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Husband giving me the silent treatment - I'm not coping anymore

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avah1969 · 04/10/2018 11:32

Hi guys,

To give you a bit of background, we've been together for 16 years and his daughter from a previous relationship has lived with us for the last 13 years.

Like many people, we have struggled financially since the credit crunch, with no pay rises at work alongside increasing bills. We both work full-time in stressful jobs but we never seem to get anywhere money-wise, and it feels like things will never improve. Although we just about manage to get by financially day to day, we don't have the money for large purchases and have not been on holiday in years. in addition to working full-time as a nurse, I have set up a small cake making business supplying novelty cakes, just to make a bit of extra cash, and it has become quite busy. It also means, however, that I don't get a lot of time to myself.

In the last 2 years we've suffered set back after set back, and it has taken it's toll on our relationship. My husband is type 1 diabetic and started to suffer from depression, which he was medicated for. This did improve things for a while. However, last year he then suffered a serious spinal injury, which resulted in operations, hospital admissions and a change to his medications. He has been left with nerve damage in his legs and bladder issues, which we have been told will likely be permanent. This has obviously affected his mood, given that he is only in his early 40's and can no longer be as active as he once was, as well as facing the embarrassment of bladder incontinence. He is also still in a lot of pain, but he refuses to take medication anymore because it makes him feel as though he is still 'ill' and he doesn't want to become dependant on it. During his recovery (approx. 6 months - 3 of which he was completely bedridden), I was his main carer, alongside me finishing a university degree, working full time and trying to run everything in the household myself. I regret that I did not seek help at the time, as I now feel that trying to do everything myself has run me down and I fear that it may also have led me to feel the need to be in control.

The only thing we ever argue about is money and it makes me so sad, because money and possessions are not what life is about, and neither of these things will be on my mind when I am on my deathbed. People are important to me, not possessions. But for my husband, it's all he obsesses about.

Due to his back injury, the car we share is no longer suitable for him, as it is small, low down and difficult for him to get into. Ideally, we need a new car but we simply cannot afford one right now. Believe me I have tried to figure out a way to get a new car just to keep him happy, but there are no options available to us. He can't seem to see or understand this, and he therefore blames me for our money situation because I'm the one doing all the worrying and am seen as the one saying no to purchases which we simply cannot afford. He accuses me of hiding things from him financially and says that my worrying about money all the time makes him feel terrified to spend any money at all. He has his own bank account which he could check if he really wanted to and there are so many credit scoring companies out there now, that if he really thought I was hiding something, it would be pretty easy for him to check this.

Even small gestures that I make, he manages to twist into something negative and to do with money, when they simply are not. For example, when he went back to work after his back injury, he was not allowed to drive because he was still heavily medicated. I was therefore making him a lunch to take with him, as he was unable to make the daily journey to the local ship at lunchtime, as he did before. Even after he did start driving again, I still made him lunch because it had become a habit and he said it was much better than what he could buy from the shop and it saved him time. Plus, with him being diabetic, it gave me peace of mind to know he always had something to eat on hand, should his blood sugar drop. I never ever thought of me making his lunch as a controlling act, but somehow he has now even twisted this into me only making him lunch as a means to keep him out of the shop, so that he can't spend money.

Our arguments always result in him screaming and swearing at me without allowing me the chance to speak and then him giving me the silent treatment, sometimes for days on end. Once, it even lasted 3 full weeks before he said a word to me. This behaviour has made me a nervous wreck, and I find myself tip-toeing around him when I know he is in mood.

He has been particularly stressed at work recently and they have made changes which mean he can no longer bring his work transport home with him, he has to park it in their base and find another way home. This has made the car situation even worse and after trialling me taking him to and from work, it was clear that he was uncomfortable in the car and it was making his back pain worse. As such, he has been more down and distant over the last few weeks.

Last Friday night, on the journey home, it was clear he was in a mood and he mumbled something about having a few things to pay for at work this week. He then proceeded to pretty much ignore me the rest to the weekend, only speaking when he really had to. This was making my anxiety increase, as I could see an explosion was on the horizon.

On Tuesday morning, he was in the shower and his wallet had fallen out of his trouser pocket and was lying on the bedroom floor. I was making the bed and having a general tidy around, so I picked up and noted that he had no money in it. I knew that he has his weekly team meeting on a Tuesday and that this was when he likely when he would need the money he had mentioned on Friday. I knew he had a busy day ahead, with meetings all day and wouldn't have time to get to an ATM, or would forget and then turn up at the meeting with no cash (which would likely cause a meltdown when he got home). I has some cash in the house that someone had paid me for a cake, so I slipped it into his wallet, thinking it would help him out and save him time. I fully intended to tell him I had done so when he got out of the shower. However, he came out the shower shouting and swearing and he got ready for work, slamming doors and mumbling various issues and insults under his breath (not solely directed at me but I could see which direction his temper was leading). I could feel my heart racing and my anxiety peaked with fear. I was too numb and scared at that point to say anything about putting the money in his wallet. On the car journey to his work, he was silent other than the odd complaint about all the things he had to do that day and sighing. Just as we were pulling into his work he remembered that he needed cash and made it out to be such a bit deal and a hassle, asking me if he needs my permission to take money out, again twisting it to be my fault. My nerves completely kicked in and I was terrified of his colleagues walking by the car and hearing him, that I stupidly said 'are you sure you never took money out when you were out and about at the weekend, maybe you've got money on you'. I have no idea why I said it and I instantly regretted it. He went crazy saying that he daren't take money out without the puppet-masters approval (this is what he calls me) and he got out of the car without another word.

Fast forward to 7:30pm that night, I was waiting for his call to pick him up and it was getting much later than normal, so I tried to call him. I was worried because he has been having more episodes of low blood sugar recently and I am always concerned when he's late that he's passed out somewhere. He never answered his phone. 10 minutes later, I see him walking up the street towards the house and realise that he has decided not to call for a lift home and instead walk. This immediately peaks my anxiety, as I know he has done this to avoid me and I start to worry about what mood I am about to be faced with.

He came in and sat in his chair without saying a word. I was in the kitchen making the dinner and our daughter was in her bedroom. As soon as I walked into the living room he started shouting at me, asking where the money in his wallet had come from and I froze. I didn't know what to say for the best, because I knew either way that he would twist it. He said that I was trying make him think he is losing his mind, and that I tried to convince him he had been to an ATM when he knew he hadn't. I tried to explain but he wouldn't let me speak and just continued to shout over the top of me. He said that I was playing mind games and that his ex-wife used to do that to him, he would not put up with it and if that's what I'm doing then I'm out the door. This went on for at least an hour, with me in tears and him standing over the top of me.

Our daughter heard and asked what was going on, although I am only her step-mum, she has lived with me most of her life and real mum passed away several years ago, so she sees me as her actual mum. She has witnessed other episodes of her father's temper before and knows he can be unreasonable sometimes but this was the worst she had seen him. His comments towards me were vile and extremely hurtful. She was also concerned that he did not seem to care that I was a bubbling mess.

Once he has stopped shouting, the inevitable silent treatment began. He pretended I did not exist, made himself a cup of tea and asked out daughter if she wanted one but ignored me, and then went bed without saying at word.

Yesterday morning, he got up much earlier than usual and asked our daughter if she would drop him off at his work on her way out, all so that he didn't need to ask me. He left without taking his lunch with him (which I had already made), nor did he say goodbye and he walked home from work at night. Our daughter was out last night so it was just the two of us and this was making my anxiety worse. Just before he came home, I had a major nosebleed and was sitting with a blood soaked tissue as he walked in the front door. He never even acknowledged me.

Luckily, my dad turned up for a visit out of the blue and as usual, my husband chatted away to him and pretended everything was fine. This is typical of him, to ignore me but be Mr personality with everyone else. I did not let on to my father that anything was wrong, as I know he worries and has been unwell himself recently. He stayed for around an hour and a half which made last night a bit easier as it meant I didn't have to put up with the silence for quite as long.

Once my father left I dished up the dinner. I am the type of person who would rather talk over an issue than be silent and ignore it, nor am I the type to be petty and give him a taste of his own medicine. I therefore still follow my routine and include him in it. I therefore dished up a plate for him and told him it was there. He ignored me and it was 20 minutes before he finally took his insulin and had his tea. You would think, with his diabetes he would be more sensible but there have been numerous occasions where he has refused a meal during his episodes of silent treatment, simply because I cooked it and to him, eating it would be a sign of weakness. He again went to bed without saying a word.

During last night, his blood sugars dropped but luckily his body senses this quick enough and he tends to wake up and deal with the situation. This always wakes me up and last night was no different. As always, I asked him if he was ok and he just grunted at me. This morning, when he was in the shower, I got out of bed and instantly had a nose bleed. I went into the bathroom to get tissue and he never asked if I was ok.

I continued with my usual morning routine. Although he never spoke to me this morning, he did make me a cup of tea, without asking, but couldn't quite bring himself to tell me he had done so or bring it to me in the other room. I only noticed it when I went back into the kitchen to clear up. With our daughter being out overnight, his choices were to either put up with me taking him to work or walk the 1.5 miles to his work. He chose the latter and left without taking his lunch and without saying a word.

He accuses me of playing mind games but surely he's the one doing this? I genuinely believe that he is very deliberate in the way he acts, for example, making me tea but still treating me as if I'm not there. Is he doing this to continue to mess with my head and make me question the mixed messages. I know it probably sounds really silly and trivial, but why make me tea (which could be seen as a positive) but then continue to ignore me (a negative).

Other than this increasingly more common arguing over money and his way of dealing with it by giving me the silent treatment, we genuinely have had a good relationship over the years and our friends and neighbours would be shocked to think this behaviour goes on in our house.

I would really welcome any opinions or comments from people who may understand the situation I am in, so that I don't continue to go off my head with it all. I've started to think he really does want to end things.

OP posts:
avah1969 · 04/10/2018 20:24

He is completely messing with my head. He hasn't said a word since he came home and usually when I'm dishing up the tea, he gets cutlery out for us and hands it to me. He did get cutlery out for me but he threw it on the counter and walked away. Then after dinner he'd normally ask if I want a drink, but he never, he sorted one for himself though.

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StartingGrid · 04/10/2018 20:27

Get up and walk out. Go for a walk, go to the cinema, go wander round a supermarket. Instead of doing your usual thing, and pandering to him, leave him to it. If nothing else the curiousity will get the better of him when you get back and he ought to ask where you were. If he doesn't, then he obviously doesn't give a crap about you.

Cambionome · 04/10/2018 20:28

God - he is absolutely horrible. Sad

MoonlightMedicine · 04/10/2018 20:33

He’s showing you exactly how little he values your relationship. You deserve so much better, you know what you need to do. I’m so sorry this is happening. Flowers

HotSauceCommittee · 04/10/2018 20:36

What are you making his meals for? Please stop doing this for a start. Then leave as soon as you can.

LethalWhite · 04/10/2018 20:42

Oh OP.

Just stop, stop cooking his meals for him. Stop giving him lifts.

Just think - would you ever treat someone you loved like this? I’d be sick with worry if I thought my DP had one day of misery like you describe.

He’s being awful to you. There doesn’t seem to be a marriage worth saving here. I know you’ve had rough times recently, but your DP is supposed to help you get through them, not make everyday a misery.

If I were you, I’d start by going round to see your dad and telling him everything. And any other friends/relatives. You sound lovely, I’m sure your daughter will remain a massively part of your life, especially if you sit her down and tell her how much you love her.

Good luck Flowers

averythinline · 04/10/2018 20:45

Can you not go to your dads? at least in teh short term,this is no way to live.. then talk to a debt charity and maybe an iva/bankruptcy whatever but please leave

user1457017537 · 04/10/2018 20:53

I was also thinking could you go to your dad’s. As I was reading that your dad turned up I thought that somehow your dad knew that you were not ok and had come to reassure himself that you were alright. Funny how your “DH” suddenly became animated and normal. I think that maybe people won’t be surprised at what has been going on and will support you. I hope you find the strength to leave him and improve your situation as you are in a nightmare at the moment. Leave him to his misery

HazelBite · 04/10/2018 20:54

My EXh used to give me the silent treatment, took me a while to realise that it was his punishment to me because he really couldn't criticise me because my behaviour was perfectly okay, he just didn't like me anymore and so I was everything that was completely wrong with his life.
He was such a miserable git!
God knows what he said about me to family and friends as I was ignored by many, I didn't care the freedom was worth it, and I had a few good and supportive people around me.
I'm in my 60's now and I often wonder what life would have been like if we hadn't separated.
Before separation I was getting desperate and I was worried that one day he would push my patience too far and I was worried how I would react, and it concerned me.
Believe me your health and mood will improve beyond belief. Start making plans to go sooner rather than later!

maddjess · 04/10/2018 20:57

OP you are letting him walk all over you!

Please please stop doing everything your doing for him.

As a full time nurse your not going to be completely on your ass financially. There's enough there to rent a little flat.

If the daughter is old enough to drive she's old enough to decide who she wants to live with.

You sound like your living in a prison.

Please just go

avah1969 · 04/10/2018 21:00

HazelBite

That's what's worrying me at the moment, and why I have finally sought an avenue to vent. I'm at my wits end and don't know how I will react next. I admit I have just wished I wasn't here anymore, and that REALLY scares me. The only thing that stops me from thinking about it any deeper is how it would affect my father.

OP posts:
7yo7yo · 04/10/2018 21:02

Ps the nose bleeds may be a physical reaction to the stress. Don’t underestimate what’s been going on. Please please seek help in real life.
The money thing is nothing. Speak to stepchange. Take responsibility for your own debts not his.
Your SD won’t hang around much longer, who would?!
If his health gets worse you will find it harder to leave.

MidnightVelvetthe7th · 04/10/2018 21:07

How fucking dare he treat you this way, what a twat.

OP I also had a similar financial situation and when I left he did tell everyone a pack of lies and that it was my fault. But you know what, people seemed to know he was lying and all the people who I thought would believe him, didn't. I know you're deep in it right now and can't see that but I'm sure your leaving won't come as a surprise to everyone.

Your own personality and behavioural change as a victim of abuse will be apparent too.

And also who gives a fuck what other people think! Even if everyone believes him (not going to happen) so fucking what, we are not in the times where a woman's value is dependent on a man! You can leave him, you can live on your own, women do it every day. Don't let anything stop you my darling because once you've gone, when the initial bit is over you will look back and wonder why you put up with it for so long. There is no abused woman anywhere who wishes that she had stayed!

Go my lovely and go soon, you are worth so much more than this.

ThanksHunkyJesus · 04/10/2018 21:08

He sounds like my ex. He was a complete mind fuck too. This is one of the worst cases of emotional abuse ive ever read and ive been on mn for going on 8 years.

My lovely, he will never break up with you. He has you exactly where he wants you. Dancing about on those egg shells, trying to second guess what mood he might be in and what you might have done to cause whatever he's going to be like when he gets in. This is not your fault. He's using his ill health to keep you there where he can keep abusing you. If you want things to change, you'll have to change them.

Life is so much sweeter on the outside of a relationship like this. You don't have to do it all in one big step. But imagine yourself two years from now. You've got yourself a little house or flat. It might be basic, if you haven't got much. But its yours. You close the door on the outside world and you're safe inside. No mood swings, no silent treatment, no shouting or passive aggressive throwing of cutlery.

Please please tell people what's going on. I'd be devastated if someone I love was living in this hell you describe and they didn't tell me. You know you're not going mad. You know you're not the aggressor but he's got you all upside down and inside out. His power comes from keeping you isolated and silent. Bring other people in. I'm really worried about your nosebleeds by the way. Probably stress related but definitely not normal Flowers

harvestwheat · 04/10/2018 21:10

So sad. And that's coming from someone whose husband called her a 'fucking retard' and thinks nothing of it.

Husband giving me the silent treatment - I'm not coping anymore
ThanksHunkyJesus · 04/10/2018 21:12

My ex would also give me the silent treatment (days or weeks at a time) but if we were around anyone else a charm switch would flick and he would be the life and soul of the party. As soon as they were gone, we were back to curt answers or grunts and he wouldn't even look at me. It was bloody dehumanizing. I wasn't even worth the effort of speech to him.

CottonTailRabbit · 04/10/2018 21:16

You can make yourself be not here but in a good way. A way that models to your stepdaughter how to deal with men like her father. You divorce them, walk away and have a brilliant life. She could live with you afterwards. You and her in a little place of your own until she's ready to be independent. How lovely would that be? Can you imagine your future life?

ilooovechristmas · 04/10/2018 21:19

The only question you need to ask yourself is, do I want this for the rest of my life and if the answer is No then leave, your DD will always see you as mum regardless as I'm guessing she's older. You do realise that this is emotional and mental abuse and he could actually go to prison for it these days don't you?????

Enigmam · 04/10/2018 21:22

I would take great pride in him returning home ready to carry on his nonsense and find out that you had gone. Imagine how satisfying that would be. What more does he need to do, to show you just how little he thinks of you?

Fuck him! You can fix your debt situation, you can't fix him. Make your plan to get out of there, no one deserves to be treated like this. He's a weak, nasty insidious man.

letsdolunch321 · 04/10/2018 21:37

Are tou able to live with your father?

DaisysStew · 04/10/2018 21:45

He’s a grown man, you’re not responsible for his health or his moods. Do nothing else for him as he doesn’t appreciate it.

I think in the long term you need to have a serious conversation with him about why he’s staying in the relationship when he clearly has nothing but disdain for you. Make it clear that you’re not putting up with it and if he doesn’t start treating you with the dignity and respect you deserve then you’re walking - don’t let him use his ill health as an excuse for being abusive or to try and guilt you into staying.

wheresthehope · 04/10/2018 21:55

Op you would be way better off in so many ways if you left him! PLEASE DO... You will be able to afford overseas trips, whatever car you want to drive, weekends of pampering that you deserve the list is endless!
Your step daughter is old enough to pick if she wants to live with you or stay held back by him. also you don't want her to live thinking this is the normal way for a man to treat a woman. Show her how to stand up for herself by standing up for yourself and walking away

Graphista · 04/10/2018 21:55

Silent treatment/sulking is absolutely emotionally abusive and resolves nothing.

Neither does losing the temper.

But by you saying "are you sure you didn't get money out at the weekend" when you KNEW he hadn't, his wallet was empty and that you'd put money in it - sorry but if you'd come on here saying he'd done this to you you'd rightly be told he was gaslighting you - THAT is why you felt uncomfortable even as you created the lie. You WERE playing mind games. His behaviours is of course out of order but don't be dragged down to his level.

Regarding finances are you as a couple and him as a sick/disabled person getting all you are eligible for? Because what struck me re the car given he clearly is in a lot of pain is that he may be eligible for motorbility.

Has he been referred to a pain clinic? Of course NOT an excuse for being aggressive/abusive BUT better pain management might help with his temper. I'm sure any of us that has experienced extreme pain (labour? Serious injury?) has had moments where it's got to them. He should NOT be taking it out on you but he does need an outlet of some kind.

Also reading between the lines I think it's possible you're being more controlling re finances than you're admitting, even to yourself, probably understandably out of anxiety if things are tight, but it doesn't sound like you discuss finance with him, instead you're the financial manager and it's then up to you if you (as a couple) make big financial decisions. Would that be an accurate assessment? Even if that is the case I understand how you can slip into these habits you've had a LOT of changes to cope with.

IF you choose to stay together, and many couples do split under the same pressures, I think you'd both benefit from individual counselling. Even if you choose to leave it would be a good idea.

It IS incredibly stressful being a carer, particularly to a spouse which massively changes the dynamic. It's not unusual for the carer to unconsciously start to take on a more parental role and tone. I've seen it a lot (ex nurse, geriatric care, dealt with a lot of couples where one became ill and the other had to take on caring role it's rarely smooth sailing. Seen it with family and friends too). Sometimes it can slip into infantilising behaviour.

Conversely this can also lead to the sick person abdicating responsibility and taking on a more childlike role and can lead to their behaving in immature ways too. Sulks and tantrums included. Again seen this a lot too. And again absolutely NOT saying it's acceptable.

It's also very unsettling to become sick/disabled, in constant pain and needing a carer. It massively changes your perception of yourself as a person, as a member of society etc

You might also consider contacting someone like age uk (yes I know you are mere Spring chickens like me at 46!) or your local carers support group because I guarantee they will have a LOT of experience with this issue and will be able to point you in the right direction for further support for BOTH of you. They're also pretty switched on with the financial side of things. They can also give good advice in providing and accessing practical support so that care he needs can be put in place or you can give the info to step dd NOT because you should have to do this, but because then you don't have the excuse of "oh I can't leave he needs X y Z" it's a complicated situation.

He won't leave you he needs you. But you do need to seriously consider leaving him. My only reservation is your step dd who could be trapped with him.

And yes you really need to stop worrying what other people think, they don't matter, and those that do matter will understand and be supportive.

Jb291 · 04/10/2018 22:02

I really think this needs to be where you draw the line OP. No more putting up with his awful abusive treatment. Practical steps first. Do you have a mortgage or do you rent? Can you make enquiries regarding somewhere else to live? Please don't continue to suffer in silence. This has to come to an end not just for your welfare but that of your stepdaughter.

I think you need to see a solicitor and get the ball rolling on divorce proceedings. Irrespective of your husbands health issues nothing gives him the right to treat you like this. Can you access legal advice via your Union? With regards to the debt situation, your Trust may have employee assistance set up so you can access financial advice. Alternatively Step change will be able to advise and assist you.

Please take the first steps towards freedom, I absolutely promise you that life will look a lot brighter and you will be able to breathe again once you put an end to this awful abusive relationship.

Turniptracker · 04/10/2018 22:33

Is he likely to become physically abusive? If not then you might as well have a straight conversation with him about his behaviour as he can't really do much worse, except threaten to leave, which just shows his true feelings anyway.
It will be incredibly hard to break the habit of tip toeing around his moods but it's time to buckle up, find the courage and call him out on his disgusting behaviour.