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Husband giving me the silent treatment - I'm not coping anymore

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avah1969 · 04/10/2018 11:32

Hi guys,

To give you a bit of background, we've been together for 16 years and his daughter from a previous relationship has lived with us for the last 13 years.

Like many people, we have struggled financially since the credit crunch, with no pay rises at work alongside increasing bills. We both work full-time in stressful jobs but we never seem to get anywhere money-wise, and it feels like things will never improve. Although we just about manage to get by financially day to day, we don't have the money for large purchases and have not been on holiday in years. in addition to working full-time as a nurse, I have set up a small cake making business supplying novelty cakes, just to make a bit of extra cash, and it has become quite busy. It also means, however, that I don't get a lot of time to myself.

In the last 2 years we've suffered set back after set back, and it has taken it's toll on our relationship. My husband is type 1 diabetic and started to suffer from depression, which he was medicated for. This did improve things for a while. However, last year he then suffered a serious spinal injury, which resulted in operations, hospital admissions and a change to his medications. He has been left with nerve damage in his legs and bladder issues, which we have been told will likely be permanent. This has obviously affected his mood, given that he is only in his early 40's and can no longer be as active as he once was, as well as facing the embarrassment of bladder incontinence. He is also still in a lot of pain, but he refuses to take medication anymore because it makes him feel as though he is still 'ill' and he doesn't want to become dependant on it. During his recovery (approx. 6 months - 3 of which he was completely bedridden), I was his main carer, alongside me finishing a university degree, working full time and trying to run everything in the household myself. I regret that I did not seek help at the time, as I now feel that trying to do everything myself has run me down and I fear that it may also have led me to feel the need to be in control.

The only thing we ever argue about is money and it makes me so sad, because money and possessions are not what life is about, and neither of these things will be on my mind when I am on my deathbed. People are important to me, not possessions. But for my husband, it's all he obsesses about.

Due to his back injury, the car we share is no longer suitable for him, as it is small, low down and difficult for him to get into. Ideally, we need a new car but we simply cannot afford one right now. Believe me I have tried to figure out a way to get a new car just to keep him happy, but there are no options available to us. He can't seem to see or understand this, and he therefore blames me for our money situation because I'm the one doing all the worrying and am seen as the one saying no to purchases which we simply cannot afford. He accuses me of hiding things from him financially and says that my worrying about money all the time makes him feel terrified to spend any money at all. He has his own bank account which he could check if he really wanted to and there are so many credit scoring companies out there now, that if he really thought I was hiding something, it would be pretty easy for him to check this.

Even small gestures that I make, he manages to twist into something negative and to do with money, when they simply are not. For example, when he went back to work after his back injury, he was not allowed to drive because he was still heavily medicated. I was therefore making him a lunch to take with him, as he was unable to make the daily journey to the local ship at lunchtime, as he did before. Even after he did start driving again, I still made him lunch because it had become a habit and he said it was much better than what he could buy from the shop and it saved him time. Plus, with him being diabetic, it gave me peace of mind to know he always had something to eat on hand, should his blood sugar drop. I never ever thought of me making his lunch as a controlling act, but somehow he has now even twisted this into me only making him lunch as a means to keep him out of the shop, so that he can't spend money.

Our arguments always result in him screaming and swearing at me without allowing me the chance to speak and then him giving me the silent treatment, sometimes for days on end. Once, it even lasted 3 full weeks before he said a word to me. This behaviour has made me a nervous wreck, and I find myself tip-toeing around him when I know he is in mood.

He has been particularly stressed at work recently and they have made changes which mean he can no longer bring his work transport home with him, he has to park it in their base and find another way home. This has made the car situation even worse and after trialling me taking him to and from work, it was clear that he was uncomfortable in the car and it was making his back pain worse. As such, he has been more down and distant over the last few weeks.

Last Friday night, on the journey home, it was clear he was in a mood and he mumbled something about having a few things to pay for at work this week. He then proceeded to pretty much ignore me the rest to the weekend, only speaking when he really had to. This was making my anxiety increase, as I could see an explosion was on the horizon.

On Tuesday morning, he was in the shower and his wallet had fallen out of his trouser pocket and was lying on the bedroom floor. I was making the bed and having a general tidy around, so I picked up and noted that he had no money in it. I knew that he has his weekly team meeting on a Tuesday and that this was when he likely when he would need the money he had mentioned on Friday. I knew he had a busy day ahead, with meetings all day and wouldn't have time to get to an ATM, or would forget and then turn up at the meeting with no cash (which would likely cause a meltdown when he got home). I has some cash in the house that someone had paid me for a cake, so I slipped it into his wallet, thinking it would help him out and save him time. I fully intended to tell him I had done so when he got out of the shower. However, he came out the shower shouting and swearing and he got ready for work, slamming doors and mumbling various issues and insults under his breath (not solely directed at me but I could see which direction his temper was leading). I could feel my heart racing and my anxiety peaked with fear. I was too numb and scared at that point to say anything about putting the money in his wallet. On the car journey to his work, he was silent other than the odd complaint about all the things he had to do that day and sighing. Just as we were pulling into his work he remembered that he needed cash and made it out to be such a bit deal and a hassle, asking me if he needs my permission to take money out, again twisting it to be my fault. My nerves completely kicked in and I was terrified of his colleagues walking by the car and hearing him, that I stupidly said 'are you sure you never took money out when you were out and about at the weekend, maybe you've got money on you'. I have no idea why I said it and I instantly regretted it. He went crazy saying that he daren't take money out without the puppet-masters approval (this is what he calls me) and he got out of the car without another word.

Fast forward to 7:30pm that night, I was waiting for his call to pick him up and it was getting much later than normal, so I tried to call him. I was worried because he has been having more episodes of low blood sugar recently and I am always concerned when he's late that he's passed out somewhere. He never answered his phone. 10 minutes later, I see him walking up the street towards the house and realise that he has decided not to call for a lift home and instead walk. This immediately peaks my anxiety, as I know he has done this to avoid me and I start to worry about what mood I am about to be faced with.

He came in and sat in his chair without saying a word. I was in the kitchen making the dinner and our daughter was in her bedroom. As soon as I walked into the living room he started shouting at me, asking where the money in his wallet had come from and I froze. I didn't know what to say for the best, because I knew either way that he would twist it. He said that I was trying make him think he is losing his mind, and that I tried to convince him he had been to an ATM when he knew he hadn't. I tried to explain but he wouldn't let me speak and just continued to shout over the top of me. He said that I was playing mind games and that his ex-wife used to do that to him, he would not put up with it and if that's what I'm doing then I'm out the door. This went on for at least an hour, with me in tears and him standing over the top of me.

Our daughter heard and asked what was going on, although I am only her step-mum, she has lived with me most of her life and real mum passed away several years ago, so she sees me as her actual mum. She has witnessed other episodes of her father's temper before and knows he can be unreasonable sometimes but this was the worst she had seen him. His comments towards me were vile and extremely hurtful. She was also concerned that he did not seem to care that I was a bubbling mess.

Once he has stopped shouting, the inevitable silent treatment began. He pretended I did not exist, made himself a cup of tea and asked out daughter if she wanted one but ignored me, and then went bed without saying at word.

Yesterday morning, he got up much earlier than usual and asked our daughter if she would drop him off at his work on her way out, all so that he didn't need to ask me. He left without taking his lunch with him (which I had already made), nor did he say goodbye and he walked home from work at night. Our daughter was out last night so it was just the two of us and this was making my anxiety worse. Just before he came home, I had a major nosebleed and was sitting with a blood soaked tissue as he walked in the front door. He never even acknowledged me.

Luckily, my dad turned up for a visit out of the blue and as usual, my husband chatted away to him and pretended everything was fine. This is typical of him, to ignore me but be Mr personality with everyone else. I did not let on to my father that anything was wrong, as I know he worries and has been unwell himself recently. He stayed for around an hour and a half which made last night a bit easier as it meant I didn't have to put up with the silence for quite as long.

Once my father left I dished up the dinner. I am the type of person who would rather talk over an issue than be silent and ignore it, nor am I the type to be petty and give him a taste of his own medicine. I therefore still follow my routine and include him in it. I therefore dished up a plate for him and told him it was there. He ignored me and it was 20 minutes before he finally took his insulin and had his tea. You would think, with his diabetes he would be more sensible but there have been numerous occasions where he has refused a meal during his episodes of silent treatment, simply because I cooked it and to him, eating it would be a sign of weakness. He again went to bed without saying a word.

During last night, his blood sugars dropped but luckily his body senses this quick enough and he tends to wake up and deal with the situation. This always wakes me up and last night was no different. As always, I asked him if he was ok and he just grunted at me. This morning, when he was in the shower, I got out of bed and instantly had a nose bleed. I went into the bathroom to get tissue and he never asked if I was ok.

I continued with my usual morning routine. Although he never spoke to me this morning, he did make me a cup of tea, without asking, but couldn't quite bring himself to tell me he had done so or bring it to me in the other room. I only noticed it when I went back into the kitchen to clear up. With our daughter being out overnight, his choices were to either put up with me taking him to work or walk the 1.5 miles to his work. He chose the latter and left without taking his lunch and without saying a word.

He accuses me of playing mind games but surely he's the one doing this? I genuinely believe that he is very deliberate in the way he acts, for example, making me tea but still treating me as if I'm not there. Is he doing this to continue to mess with my head and make me question the mixed messages. I know it probably sounds really silly and trivial, but why make me tea (which could be seen as a positive) but then continue to ignore me (a negative).

Other than this increasingly more common arguing over money and his way of dealing with it by giving me the silent treatment, we genuinely have had a good relationship over the years and our friends and neighbours would be shocked to think this behaviour goes on in our house.

I would really welcome any opinions or comments from people who may understand the situation I am in, so that I don't continue to go off my head with it all. I've started to think he really does want to end things.

OP posts:
Aprilislonggone · 04/10/2018 11:39

He is an abusive mind fuck.
I would be making plans to leave him and take the dd with you.

Poor kid - and poor you.

Foodylicious · 04/10/2018 11:42

Bloody hell.
Thats awful.

Do you want to stay? What are the positives for you aside from your step daughter and the security of your home?

I think it's ultimatum time.
Either he goes to his GP and gets help or you leave.

Or do you think he is trying to orchestrate it so you do leave?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 04/10/2018 11:43

Oh good god. Just leave and take daughter with you!

How can you be happy living like this? He sounds awful. Abusive. Bullying. Mind-twisting.

Please make plans to leave.

SugarMiceInTheRain · 04/10/2018 11:44

If he wasn't ill, would you stay? I know I wouldn't. And his illness is not a good reason to play mind games and give you the silent treatment - I'd be getting my ducks in a row if I were you.

ShockedHorrored · 04/10/2018 11:50

He sounds like an utter bastard. Nothing you do will be good enough. Get rid of him.

avah1969 · 04/10/2018 12:14

Thanks for the quick replies and to be honest they are exactly what I expected and was thinking.

This might sound crazy, but one of my main reasons for not having left yet is because of how he would make it seem to other people.

Everyone outside of my household, apart from my sister, is completely unaware of his behaviour. Everyone loves my husband because he never slips in public, is Mr helpful and the life and sole of the party. We have large debts which we have been paying off for years, some of which defaulted, and is why we never have any money nor can we get any further credit to give him what he wants. If we split, I am pretty sure he would try to make out that he knew nothing about the debts and that I had hidden it all from him, simply because he has accused me of doing as much during arguments and he takes no responsibility for our bills (some debts are in joint and some are in sole names). He has sort of buried his head in the sand when it comes to finances and it is me who makes sure everything is paid every month from our joint account, but like I say, he has access to all the accounts and credit files - I can't stop him from checking these. He has no real excuse for not knowing our position, it is simply a case that he is no longer getting what he wants, so he's acting like a petulant child and making it out to be all my fault.

Splitting up would ruin both of us financially, we would be left with nothing other than residual debt and poor credit ratings. It would be difficult for either of us to start again and would not be fair on our daughter.

Our daughter - this is another matter that concerns me about splitting up. She is technically not my daughter, even though I have raised her.

I feel trapped.

OP posts:
blueangel1 · 04/10/2018 12:15

OK, he clearly has a lot of issues (physical and mental) but this does not give him carte blanche to abuse. It's unacceptable and you need to find a way out.

Twillow · 04/10/2018 12:16

I'm not surprised you're not coping. He's not coping either and has obviously had a lot to contend with healthwise, but he's behaving extremely badly towards you. You can't be his scapegoat.

I think I would firstly see your doctor and talk to him honestly about the strain you are under. It may well be that you would benefit from something to tide you over - the anxiety must be horrendous. Something like propanolol is very good if you are having panicky heart-racing feelings. A counsellor would also be a very good idea - obviously your finances are an issue and the NHS is weak on this area, so contact a local domestic abuse service (and this is what you are suffering from.)
Next see a solicitor and see where you would be financially if you split up.
Finally he needs this in black and white - write him an email. Give him an ultimatum. You will separate unless x y z stops immediately.

Twillow · 04/10/2018 12:20

It's not crazy, it's very natural to conceal abuse because you feel ashamed. Start confiding in your family and friends NOW. If they judge you now, then they would judge you harshly if you split up so you have lost nothing, but you are much much much more likely to find they will be on your side and invaluable support.
He may not be capable of looking after your daughter on his own, and she will have some choice in where she lives too.

TomHardysNextWife · 04/10/2018 12:27

What other people see and think is irrelevant. They're not living this nightmare.

I'd rather live in a cardboard box than with a man who treated me like this. You will get over financial ruin far easier than you will a broken soul from letting this man destroy it.

53rdWay · 04/10/2018 12:28

He sounds like a bully who is using you as an emotional punch-bag to take out his stresses on. I agree, start confiding in people around you. You don’t deserve this and you don’t owe him any secrecy about it.

Re daughter - how old is she?

Vigilant · 04/10/2018 12:30

Dear OP, you are experiencing verbal and emotional abuse from your OH. Please contact Women's Aid for free advice and support. They can do a risk assessment over the phone too and help support you in understanding your options.

butterfly56 · 04/10/2018 12:34

OP Flowers
Even if he wasn't having health problems he's an emotionally abusive man who has got you walking on egg shells.

That fear and anxiety you are and have been experiencing every time he screams at you will get much worse over time.
You are likely to become hyper vigilant...jumping at the slightest noise etc because you are in constant fight or flight mode.

The effects on your own health will be detrimental.

It can take years for you to get over this type of abuse even if you get out now.

IME this situation doesn't improve it gets worse and worse and you will be the one to blame for all his problems.

You need to put your own health and wellbeing first. There's no point giving him an ultimatum because he already blames you for everything wrong in his life.

He is extremely abusive there is absolutely no doubt about that but him changing or getting help regarding his abusive behaviour are very slim indeed.

Flowers
letsdolunch321 · 04/10/2018 12:35

It sounds like you are making excuses to stay. Who gives a damn what other people think - they are not the ones having to deal with his mental abuse.

I assume his daughter must be older as she drives - tell her what you intend to do & why. Let her make her mind up as to what she is going to do.

Please think of yourself in this situation.

butterfly56 · 04/10/2018 12:42

Cross post with you OP.

Your last update
Being ruined financially has already happened.
Knowing what I know now of extreme emotional abuse I would rather be homeless than live through that again.

You have a choice...file for bankruptcy for your debts and get out.

Adora10 · 04/10/2018 12:43

My heart goes out to you OP, you sound bloody marvellous, a real capable and strong lady; regardless of his issues which lots of people manage to live with without becoming abusive, he is using you as his verbal punchbag; your daughter is also being traumatised, it's probably become your norm but honestly this is beyond normal; he chooses to do this, it's not the diabetes or depression making him, he has full control of how he treats you, bet he's fine with folk at work.

You are going to have to end if regardless of becoming penniless, rent, you work and have a side business, you will be ok; you are not his mother or carer, you are an equal human being and he is treating you appallingly; if you stay prepare to have a breakdown and suffer the guilt of your daughter living in an abusive household.

You can do this, CAB for advice, Women's Aid, family and friends, now is the time to lean on as many folk as you can that will want to help you, he's honestly a lost cause; you owe him jack shit.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 04/10/2018 12:53

This might sound crazy, but one of my main reasons for not having left yet is because of how he would make it seem to other people.

Who care what other people think? This is your life. You only get one. This situation sounds miserable and it won't get any better. Do you want to spend the rest of your life like this?

gamerchick · 04/10/2018 12:55

Personally I think the first thing you should do is stop hiding this from the outside world. You need RL support. If you open up, all those fears about people not knowing and him then blaming you for debts won't matter.

You're in a shit financial situation and in an abusive relationship. I'd rather be in a shit financial situation and a chance of finding a happy place. Your daughter watching her dad treating you like this will be damaging for her.

Open up, contact woman's aid and make a plan. This doesn't have to be your life.

Fretfulparent · 04/10/2018 12:55

Putting aside the relationship problems, have you considered looking at getting a car though the NHS?
www.nhsemployers.org/your-workforce/pay-and-reward/reward/latest-developments/salary-sacrifice.

Fretfulparent · 04/10/2018 12:57

What advise has your DH been given. Is he now disabled? Can he get any benefits? He would need to research this himself . Are you eligible for cares allowance for instance?

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 04/10/2018 13:01

Personally I think the first thing you should do is stop hiding this from the outside world. You need RL support.

I think this is really good advice from @gamerchick

Slumberparty · 04/10/2018 13:11

You really need to stop worrying about what other people may or may not think. In fact once you start to confide in people you may be surprised at how much others have picked up about him anyway. He is emotionally abusing you and you are treading on egg shells around him. What a horrible way to live. Start getting your finances together and get out of this relationship. Life is too short.

Slumberparty · 04/10/2018 13:12

And presumably if your daughter is old enough to drive she is old enough to decide where she wants to live. She may want to come with you.

Clutterbugsmum · 04/10/2018 13:13

You are already financially ruined. If you leave now it won’t get worse.

In his eyes you have become his parent not his wife. You spend more time worrying and looking after him then he does himself.

I would treat him how he treats you. He’s not talking to you then will not be picking him up, cooking and cleaning up after him. His choices are now all his.

cheesefield · 04/10/2018 13:14

Oh OP. He is an abusive man.

Please contact Womans Aid for advice.

You must, must leave him. He sounds absolutely awful. Fuck what other people think. He is making you ill.