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Wife communication with other men.

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gambit18 · 18/10/2018 12:05

Hello,

My head is a mess , and I am after some advice.

I have been with my wife for 10 years. We have 4 wonderful children.

Like all relationships, we both have our faults and we have ups and downs, but we have never really come close to separating.

4 months ago she went out with her friends. All was fine apart from her hangover on the following day. Unfortunately for her, she asked me to plug her phone in to charge, just as a friend text her asking “so spill the goss on you and that Mark”

My name isn’t Mark lol -

I challenged her about it, and she said it was her mate texting the wrong person. She got really defensive and aggressive and just wanted to change the subject. She was also very insistent on showing me her phone, to prove there was nothing untoward.

I still suspected something was amiss so logged on to our online bill ( we share an account ) and low and behold, there were 12 messages a random number which weren’t on the phone

I asked her again If there was anything she wanted to tell me, or if she had deleted any calls / messages. she swore on that she hadn’t…
I told her I knew about the texts…

She was distraught and started to explain - Her take being a male friend of one of the girls she was with started to chat to her and was a bit flirty and touchy, but it was all one sided – but he was very polite and nice to her. As she was going home on her own, he insisted on her number to check she got home safely - they exchanged a few drunk texts on the way home and a couple the next morning.. She admits that some of the drunk ones may have been slightly inappropriate and overfly flirty after a few drinks – but cant remember as she was drunk… …

I’m not sure if anything would have happened if I hadn’t clocked on. She swears it’s the only time it has happened.

After many hearts to hearts we discussed why she felt the need to do this, and she said she liked getting attention and feeling loved. One of my downfalls being that I don’t text her multiple times a day to see how she is, or buy her flowers as much as I used to. We agreed to move forward and both make that extra effort. If I am honest, it was the best thing we ever did… As it was like a clean slate, and we have gone a few months in a happy and loving environment…

Until last weekend. She started acting a bit distant, and started to always carry her phone with her.. I got suspicious and heard her phone vibrate when on the unit - , i saw a facebook message from a guy on her home screen.. I couldn’t read the whole thing without opening her phone, but it was a man, asking how she was I think. I never got the whole jist or content -

I decided to check once she had read the message (I’m sure people will bash me for this ) and the message had gone. I asked her about it, and she says it’s just a guy she met on a night out, but he is just a friend, and there is nothing wrong with messaging a mate. I asked why I had never heard of him, and why delete the message. her reasoning being, after the rows last time, she didn’t want to open up old wounds. This has caused big rows, as it’s a massive blow to the trust we have been rebuilding. She said that she would stop the messaging, but had done nothing wrong.

Unfortunately, that didn’t happen and on Monday she was active on facebook chat every 10 – 15 minutes. This went on all day until I got home from work. She admitted that she had sent a message or two, but it was just general chit chat. She had also deleted them, as they were nothing to do with me. We agreed that we needed to move forward from this, and she said she would stop the contact. She apologised for doing this but swore it was innocent chit chat. Come Tuesday, she showed as active on chat again from 9am, through the whole day. Every 10 – 15 minutes, she was active.

When I got home from work, she admitted that she had sent a few messages, and again told me they were innocent, and I shouldn’t be telling her who she can talk to. Based on the frequency of the online activity, i suspect it was a lot moe than a few. I eventually said it may have been 6 or 7. She also said she wasn’t sure if she wanted us to stay together any more.

I had a conversation with her mother, who she had also lied to. She had told her mother that she had ceased contact on the Sunday, so her mother was a bit upset to learn she was still messaging the guy.
Yesterday her mother came around as soon as the children were at school and talked some sense into her. She messaged the guy explaining that these messages weren’t healthy, and had caused some rows at home. She did this in front of her mother. She apologised last night and we need to assess where we go from here.
She swears (and I do believe her) that the content was just chit chat, and she doesn’t believe the guy had altera motives, and wouldn’t have chatted to him if he had.

My partner can suffers from anxiety attacks. It never really affects us on a day to day field, but if something crops us that worries her, she needs to resolve the issue, or it consumes her until its fixed. If she can’t sort an issue out that day, she can’t sleep properly.
Her reasoning for all of this is that things have been so good for months and because we have been getting on so well, she Is continually anxious with worry about us having a falling out, or an argument that will burst this bubble. She is saying that she has been so worried about us having an argument, that that has been on her mind just as much as how good things have been. She says she is also constantly worried that I am unsatisfied with her. i.e. if I send her a really sweat message when at work, she never knows what to write back, and then gets herself in a state over whether it will make me smile like mine made her smile.

She says she was worried about me finding out that a guy had messaged her. Because it was innocent message asking about one of her friends, she felt rude not to reply, but by replying, she felt guilty for doing it, and also worried that if I did find out, it would cause us to argue or break up. This worry then turned into anxiety and then started to make her doubt if we should still be together if messaging a guy caused such rows. To top that off, once we did start to row, she told this guy about our argument, who offered a shoulder to cry on, hence 2 days of multiple messages.

Since Wednesday, she hasn’t been on the Facebook chat at all.
I love her and trust that she hasn’t and never would physically cheat on me, but can’t get my head around why she feels the need to message other men. Because the content is innocent, she sees the messages as innocent and won’t change her view on that. She refuses to accept that these “innocent conversations” could ever lead anywhere. I’m wondering if she Is experiencing “grass is always greener” syndrome, or it is the butterfly feeling of having somebody new should interest in you.

I love her and know we can work / manage the anxiety. My concern is the need for attention from other parties. I personally don’t think this is healthy or acceptable, even if innocent.

In my head I’m thinking “grass is always greener” syndrome..

Any advise would be appreciated.

thanks

OP posts:
BloodyDraculcasonthis · 19/10/2018 08:10

Sorry but I'm going to say this ..

If she wanted him to not message her... She could have blocked him after the first message. She has chosen not to block and instead has responded.. not the actions of someone who doesn't want to talk.

ShatnersWig · 19/10/2018 08:15

What kind of man must he be chasing after a married woman with children. Scumbag.

And what kind of woman must she be encouraging it! Because she certainly did. And her behaviour once you discovered the initial stuff - she didn't stop, she carried on.

Your last message is very much putting the blame on him but I'm sorry, I think your wife has behaved appallingly, and it would take a considerable time before I could trust her again (not sure I could, actually, and I'd probably move out and decided what I wanted).

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 08:27

I would have to agree with what ShatnersWig says there as well, as Hilary I think you have definitely done the right thing in messaging him and telling him to l abe alone, it does sound a lot like you blame him. He is a scumbag in my opinion for going after a married woman but she didn’t have to give her number or respond to anything. I don’t want to sound harsh but to me, it sounds like there has been some temptation on her part. She might have come to her senses and realised it’s hee husband she wants and loves but you don’t behave like this if you’re happy and settled with your marriage. It is deceitful how she has behaved and she has a lot of work to do to make it up. I honestly think it’ll take time to repair the trust and I don’t think you have behaved wrongly in any of this. Don’t accept any blame or finger pointing, you have done what any normal husband or wife would have done. I just wonder how you’ll feel next time your wife goes out on a night out without you, are you going to be done or are you going to worry? I really hope she works hard to make this up to you

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 08:28

Sorry for the typo’s, ignore ‘Hilary’!

POPholditdown · 19/10/2018 08:54

Are you sure that any individual messages haven’t been deleted before she sent the ‘copies’ to her sister?

I dont use fb chat so not entirely sure if it’s possible or would be obvious (like on whatsapp it says ‘you have deleted this message’).

But I was once fobbed off with the ‘she was texting me, I was innocent’ but when I read the messages, it was blatant that some had been deleted, as the conversation didn’t flow. He’d just left all hers and some basic replies from him so it didn’t look too suspicious.

POPholditdown · 19/10/2018 08:56

Meant to add. Despite telling him to stop contacting her, she obviously had no intention of stopping as she must have whatsapped him first, for him to be able to reply to her.

gambit18 · 19/10/2018 11:19

Well it got interesting last night...

He did reply and told me that he was not interested in my wife, and i was being daft ( his words ) - to be fair he sent me shots of the initial chats ( i didnt ask for these ) and said he just wanted to set her mate up with his.. All that chats do confirm this..

After i found out about the messages, she started to talk about the argument and it went from there. He says he was just being helpful, and has no motive and is offended that i even suggest it..

I asked him to stop messaging, and to leave my wife alone.. He said he wasnt here to cause issues....

I didnt really discuss this with my wife this morning, as i left early..

But it does tie in with her story..

HOWEVER..... it gets interesting ..

10 mins after i left the house, i checked facebook chat and saw she had been online 2 minutes earlier.. nothing wrong there... And then as the screen refreshed, he appeared... as i have messaged him, he shows up on my list..

he stayed online for 5 minutes and went offline..

30 minutes later my wife appeared online again..
2 minutes later she went off.. he popped up for 3 minutes..

She is driving at the moment,so know she wont be online for a bit.. But i will keep looking.. once.. odd... twice... suspicious.. i think 3 times and its case closed..

OP posts:
JessieLemon · 19/10/2018 11:23

Really? You need one more for this to be ‘case closed’?

It’s funny how your wife is so good at playing dumb, like she ‘didn’t realise’ how it’d look, doesn’t understand why you have reason not to trust her after past behaviour, doesn’t think it’s inappropriate to swap numbers with strange men after flirting on a night out.

you’re either dumb or believing what you wanna believe OP. I don’t mean that nastily.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 11:52

It sounds like they are still in contact with each other. After I confronted my ex about her messaging other guys she minimised it and reassured me nothing was going.

I went through another week seeing them both online at exactly the same times when on Whatsapp. It was obvious they were still chatting - I know it's stalky but I could even see her popping online for a few seconds probably to check if he was online or read her messages. Then when he did appear online she would appear a few seconds later and they'd stay online for ages before both going offline simultaneously. It was so obvious.

I confronted her again, this time she said she wasn't sleeping around but was chatting and said it was wrong of her. She still didn't stop though but I wasn't in the right state of mind to handle it how I should of and walked away. Instead I became needy and insecure which I know now drove her closer to the new guy.

Obviously I wasn't married to her and we'd only been seeing each other for a few months so I had to let her go when she made the decision to end it with me but at least I know I have boundaries and deserved better than to be disrespected like that.

I was hoping that after reading your post last night that your wife would have come to her senses and also seeing how you reacted thought to herself that she cannot disrespect you or cross your boundaries but having read your latest post perhaps she is thinking that she has got away with it and you won't be as suspicious anymore. I know that's what my ex thought to herself after she tried to minimise and make excuses for her behaviour.

HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 11:58

Are you sure all these messages that your wife's sister and this man are sending you as proof are genuine? Can you see their phone numbers or just their names?

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 12:03

Also the whole thing about setting up a mate. That's a very easy story to concoct together.... perhaps they even planned to send a few messages along those lines to throw you off the scent.

People do strange things when in the midst of affairs, even emotional ones to try and cover their tracks.

Not trying to put thoughts in your head but it's worth considering.

hellsbellsmelons · 19/10/2018 12:07

but the fact he has her mobile and is now messaging her after she has asked him to stop ( not so bluntly, but its clear and polite ) has annoyed me..
But why doesn't she just block him?
That's what doesn't make sense to me.
She doesn't want to hear from him so she blocks.
It's really simple!!!!!

yetmorecrap · 19/10/2018 12:16

I have a friend OP who when life gets ‘dull creates drama , as I said earlier I think your wife likes/liked the buzz . It brings up those ‘initial dating’ hormones, even if nothing untoward is going on. I would totally back off , act totally normal and go undercover snoop. If she continues with this then it’s being incredibly disrespectful as she knows how you feel and clearly is either hooked on the deceit or buzz and you have to decide what to do then.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 12:21

The worrying thing also thinking about it is they are both aware you are kind of onto them. Not knowing what their personality types are, perhaps this is adding to the thrill and excitement of it all. You said that your wife suffers from anxiety. Have a google of how anxiety and attraction are linked, she might be messaging him about it all and slowly becoming more attracted to him.

What is your wife like op? Is she kind and empathetic or does she show 'Cluster B' type tendencies (have a google of that too and/or read the Narcissist thread on here that was started a couple of days ago).

yetmorecrap · 19/10/2018 12:22

I say this OP having had a similar experience, all innocent enough chit chat but he worked at home and I think found our ‘colleague’ chit chatting on text quite a fun distraction and good for the ego , but knew full well it would annoy me and hence hid it

HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 12:28

Why did she send copies of these messages to her sister? Seems like a very odd thing to do....

ShatnersWig · 19/10/2018 12:29

Stop being a mug.

user1495390685 · 19/10/2018 12:29

Maybe this is irrelevant, but you have 4 kids! I have only 2 and my job and my family to think of, but I find that takes almost every single minute of my waking hours. She is spending her energies on this guy, on nights out getting so plastered she can't remember what she texted. She sounds like a rubbish partner to bring up children with. And you sound like a really reasonable guy!

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 13:42

Hi again - I’m really sorry to say this so blunty but I honestly think you’re being taken for a mug! He’s said to you that he’s ‘insulted’ you’d think he was interested in your wife! How about you’re insulted he won’t keabe your wife alone. None of it rings right with me, and the fact you’re having to keep checking to see if your wife is online etc (which is totally understandable given the circumstances) but you will be like this for weeks, even months. If he was a decent guy, he would have taken heed of the message you sent him telling him to back off and he would have done exactly that. Instead, he’s playing the ‘we’re just friends’ card, yet they met on a night out! As someone I think said further up, how many friends do you make on a night out? And I don’t buy the whole story to set friends up with each other. Did you honestly think he’d message you back and say, well actually I really fancy the pants off your wife?! You totally did do the right thing getting in contact with him but I think my message would have been a bit firmer (nastier) making it plain to back off. She doesnr even know this guy and no-one sends this many messages about trying to set two friends up. Unless they’re both maybe ten... I think you’re way too good for her OP.

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 14:11

Also as @richdeniro said, they both know you’re on to them. Fake messages could have been sent to try put you off the scent. They’ll also be doubly more careful now of anything is to continue. I think a lot of the problem is obviously how you feel about your wife and you want to make it work so you’ll be trying to reassure yourself that there’s nothing going on emotionally or ther, but I’m still not convinced by her or him.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 14:17

Also for the time being I wouldn't mention anything about knowing that they're online both at the same times if you're going to continue digging. If you mention this they'll just hide their online status and go even more covert.

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 14:42

@richdeniro - Agree that you don’t say much more about the situation to your wife for now and try and have a ‘normal’ weekend together. This will enable you to be clever and keep an eye on what’s going on but in a sneaky way. I think you have to keep checking up but don’t let her know you’re doing it and if you act a bit less bothered by the whole thing, it will make you appear less needy and insecure which you don’t want her to see. Naturally you will feel insecure at the moment and I don’t mean ‘needy’ in a bad way. But as @richdeniro said earlier or last night, you’ll come across that way by questioning her etc. I’d go sort of undercover for now and try act as normal as possible with your wife but do everything you can to keep tabs on the situation and basically do your best to find out if anything is still going on.
If after the weekend you discover they are still messaging then I think you have your answer. She should be cutting all contact. If she cares at all for you and her marriage to you. She should be putting you first.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 14:44

Could you ask any of her mates? The one's she was out with the night she met him.... they might be able to shed some light on the matter and even though they would be loyal to her their own morals might be enough to let you know for yours and your children's sake. Even if they tell you something like they were chatting all night or even saw them share a kiss. At least you'll have a bit more insight into it rather than the minimising that she's doing.

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 14:52

I don’t think her friends would give anything away. The OP said that he first saw a message from one of his wife’s friends
To his wife asking for ‘the goss’ on his wife and ‘mark’. So if anything, her friends don’t sound great when they know she is married. I think it’s odd for a married woman to behave like this and be swapping numbers with men she meets on a night out.

HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 14:57

I think it's really odd. As some one said upstairs where is she even getting the time and energy? We have 3 DC (pregnant with #4) and my focus is on my husband and kids.

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