messaging, but had done nothing wrong.

Unfortunately, that didn’t happen and on Monday she was active on facebook chat every 10 – 15 minutes. This went on all day until I got home from work. She admitted that she had sent a message or two, but it was just general chit chat. She had also deleted them, as they were nothing to do with me. We agreed that we needed to move forward from this, and she said she would stop the contact. She apologised for doing this but swore it was innocent chit chat. Come Tuesday, she showed as active on chat again from 9am, through the whole day. Every 10 – 15 minutes, she was active.

When I got home from work, she admitted that she had sent a few messages, and again told me they were innocent, and I shouldn’t be telling her who she can talk to. Based on the frequency of the online activity, i suspect it was a lot moe than a few. I eventually said it may have been 6 or 7. She also said she wasn’t sure if she wanted us to stay together any more.

I had a conversation with her mother, who she had also lied to. She had told her mother that she had ceased contact on the Sunday, so her mother was a bit upset to learn she was still messaging the guy.
Yesterday her mother came around as soon as the children were at school and talked some sense into her. She messaged the guy explaining that these messages weren’t healthy, and had caused some rows at home. She did this in front of her mother. She apologised last night and we need to assess where we go from here.
She swears (and I do believe her) that the content was just chit chat, and she doesn’t believe the guy had altera motives, and wouldn’t have chatted to him if he had.

My partner can suffers from anxiety attacks. It never really affects us on a day to day field, but if something crops us that worries her, she needs to resolve the issue, or it consumes her until its fixed. If she can’t sort an issue out that day, she can’t sleep properly.
Her reasoning for all of this is that things have been so good for months and because we have been getting on so well, she Is continually anxious with worry about us having a falling out, or an argument that will burst this bubble. She is saying that she has been so worried about us having an argument, that that has been on her mind just as much as how good things have been. She says she is also constantly worried that I am unsatisfied with her. i.e. if I send her a really sweat message when at work, she never knows what to write back, and then gets herself in a state over whether it will make me smile like mine made her smile.

She says she was worried about me finding out that a guy had messaged her. Because it was innocent message asking about one of her friends, she felt rude not to reply, but by replying, she felt guilty for doing it, and also worried that if I did find out, it would cause us to argue or break up. This worry then turned into anxiety and then started to make her doubt if we should still be together if messaging a guy caused such rows. To top that off, once we did start to row, she told this guy about our argument, who offered a shoulder to cry on, hence 2 days of multiple messages.

Since Wednesday, she hasn’t been on the Facebook chat at all.
I love her and trust that she hasn’t and never would physically cheat on me, but can’t get my head around why she feels the need to message other men. Because the content is innocent, she sees the messages as innocent and won’t change her view on that. She refuses to accept that these “innocent conversations” could ever lead anywhere. I’m wondering if she Is experiencing “grass is always greener” syndrome, or it is the butterfly feeling of having somebody new should interest in you.

I love her and know we can work / manage the anxiety. My concern is the need for attention from other parties. I personally don’t think this is healthy or acceptable, even if innocent.

In my head I’m thinking “grass is always greener” syndrome..

Any advise would be appreciated.

thanks

OP posts:
richdeniro · 21/10/2018 01:04

Hi mate,

I'm sorry to say that your marriage is done. I would say it's now gone past the point of no return. She has lied and cheated past that point now. Hours online with this guy and spinning stories about it all, how could you ever trust her again anyway? She's using the anxiety thing as an excuse for her behaviour, it's a lie as she's not unaware of what she's doing but trying to minimise it using that as an excuse.

Maybe you could forgive it if she chatted to a random guy on FB messenger for a bit but swapping numbers, whatsapp chats, etc... she wants something else other than you and if you don't let her explore this and do what she's going to do anyway then you're going to get more hurt than you already are. I'm so sorry but her mind is already made up now and you're going to have to let her go.

Mrsm2812 · 21/10/2018 04:07

Right - I have a poorly child at the moment too. I had one poorly child all last week and now that one is better, my older one is now poorly and up with a temperature...that’s why I’m on here at this time. I’ve had broken sleep and very little sleep for the last two weeks due to poorly kids and I know it doesn’t make you feel great, however I’ve read your update OP and am afraid to say I totally agree with the 3 comments/advice you’ve had since you updated.
I feel like I need to be harsh with you and really blunt but don’t want to cause offence or upset you when you’re clearly a really decent and nice guy. I’m very straight talking (a spade is a spade with me) and as @richdeniro has said in his last message to you, I second that ‘your marriage is done’. Can you see this?!

I don’t think you’ll listen properly to any of the advice you’ve been given on here or elsewhere as it’s clear you love your wife and don’t want to break up your family. I understand this as you have young kids too. You’re a decent man and you got married for a reason, of course you want it to work out and ideally no-one wants their kids to grow up with a dad who isn’t with their mum but to be blunt your wife is taking the absolute piss out of you. If this was happening to me, his bags would be packed and by the door. Nothing further to discuss. She was told to stop contact with him. THAT should have been the end of it all. The only updates you should be giving on here are telling us that there’s been no contact at all and she has blocked him or changed her number and that you’re working on rebuilding trust. Instead, she’s using her anxiety as a very poor excuse for her underhand and deceitful behaviour.

You honestly are being walked over by your wife. I don’t think she wants to be friends with this guy at all, there’s definitely interest on her part and his and she’s lying about it. He couldn’t give a toss about you either or your message to back off, hence he’s still talking to her. All this, he’s a shoulder for her as he’s not someone really close to her...are you really this naive?

She’s treating you like a real fool. This is not the update I wanted, I’m sorry. I think I can see how this will pan out and you’ll be a fool who stays with her. It’s such a hard situation because you love your wife and your family but she will not make you happy. She sounds like she has you just where she wants you...wouldn’t it be lovely to all have relationships/marriages where we can use anxiety as an excuse for our behaviour and to get our own way and as a permanent excuse for any ‘naughty’ or underhand behaviour. She will also play on this when she physically ends up cheating on you. It’s all excuses and I don’t know what it will take for you to see the light.

As for her never being able to accept she is in the wrong, she doesn’t actually sound a very nice person. I have suffered with anxiety and I have never used it as an excuse for my behaviour. I just worry a lot about things. Your wife when she eventually physically does cheat with this guy or someone else, she will say it wasn’t her fault because her anxiety was playing up. She wasn’t in the right place. I think you’ll get very hurt OP and the right advice is to walk away.

Oh and she should be bending over backwards to make things up to you after letting you down and for her deceit, trying to convince you that you can trust her again. I’m not seeing this. Please think with your head and not your heart. And do update again soon.

gambit18 · 21/10/2018 06:48

Sorry.. maybe my message last night wasn’t clear.. the time on WhatsApp was on Wednesday...

She sent the message on Thursday asking him again to stop messaging , which is the one I saw on her sisters phone.

She has deleted his number out of her phone.. I have also checked her notes on her phone, which is where I am 99% sure she would have kept a note if she hadn’t got it added to her contacts..

On top of that , since Her sister came around on thursday, her phone behaviour is back to normal.. ie she now just leaves on the unit as per in the past, rather than next to her.. she is rarely on WhatsApp or Facebook etc. Will update later thanks

OP posts:
Blackness78 · 21/10/2018 07:16

She didnt want to appear rude and ignore them

"Hi, it's been great talking to you but I really do need to concentrate on my family and my marriage. I am therefore deleting your number".

Hardly rude. Just straight to the point.

Don't let her lead you a merry dance; you deserve better.

Mrsm2812 · 21/10/2018 07:54

What the above poster said is correct, a simple and polite message saying it’s been nice speaking to you but I have a family and a husband to concentrate on would have put all this right.

It’s good that she is behaving normally again with her phone, but just because she has deleted his number, has she actually blocked his number because he still has hers so presumably can still try and contact when he wants. Are you sure she hasn’t saved his number under another name? Written it down somewhere in a book? Given it to a friend, just in case? It just doesn’t sound like she has done enough to me.

HereForTheLineEyes · 21/10/2018 10:03

I really hope it all works our for you OP. You sound lovely, and I don't blame you for trying your best to keep your marriage intact and your family together. I really hope your your wife completely and finally cuts this near stranger out of your lives and you go on to rebuild things. You can't keep your family together by yourself. She has to put the effort in too.

HereForTheLineEyes · 21/10/2018 10:04

Oh and make sure she hasn't saved his number in under a different name.

gambit18 · 21/10/2018 13:29

Hi,

Pretty sure they have ceased contact.. Her phone has been on kitchen unit all day..

Had a few words today, but its not a good place .. She accepts she is in the wrong, but there is always a "but"... ie brings back argumets from 4 years ago etc..

Wondering now if she has NPS.. her mum even said on Tuesday that she needed to see somebody becuase of the way she can be...

Coule of traits..
She is NEVER EVER in the wrong.. If she is, and she cant lie her way out of it, then there will be a reason as to why she did what she did, to deflect blame off her... ie in this instance, she accepts she is wrong and has upset me, but "what about all the times you upset me in 2015 when xxxxx etc "...

Like i have mentioned before, she gets anxious over the simplest things... To the point where she wont sleep.. Her method of coping is to make notes on her phone.. she lives by them, if its something she cant address there and then.. But she will do anything and everything to get it off her mind, which then leads to rows..

The majority of our big rows over our realtionship have actually been over her irrational processes.. for example, when we had child number one, she decided out of the blue she wanted a new car.. Just like that.. she then went out that day and negotiated the worst deal ever... the sales guy saw her coming.. But she wouldnt listen. She wanted a car that day.. I refused to pay the difference as it was a bad deal and she lost it.. ie wanted to break up etc...
Same happened over her cosmetic surgery.. Decided one day she wanted it, just like that... made an appointment 3 days later at a clinic, and wanted it done ASAP.. we couldnt afford it, so she insited on a loan.. I refused and said we could save up in 2 months, but that wasnt good enought.. She wanted it in weeks, not months... She then asked her mum and dad to foor the finance bill.. becuase in her head, it was needed..But she didnt speak to me for days becuase i refused to do a finance agreement. In January, she decided she wanted a new sofa, although the reviews were mixed on the company... Didnt matter.. She wanted one, so it was ordered... We had the issues that the negative reviews mentioned, so she wanted a new one... But in her mind, she doesnt see the money we have spent already, she just wants the new sofa.. They offered to take it back, minus a 20% re stock charge for known faults.. But she would have accepted that, as she wanted a new sofa ( i got involved and we reduced it to just paying the original P & P ) .. We fell out with me becuase i refused to let her order a new one until we had the money back in the bank for the faulty one... but it was all my fault ... These are just of the extreme examaples, but there are lots of small ones.. just things like getting a room decorated.. she wants it done that day.. regardless of prep, she would splash paint on the walls without a thought for the carpets or any dinks in the wall...

I am painting a bad picture of her here, and i love her dearly.. But am not wondering if she does have some underlying issues ( ie NPD ) that we need to address...

OP posts:
JessieLemon · 21/10/2018 15:08

And yet you chose to reproduce with her, knowing these serious issues were present.

How does it feel being her lapdog/cuckold?

richdeniro · 21/10/2018 15:14

It sounds to me like she is definitely on the Cluster B spectrum. She sounds very selfish and the issues she has with having to have something there and then are very worrying because combined with her irrational thinking what if she has decided she wants to have an affair with this guy. It sounds like being married, having children or even you knowing about it would not stop her and she'd just have to have it regardless of the consequences.

SandyY2K · 21/10/2018 15:24

If she admits she's wrong and comes up with "but"... tell her to stop right there or you're done.

If she cant accept 100% responsibility she doesn't get it.

Have you ever considered she's got a burner phone? That's standard for cheaters.

Mrsm2812 · 21/10/2018 15:29

Hi OP or anyone else on the thread, can someone tell me what NPD is? Or NPS?
From what you’ve said, whether your wife is still in contact with the guy or not... it definitely sounds like something is wrong with your wife for her to be so impulsive about things. Wanting/demanding things like you’ve described and wanting them there and then. It’s not rational behaviour. If these things are not addressed, she may only get worse and as @richdeniro says, what if she decides or decided she wanted that man there and then. Her instincts told her that she must have that man:that affair? Would she go for it and then claim it’s nkt her fault, it’s her illness/state of mind/mental health etc? I’m sorry but I don’t like it when people use these things to make excuses for their actions or behaviour. Regardless of whether she needs help or not, you are always going to be the one caught up in it or having to pick up the pieces or in this case with this other guy, pay the price for her actions. You sound far too nice to be putting up with someone like this.

gambit18 · 21/10/2018 19:36

Narcissistic personality disorder..

Although i'm 100% sure she would never accept she is..

OP posts:
Mrsm2812 · 21/10/2018 20:50

Thanks OP, I’ll have to Google that. How are things tonight?

richdeniro · 21/10/2018 22:07

@Mrsm2812 Have a read of this, seeing the behaviours of these types of people can really give you a lot of insight www.mentalhelp.net/articles/dsm-5-the-ten-personality-disorders-cluster-b/

Mrsm2812 · 21/10/2018 23:22

@richdeniro - Thanks, will have a read now x

AssuranceNeeded · 22/10/2018 03:09

Try this for size... my wife did lots of messaging to another man who was a predator, I do not understand why she did it and why she engaged with him and responded. Where we got to after (days/ weeks of discussion) was that she was a a people pleaser and could not say a simple no your conversation is inappropriate . That was a few months ago and just yesterday I asked myself the following two questions 1) Would she cheat on me? Ans most likely NO as she has been very open and honest since and she can explain the inappropriate comms that happened (incl dick pics from him!!) 2) Could she cheat on me - absolutely yes as she has lied and disrespected me (in her previous actions) - these are the main conditions that need to be in place to allow anyone to have an affair, so yes she could - your experience sounds the same so where do we both go form here. Be vigilant or leave?

ShatnersWig · 22/10/2018 08:24

Mate, I really don't know what you want from us? We're all still pretty much of the same opinion that you're being taken for a mug, but you still want to continue the marriage with someone you will never trust properly again and whose behaviour is simply unacceptable in a partner.

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