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Noooooooooooooo! Caught DP rubbing one out and it’s freaked me

119 replies

babygoose48 · 12/10/2018 00:07

First time it’s happened in the 4 and half years.

Came home from parents evening tonight and all the lights were on but the door was locked. Went inside, called out to DP... nothing. Grabbed a pile of clean clothes from the kitchen and I heard he was upstairs with a video playing reallllyyyy loudly.

Went up with pile of washing. Noise was coming from bathroom. Shouted out ‘Heyyy!’ Turned corner to bathroom, door was wide open...

DP standing there, audibly watching porn on his phone and rubbing one out.

I was just stood there gawping with this pile of bloody clothes, and then I noticed that he was that far in to it he didn’t even realise I was standing there beside him so I scarpered in to the bedroom.

I sat there for ten minutes panicking and folding these clothes whilst he finished.

I mean, I know he wanks and I know he watches porn as we’ve both told each other we do, but I’ve never caught him in the act and it’s really freaked me out, I’ve never seen him like that before!

Felt dead weird all night, especially when he came to the bedroom and realised I must have walked past at some point and we had a quick chat but I think I’m still in shock.

Please someone make me feel better I don’t know whether to laugh or cry Confused

OP posts:
HolyMushroom · 13/10/2018 00:28

I'm wetting myself laughing at this.
Thank you.

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 00:43

HolyMushroom is that to me? If so, you are easily amused, must be nice.

helacells · 13/10/2018 01:04

Grim. I thought only teenagers abused themselves

sadiesnakes · 13/10/2018 04:28

Seth- You can't come here and argue fairly the pros and cons of porn since you rely on it for income. You're obviously biased and gain financially from people selling themselves sexually for money and therefore your opinions are invalid

Artfooldodger · 13/10/2018 05:23

sethis did very clearly state hypothetically.

sadiesnakes · 13/10/2018 05:37

Artfooldodger, your point please?

Artfooldodger · 13/10/2018 05:54

Sadie, I’m not adept at mn referencing but reading the above comments it seems most have missed the word “Hypothetical” from Sethis’s example. Clearly s/he doesn’t say s/he does actually make & upload porn to generate a second income, but uses it as an example of how some porn is generated.
I think the comment has been misread.

BestBeforeYesterday · 13/10/2018 06:03

AnyFuck why so nasty? Have you calmed down today, so that you can write some posts that actually make sense?

WanderingTrolley1 · 13/10/2018 09:52

He needs rid of, OP, he is vile.

User1011 · 13/10/2018 10:16

If you read through AnyFucker’s posts you will she that he/she is a very bitter and nasty person with nothing ever positive to say.

Someone best ignoring (or trying to get help for).

HolyMushroom · 13/10/2018 10:34

Italiangreyhound (dunno how to tag)
No. I wasn't picking on you. The entire thread.

HolyMushroom · 13/10/2018 10:40

Italiangreyhound (dunno how to tag)

I love people narrow minded (whatever side of the argument) unable to see other peoples points of view.

Sethis · 13/10/2018 10:58

@Italiangreyhound

@sadiesnakes

Hypothetical: Something that is imaginary or unreal, used to illustrate an argument

@HolyMushroom

Type the username with an @ in front of it, no spaces.

dirtybadger · 13/10/2018 11:04

@helacells apologies I might be misunderstanding, you thought only teenagers masturbated?

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 11:23

@Sethis yeah you are right I completely missed the word hypothetical there.

But the thing is you were quick to point it out! You could have said, how dare you feel sad for me and my partner. But you said it is not real.

Most of us know selling sex in any format is actually a sad way to live, it does dehumanize people and turns them into commodities.

I'm not just bothered because of the people in 'the industry' but because I've read enough to know it does dehumanize and can badly affect relationships.

So when I see people saying it's all 'nornal' I like to point out we don't all think it is normal or healthy.

But I think masturbation is, normal and healthy, if that interests people.

So if the OP is still reading it will be her who decides what the result will be from all this.

Smile
Sethis · 13/10/2018 12:07

*But the thing is you were quick to point it out! You could have said, how dare you feel sad for me and my partner. But you said it is not real.

Most of us know selling sex in any format is actually a sad way to live, it does dehumanize people and turns them into commodities.*

I corrected it because there's no point having a discussion where one side completely misunderstands the other, not because I believe there to be any shame whatsoever in the scenario I hypothetically described.

The fact that I, personally, don't do this with my DP doesn't mean that other people do not do it. They also manage to live decent lives and have happy relationships, and as mentioned, they also have optional additional spending money at the end of the month. They can stop at any time they like if they feel it is having a negative impact on themselves or their relationship.

My point in using the example was simply to illustrate that labelling ALL pornography as degrading, is IMO a mistake, in the same way that labelling ALL of anything in a particular way is unhelpful. There are always exceptions and there is always granularity. It's lazy thinking to assume that you can cover everything with a black or white blanket.

Regarding your second point, everything we do for employment dehumanizes us. Exchanging work for money is inherently unnatural and degrading to human dignity and quality of life. Nobody would choose to work in an office for 8 hours per day if left to their own devices. However we exchange a certain amount of pain/stress/boredom/depression in our jobs for money, which lets us buy things that make us happy. I'm not sure I see how being paid £500 for 1 hour of sex with someone is any less morally acceptable than being paid £8.90 per hour to clean out trash compactors with a hose, or get an annual salary in the armed forces for killing people, so long as the workers have taken the job of their own free will. If either has a problem with their job, they are welcome to quit and seek alternative employment.

Of course I have a moral objection to people being unable to quit, or pressured into work they don't want to do, or people who are manipulated or abused. However as mentioned above, there are parts of the porn industry where this is not the case. This fact tends to be whitewashed out when everyone dismisses all pornography as degenerative.

Just the same as you buy fairtrade chocolate, or you boycott Apple products over their manufacturing process in China, or you buy sustainably fished tuna, I don't understand why you would dismiss out of hand the option of viewing responsibly produced pornography as "creepy". Given the choice of your DP watching responsible or irresponsible porn, which would you prefer? Or are you going to hand down the ultimatum that you will not contemplate a relationship with someone who watches porn of any kind whatsoever?

I mean, anyone who has that stance is welcome to have it, but I find it odd that it's such a strong red line when the same person is perfectly happy to wear clothes made in sweatshops by enslaved children. The moral outrage seems somewhat uneven, given that the textile industry is far far bigger than the porn industry, and the only explanation that comes to mind for why porn is so reviled as an industry is because it's based on sex, and we still view sex as inherently shameful or more problematic than any other area of human activity. Witness all the cries of "Porn, hssssssssss" from people carrying iPhones, wearing brand name clothing, drinking Starbucks and eating McDonalds. At least porn isn't busy destroying the planet and causing the irreversible extinction of entire species. Or maybe it's because you can see the human consequences on the screen in front of you, rather than just picking up a 500g packet of Nestle coffee in the supermarket.

Of course my point isn't that unethical pornography is okay because there are other, worse, things happening in the world out there. Unethical behaviour is unethical. Flat. It just seems bizarre to get this het up about one thing and not anything else.

SpoonBlender · 13/10/2018 12:21

Thumbs up @Sethis. Interesting to see how people's attitudes come out, bit disappointed but not really surprised.

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 12:23

"They can stop at any time they like if they feel it is having a negative impact on themselves or their relationship."

You are so nieve! You describr a hypothetical situation where you control all factors (female partner equally happy etc) completely forgetting real life isn't like that! We know partners (often male) coerce their partners (often female) into sex acts they do not want yo do! What makes you do sure that because it appeats it's all consendial that it really is. Or that having got used to extra money a couple can just stop!

"There are always exceptions and there is always granularity. It's lazy thinking to assume that you can cover everything with a black or white blanket."

The fact that the viewer is watcging a sex act which I think is and should be probate means I think you can say that pornography is damaging. Other views are welcome.

"Regarding your second point, everything we do for employment dehumanizes us. Exchanging work for money is inherently unnatural and degrading to human dignity and quality of life."

This is complete crap IMHO. It suggests you've never done a job you liked let alone loves, or felt useful or valued. O have and yoir blanket view of work doesn't resonate with me. Or was that hypothetical too?

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 12:33

Sethis "I don't understand why you would dismiss out of hand the option of viewing responsibly produced pornography as "creepy". Given the choice of your DP watching responsible or irresponsible porn, which would you prefer? Or are you going to hand down the ultimatum that you will not contemplate a relationship with someone who watches porn of any kind whatsoever?"

I am not in a relationship with a porn watcher and I never would knowingly be.

"...when the same person is perfectly happy to wear clothes made in sweatshops by enslaved children"

is this a person you know or are you talking about me, or a hypothetical person?

Becase I am not happy to wear clothes made by enslaved children.

I have campaigned for ethical clothing but like most people I work, raise a family and have limited resources of where to buy clothes due to costs etc.

I am not het up. I am disappointed that people would put their need to watch others having sex above the need of others to live lives not blighted by porn. It's sad, upsetting and disappointing. But I am not het up!

SpoonBlender so are you suggesting porn watchers are out there campaigning for fair trade? Defend porn watching by all means but don't pretend that people who enjoy watching strangers fucking are automatically more ethical than people who don't.

Your support for porn disappoints me too.

Sethis · 13/10/2018 12:42

You suggest that I am not considering people in jobs they love in my examination of the effects of employment. In that regard you think I'm being overly pessimistic?

On the other hand you also suggest that I'm being overly optimistic in my suggestion that there could be a scenario where two people video themselves having sex, and both enjoy it equally.

Surely you can agree that the opposite is also possible? Maybe you're being too pessimistic about the couple making porn, and you're being too optimistic about how many people are happy in their jobs?

I mean, if you took a census of all humanity, all 7.6 billion of us, what percentage of people do you think would say that they love their jobs and think they get paid enough money for the work they do? Remembering that Africa, China, South America and India are all countries that exist and the working conditions within those places.

As I said, there are pros and cons to each side. However I disagree with your suggestion that "what appears consensual isn't really consensual". If that's the case, then nobody can ever do anything with their partner, because it's impossible to tell if either party is consenting, or just lying to the other. Not you, not me, not anyone. It's not possible to function with that mentality. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, ever, I say that it's not the baseline experience of a good relationship and thus falls outside the scope of my original example.

Sethis · 13/10/2018 12:49

Defend porn watching by all means but don't pretend that people who enjoy watching strangers fucking are automatically more ethical than people who don't.

Fair enough, but then aren't I allowed to say: Don't pretend that people who don't like watching strangers fucking are automatically more ethical than people who do.

?

All examples given are hypotheticals. I would never be the first person in a debate to launch personal criticism or insult at someone I'm speaking to. Smile

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 13:22

Sethis I am not stupid enough to think all people love their work!

I would say some work was dehumanizing but you seemed to suggest all work was dehumanizing! Did I read that wrong?

"Don't pretend that people who don't like watching strangers fucking are automatically more ethical than people who do." Well we are more ethical in this one area, IMHO.

Re "As I said, there are pros and cons to each side. However I disagree with your suggestion that "what appears consensual isn't really consensual" if I said that I apologuise, I meant ...what appears consensual might not really be consensual...

I was thinking about situations we are not involved in personally. But even so we need to have the best knowledge in the situation.

"All examples given are hypotheticals. I would never be the first person in a debate to launch personal criticism or insult at someone I'm speaking to." That's great, me too. Smile

What is at the end of the 'food chain' in porn?

I would suggest this...

fightthenewdrug.org/sex-before-kissing-15-year-old-girls-dealing-with-boys/

Italiangreyhound · 13/10/2018 13:37

Sorry 'probate' should be private! I am on my phone and, like me, it has a. I d of its own!

Sethis I hope you know this isn't personally directed at you. It's just debate. Flowers

Sethis · 13/10/2018 14:15

I hope you know this isn't personally directed at you. It's just debate.

Of course! Smile

I write replies in the hope that people might re-examine their beliefs. From my perspective if you can't support your opinion in a rational debate, it's not a productive opinion. Likewise IMO if you, as a person, are unable to hold a civil debate with a stranger who has a different opinion, you're not worth talking to. As usual with most forums, mumsnet tends towards a mixed bag of responses! This is all gravy.

I would say some work was dehumanizing but you seemed to suggest all work was dehumanizing! Did I read that wrong?

I guess my point was that all work is unnatural, period, and for probably billions of people, unenjoyable. Given that this is the case, why are we more consciously upset about the ethicality of pornography as an industry versus something like the electronic device or textile industries? Both of the latter cause far more damage, and on wider scales (strip mining, extinction events, child labour), than Porn, yet the forums aren't flooded with people deploring that their DP was caught buying an iPhone, or eating at McDonalds, and how it prompted a crisis in their relationship. What is it about porn as an industry that makes it such a magnet for vitriolic criticism, compared to other, more damaging industries, that we accept unquestioningly?

Not only that, but why do we label the end user of porn as a "creep" or "disgusting" for accessing the material, yet we don't label people wearing GAP clothing as "slavers" or "colonialists"?

"Don't pretend that people who don't like watching strangers fucking are automatically more ethical than people who do." Well we are more ethical in this one area, IMHO.

But that's a moral double standard, isn't it? You're asking me to treat you as being a better person than another person, based on your sexual preferences. Yet when someone else says that another person is better than you based on their sexual preference, you claim they're being unfair.

Hypothetically Wink Let's say that there are 3 friends, A, B and C. Now A and B both enjoy having sex with each other. They also both enjoy performing for an audience. C enjoys watching people have sex. A and B invite C to watch, and C accepts. All 3 people involved in this situation are willing, consenting, and aroused.

You would say that in the above situation, someone is morally in the wrong? If so, who? Why?

If A and B then also decide, of their own free will, through mutual consent, to sell a video of their session with C (C does not appear in the video), does anything change about the ethicality of the situation? If so, how?

I'm aware that the above example is not indicative of the porn industry as a whole. A lot of porn is made in deeply unethical ways, that's beyond dispute. However you can say the same about pretty much anything, without feeling the need to castigate the end user, or condemn the whole concept or idea. Just because a lot of mobile phones are made in deeply unethical factories doesn't mean I insult people who use phones, or say that phones in general shouldn't exist because they're inherently evil.

Kennycalmit · 13/10/2018 14:27

porn - just because some of you don't have issues with that it doesn’t mean everyone else is OK with it

@italiangreyhound

The poster wasn’t asking your opinion whether you like porn or not. She doesn’t care that he watches it. It was more so the fact she caught him having a wank for the first time