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Wife communication with other men.

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gambit18 · 18/10/2018 12:05

Hello,

My head is a mess , and I am after some advice.

I have been with my wife for 10 years. We have 4 wonderful children.

Like all relationships, we both have our faults and we have ups and downs, but we have never really come close to separating.

4 months ago she went out with her friends. All was fine apart from her hangover on the following day. Unfortunately for her, she asked me to plug her phone in to charge, just as a friend text her asking “so spill the goss on you and that Mark”

My name isn’t Mark lol -

I challenged her about it, and she said it was her mate texting the wrong person. She got really defensive and aggressive and just wanted to change the subject. She was also very insistent on showing me her phone, to prove there was nothing untoward.

I still suspected something was amiss so logged on to our online bill ( we share an account ) and low and behold, there were 12 messages a random number which weren’t on the phone

I asked her again If there was anything she wanted to tell me, or if she had deleted any calls / messages. she swore on that she hadn’t…
I told her I knew about the texts…

She was distraught and started to explain - Her take being a male friend of one of the girls she was with started to chat to her and was a bit flirty and touchy, but it was all one sided – but he was very polite and nice to her. As she was going home on her own, he insisted on her number to check she got home safely - they exchanged a few drunk texts on the way home and a couple the next morning.. She admits that some of the drunk ones may have been slightly inappropriate and overfly flirty after a few drinks – but cant remember as she was drunk… …

I’m not sure if anything would have happened if I hadn’t clocked on. She swears it’s the only time it has happened.

After many hearts to hearts we discussed why she felt the need to do this, and she said she liked getting attention and feeling loved. One of my downfalls being that I don’t text her multiple times a day to see how she is, or buy her flowers as much as I used to. We agreed to move forward and both make that extra effort. If I am honest, it was the best thing we ever did… As it was like a clean slate, and we have gone a few months in a happy and loving environment…

Until last weekend. She started acting a bit distant, and started to always carry her phone with her.. I got suspicious and heard her phone vibrate when on the unit - , i saw a facebook message from a guy on her home screen.. I couldn’t read the whole thing without opening her phone, but it was a man, asking how she was I think. I never got the whole jist or content -

I decided to check once she had read the message (I’m sure people will bash me for this ) and the message had gone. I asked her about it, and she says it’s just a guy she met on a night out, but he is just a friend, and there is nothing wrong with messaging a mate. I asked why I had never heard of him, and why delete the message. her reasoning being, after the rows last time, she didn’t want to open up old wounds. This has caused big rows, as it’s a massive blow to the trust we have been rebuilding. She said that she would stop the messaging, but had done nothing wrong.

Unfortunately, that didn’t happen and on Monday she was active on facebook chat every 10 – 15 minutes. This went on all day until I got home from work. She admitted that she had sent a message or two, but it was just general chit chat. She had also deleted them, as they were nothing to do with me. We agreed that we needed to move forward from this, and she said she would stop the contact. She apologised for doing this but swore it was innocent chit chat. Come Tuesday, she showed as active on chat again from 9am, through the whole day. Every 10 – 15 minutes, she was active.

When I got home from work, she admitted that she had sent a few messages, and again told me they were innocent, and I shouldn’t be telling her who she can talk to. Based on the frequency of the online activity, i suspect it was a lot moe than a few. I eventually said it may have been 6 or 7. She also said she wasn’t sure if she wanted us to stay together any more.

I had a conversation with her mother, who she had also lied to. She had told her mother that she had ceased contact on the Sunday, so her mother was a bit upset to learn she was still messaging the guy.
Yesterday her mother came around as soon as the children were at school and talked some sense into her. She messaged the guy explaining that these messages weren’t healthy, and had caused some rows at home. She did this in front of her mother. She apologised last night and we need to assess where we go from here.
She swears (and I do believe her) that the content was just chit chat, and she doesn’t believe the guy had altera motives, and wouldn’t have chatted to him if he had.

My partner can suffers from anxiety attacks. It never really affects us on a day to day field, but if something crops us that worries her, she needs to resolve the issue, or it consumes her until its fixed. If she can’t sort an issue out that day, she can’t sleep properly.
Her reasoning for all of this is that things have been so good for months and because we have been getting on so well, she Is continually anxious with worry about us having a falling out, or an argument that will burst this bubble. She is saying that she has been so worried about us having an argument, that that has been on her mind just as much as how good things have been. She says she is also constantly worried that I am unsatisfied with her. i.e. if I send her a really sweat message when at work, she never knows what to write back, and then gets herself in a state over whether it will make me smile like mine made her smile.

She says she was worried about me finding out that a guy had messaged her. Because it was innocent message asking about one of her friends, she felt rude not to reply, but by replying, she felt guilty for doing it, and also worried that if I did find out, it would cause us to argue or break up. This worry then turned into anxiety and then started to make her doubt if we should still be together if messaging a guy caused such rows. To top that off, once we did start to row, she told this guy about our argument, who offered a shoulder to cry on, hence 2 days of multiple messages.

Since Wednesday, she hasn’t been on the Facebook chat at all.
I love her and trust that she hasn’t and never would physically cheat on me, but can’t get my head around why she feels the need to message other men. Because the content is innocent, she sees the messages as innocent and won’t change her view on that. She refuses to accept that these “innocent conversations” could ever lead anywhere. I’m wondering if she Is experiencing “grass is always greener” syndrome, or it is the butterfly feeling of having somebody new should interest in you.

I love her and know we can work / manage the anxiety. My concern is the need for attention from other parties. I personally don’t think this is healthy or acceptable, even if innocent.

In my head I’m thinking “grass is always greener” syndrome..

Any advise would be appreciated.

thanks

OP posts:
HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 14:58

Oops *upthread.

You sound lovely OP. A real family man.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 15:09

@Mrsm2812 She might have in a way emotionally checked out of her marriage which is why she’s getting all the numbers on nights out. My ex soon discovered she was attractive to the opposite sex once she had rebuilt her confidence from being with me. She was loving the attention and had at least 3-4 numbers on her phone that were unsaved contacts so suspect they were numbers from guys given to her on nights out.

@HereForTheLineEyes My Ex had three kids all primary school age. She made time for me and the other guy she had on the go. When a woman like this is infactuated and wants something she will make time and go to all sorts of lengths to feel attractive and get what she wants. I used to see my ex online at all hours and as her ex husband wasn’t the type to go out much the kids weee obviously fobbed off to him to babysit.

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 15:26

I hope the OP comes back on later or over the weekend to give us an update and I agree he sounds like a really nice guy who deserves much better. No-one deserves to be treated like this.
@richdeniro - I agree with what you’re saying, your ex with 3 kids in tow still managed to mess about with someone else. If someone is like that or has switched off on their relationship/marriage than they’ll find the time. If any of it was innocent and the OP’s wife was setting up a friend then she wouldn’t have invested all this time on that. There must be more to this.

richdeniro · 19/10/2018 15:40

Also it’s very unlikely she’s being logical about any of this. I know this is a mostly female dominated forum and I’m just going from my previous experience with my ex but she seems from what the op has said to be much more emotionally led rather than thinking logically about her marriage, the kids, etc. All she’s thinking about at the moment is how this guy is making her feel... attractive, desired and recapturing that feeling she had when younger.

My ex was emotionally cheating on me with a guy who was a neo nazi, someone who had been in prison for a road rage hammer attack amongst others, the complete opposite of me who is stable, kind, caring, etc. I don’t know if she ended things with me to explore it further with one of those guys but she left me for someone and she obviously wasn’t thinking logically, she even told me the reason she was ending it was because she ‘needed to fancy someone more’ which in my view was that she was just drawn to them for the way they made her feel at the time they were chatting online and meeting up in the early days.

JessieLemon · 19/10/2018 15:51

I think it's really odd. As some one said upstairs where is she even getting the time and energy

People will always make the time/effort to do what’s important and meaningful to them.

gambit18 · 19/10/2018 16:11

Okay - to add to the wierd.. I left work early has my head was in the shed. I had out the 2 messages with her, and she swore she hadnt.. She then logged into the app to "prove it".. i told her she was a liar and she had deleted them.. To be fair, the 2 messages she has sent from the times above were there... To friends, and just about kids parties.. I looked at my phone, and guess who then appeared online.. Yes... He appears online on messanger.. Wierd..

I asked her to close messanger and not to use it.. 3 minutes later, offline he goes.. not messages nothing..

Gave it 30 minutes and asked her to go online again... 3 guesses as to who then appeared....

This is no wind up.. I have had messager open all day, and he has appeard online a couple of times other than the 2 occasions i mentioned this morning... But i have witnessed this myself..She went online, and he follows shotrtly after.. no idea how or why... but i have seen him appear online on my phone within minutes of my wife coming online.. she is playing it off, but she certintly hasnt made any effort to communicate this PM.. yet he has appeared online twice, seconds after she does..

OP posts:
m0vinf0rward · 19/10/2018 16:33

He's clearly keen to continue this. He knows he's causing trouble but now is probably doing it to piss you off even if your wife is not responding.

HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 16:46

I agree jessie - I think OP and their kids should be what's important and meaningful to her.

HereForTheLineEyes · 19/10/2018 16:47

Why hasn't she blocked him OP?

JessieLemon · 19/10/2018 16:48

Why are you focusing on the fact the trash needs taking out when your house is burning down?

And why bother post on here if you’re going to ignore the majority of the replies and advice you’re getting?

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 16:49

I second that, why hasn’t she blocked him or done something to stop all contact?!
@richdeniro - I think you sound lovely too

Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 17:03

Hi OP - it may well be that your wife isn’t messaging this guy anymore and is being honest with you, however the fact that he is still going online seconds after her etc shows he is still trying and still keen despite being told by you. It’s your wife that needs to make it plain to him she is not interested and wants to cut contact.

gambit18 · 19/10/2018 17:04

TBH, i havent even had that conversation.. I have spent the last 2 days sorting out the facts from assumptions and guessing etc.. And to be fair to her, everything she has said about the content and the initial messaging was true.. She holds her hands up to the fact she lied and hid the messages ( which i have now seen from him and reads just like she explained ) .. I dont agree ( and we need to address ) her reason for hiding them, but from her side, i suspect she thought it was one or two messages to set her mate up and didnt want to rock the boat after what happened before.. She admits openly that when he carried on messaging, she was in a bad place. She didnt want to appear rude and ignore them, but also couldnt then tell me about them, as she had deleted the first few days worth, and was worried that would look suspicious.. Obviously when i did find out, it blew up and instead of stepping back, she spoke to him.. SHe couldnt speak to her mum or sisters, as they would be disapointed for deleting the messages, after last time.. We need to work this out over the weekend, but neither of us slept last night, so the kids are off to their nans and we will try and get some sleep. No point making life changing decissions on 2 hours sleep.. will update next week..

thank

OP posts:
Mrsm2812 · 19/10/2018 18:03

I agree OP that you both probably need some sleep but I wouldn’t let her pull the wool over your eyes with any of this. You say he started messaging over getting two people set up together, it’s a bit odd really that he has kept messaging about something like that and even more odd that your wife has continued to message. If is all so innocent, why does she feel bad. She would have told you if it was all totally innocent - that’s my opinion anyway. And Mumsnet is not just for women or even mums, it’s for anyone and I think plenty of men come on here. Have a good weekend OP and get some sleep and I hope you work it out but please do update us if anything happens or after the weekend as you sound such a decent guy and I’m sure we’d all like to know what happens.

Minionmomma · 19/10/2018 21:01

Your wife has been mpanting about your marriage to this man. Why else would he think it’s acceptable to advise her that walking away from his marriage made him stronger and was the best thing he did? People don’t just throw about comments like that. This relationship is, at the very least, on the verge of an emotional affair.

Minionmomma · 19/10/2018 21:02

*complaining about your marriage

Butterfly44 · 19/10/2018 21:13

If WhatsApp is her mode of communication download WhatsApp detective. It's free for 48h. You can enter in one or two numbers and you'll get a report of when and how they were on line for. They won't ever know.

TalkInRiddles · 19/10/2018 21:47

Hi @Gambit, sorry to hear you are going through this. I may be wrong here but it may be that this guy gets notified when your wife is online and so he in turn goes online when he knows she's on in order to strike up a conversation.

From the sounds of this guy, he sounds unhinged and your wife should block him from all messaging apps, plus block his number from her phone altogether.

Off-topic, but he sounds like a creep I used to say who used to bombard me with multiple texts and messages before I even had chance to respond to the first one. In the end I felt like I could breathe for his bombardment so I blocked him.
This guy sounds stalker-ish.

As for your wife, hmmm she's not entirely innocent. If she wants to 'prove' herself to you, she needs to block the weirdo.

I'm sorry you are going through this shit.

TalkInRiddles · 19/10/2018 21:49

I used to date*

Mrsm2812 · 20/10/2018 16:43

Hi Op - I just wondered how things were going?

gambit18 · 20/10/2018 21:29

Hi,

So not a positive day. We looked a session with a councilor, but cant get one until the end of next week...

More positive after sleep..

Since all this started i have been making notes - Sounds crazy to some, but after last time, she would back track / change her story when proven wrong.. Hence i made the list...

So i noted on Wed that she had stopped using facebook, and i assume it becuase she had messaged him to stop...I have seen the message..

However, i also clocked on Wedesday that although she wasnt on facebook, she was on whatspp all morning.. I screengrabbed all the "online" and "last seen at" for the whole morning - how much of a stalker do i sound..

So today i totted up how long she had been online for - 1 hours and 19 minutes out of the 2 hours and 50 minutes that morning !!!...

I pulled her about it today and it blew up.. she said she had admitted to whatsapping him - I said yes, but only about stopping messaging.. SHe was like.. well thats what this was about.. He kept asking what your partner was annoyed as its all innocent etc and then she had to explain why she had deleted the messages and why i was so bothered becuase of the past etc... becuase he had been so nice and supportive, she felt he deserved an explination.. Again, i actually beloeve that was probably the way the chat went... But thats not the issue.. Its the fact that she knew i was watching facebook , so switched the tool of chat.

I asked why she hadnt just knocked it on the head on sunday again, and she said she had planned to, but when she called her mum on monday upset and explained that she had been daft and deleted inncoent messages, her mum didnt support her ( her mum is very straight up... ie You messed up, you appologise, you need to grow up and sort the mess you have made ) - i cant recall if i mentioned above, but my partner is never in the wrong.. there is always a reason thats somebody elses fault for an action.. Its always been the way, and you just live with it.. So wheh she was naughty first time round, it was my fault becuase of the way i had made her feel in the past ( and i hold my hands up, i am not perfect ) - The call with her mum upset here, her, and then he started asking how she was... he suddenly becamee the ear to listen and tell her how everything would be fine and it wasnt her fault etc.. Thats what she wants to hear.. and her mum did confirm when i spoke to her that they werent on good terms / discussing this as her mum wasnt telling her what she wanted to hear.

And i know people on here keep jumping in about finishing it etc, but i do know what she is like.. We all have her faults.. We saw a counciller a long time ago over a few issues, and one of my main ones issues was "will never accept blame or responsibily - always somebody elses fault" - And its wierd trying to defend her after all the feedback, but she does suffer from anxiety and does have major issues with accepting she is ever at fault.. So in some ways, if i wasnt listening and her own mum was shouting at her, he became the person telling her just what she wanted to hear at that point of feeling low, and building up her selfasteam, after the people closest to her just shout at her.. ..

What i also may have forgot to mention is that our youngest is poorly and since the 11th, my partner is getting 2 to 3 hours night sleep - max.. all broken sleep.. Last night she got about 2 hours and our youngest will only feed from her mum.. which doesnt help. :(

As its not a school day, the kids are here, and i dont want them to pick up on this mess, so we have agreed to leave it until the meeting..

I know ill probably get a lot of comments saying i am a mug for putting up with this - first time round i think she crossed a line.. This time, she has lied and deceived, but i dont believe there was any intent to persue it.. i think she is just exhausted and needs somebody to tell her what she wants to hear, not the truth.. and in that quest to get the positive comments she wants, all other rational or my feelings went out of the window..

Will update when i can.. prob monday :)

thanks

OP posts:
Minionmomma · 20/10/2018 21:41

Dude you are making a lot of exceptions for your wife and her behaviour.

Seriously there is no need for her to have any contact with this man whatsoever. Full stop. But it continues. Despite her knowittgst it upsets you.

She just needs to stop. It’s that simple. But she hasn’t.

As for the never apologising. My DH has this issue and I’ve slowly come to realise that did years now I’ve been dancing to his tune and the respect isn’t as it should be. Your wife sounds narcissistic.

Mymycherrypie · 20/10/2018 21:52

They’ve written a series of fake messages to each other, screen grabbed, sent to her sister as insurance.

Everything you’ve just said there sounds as petty as fuck, she sorts herself out or she doesn’t. The more you entertain this crap, the more crap you’ll get in the future.

LTB

Hopoindown31 · 20/10/2018 21:57

You need to stand up for yourself and tell her the contact stops or you walk.

Sisterlove · 20/10/2018 23:51

You got a couple of days worth of messages once they devised a plan.

Why did she only send the messages to her sister from those days? It's a cover story.

They planned it because you were on the case. She was setting up her alibi.

She tells him to stop contact. .he gives her his number and she messages him on whatsapp. Why not just delete the message? Instead she responds via whatsapp giving him her number. There's no logic in that.

Have you asked which friend of hers is being set up with his friend? Do you know the friend? Is she single?

What's stopping her From deleting his number?

If a woman was messaging you telling you leaving her relationship was the best thing and you should do it, would she like that?