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Husband giving me the silent treatment - I'm not coping anymore

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avah1969 · 04/10/2018 11:32

Hi guys,

To give you a bit of background, we've been together for 16 years and his daughter from a previous relationship has lived with us for the last 13 years.

Like many people, we have struggled financially since the credit crunch, with no pay rises at work alongside increasing bills. We both work full-time in stressful jobs but we never seem to get anywhere money-wise, and it feels like things will never improve. Although we just about manage to get by financially day to day, we don't have the money for large purchases and have not been on holiday in years. in addition to working full-time as a nurse, I have set up a small cake making business supplying novelty cakes, just to make a bit of extra cash, and it has become quite busy. It also means, however, that I don't get a lot of time to myself.

In the last 2 years we've suffered set back after set back, and it has taken it's toll on our relationship. My husband is type 1 diabetic and started to suffer from depression, which he was medicated for. This did improve things for a while. However, last year he then suffered a serious spinal injury, which resulted in operations, hospital admissions and a change to his medications. He has been left with nerve damage in his legs and bladder issues, which we have been told will likely be permanent. This has obviously affected his mood, given that he is only in his early 40's and can no longer be as active as he once was, as well as facing the embarrassment of bladder incontinence. He is also still in a lot of pain, but he refuses to take medication anymore because it makes him feel as though he is still 'ill' and he doesn't want to become dependant on it. During his recovery (approx. 6 months - 3 of which he was completely bedridden), I was his main carer, alongside me finishing a university degree, working full time and trying to run everything in the household myself. I regret that I did not seek help at the time, as I now feel that trying to do everything myself has run me down and I fear that it may also have led me to feel the need to be in control.

The only thing we ever argue about is money and it makes me so sad, because money and possessions are not what life is about, and neither of these things will be on my mind when I am on my deathbed. People are important to me, not possessions. But for my husband, it's all he obsesses about.

Due to his back injury, the car we share is no longer suitable for him, as it is small, low down and difficult for him to get into. Ideally, we need a new car but we simply cannot afford one right now. Believe me I have tried to figure out a way to get a new car just to keep him happy, but there are no options available to us. He can't seem to see or understand this, and he therefore blames me for our money situation because I'm the one doing all the worrying and am seen as the one saying no to purchases which we simply cannot afford. He accuses me of hiding things from him financially and says that my worrying about money all the time makes him feel terrified to spend any money at all. He has his own bank account which he could check if he really wanted to and there are so many credit scoring companies out there now, that if he really thought I was hiding something, it would be pretty easy for him to check this.

Even small gestures that I make, he manages to twist into something negative and to do with money, when they simply are not. For example, when he went back to work after his back injury, he was not allowed to drive because he was still heavily medicated. I was therefore making him a lunch to take with him, as he was unable to make the daily journey to the local ship at lunchtime, as he did before. Even after he did start driving again, I still made him lunch because it had become a habit and he said it was much better than what he could buy from the shop and it saved him time. Plus, with him being diabetic, it gave me peace of mind to know he always had something to eat on hand, should his blood sugar drop. I never ever thought of me making his lunch as a controlling act, but somehow he has now even twisted this into me only making him lunch as a means to keep him out of the shop, so that he can't spend money.

Our arguments always result in him screaming and swearing at me without allowing me the chance to speak and then him giving me the silent treatment, sometimes for days on end. Once, it even lasted 3 full weeks before he said a word to me. This behaviour has made me a nervous wreck, and I find myself tip-toeing around him when I know he is in mood.

He has been particularly stressed at work recently and they have made changes which mean he can no longer bring his work transport home with him, he has to park it in their base and find another way home. This has made the car situation even worse and after trialling me taking him to and from work, it was clear that he was uncomfortable in the car and it was making his back pain worse. As such, he has been more down and distant over the last few weeks.

Last Friday night, on the journey home, it was clear he was in a mood and he mumbled something about having a few things to pay for at work this week. He then proceeded to pretty much ignore me the rest to the weekend, only speaking when he really had to. This was making my anxiety increase, as I could see an explosion was on the horizon.

On Tuesday morning, he was in the shower and his wallet had fallen out of his trouser pocket and was lying on the bedroom floor. I was making the bed and having a general tidy around, so I picked up and noted that he had no money in it. I knew that he has his weekly team meeting on a Tuesday and that this was when he likely when he would need the money he had mentioned on Friday. I knew he had a busy day ahead, with meetings all day and wouldn't have time to get to an ATM, or would forget and then turn up at the meeting with no cash (which would likely cause a meltdown when he got home). I has some cash in the house that someone had paid me for a cake, so I slipped it into his wallet, thinking it would help him out and save him time. I fully intended to tell him I had done so when he got out of the shower. However, he came out the shower shouting and swearing and he got ready for work, slamming doors and mumbling various issues and insults under his breath (not solely directed at me but I could see which direction his temper was leading). I could feel my heart racing and my anxiety peaked with fear. I was too numb and scared at that point to say anything about putting the money in his wallet. On the car journey to his work, he was silent other than the odd complaint about all the things he had to do that day and sighing. Just as we were pulling into his work he remembered that he needed cash and made it out to be such a bit deal and a hassle, asking me if he needs my permission to take money out, again twisting it to be my fault. My nerves completely kicked in and I was terrified of his colleagues walking by the car and hearing him, that I stupidly said 'are you sure you never took money out when you were out and about at the weekend, maybe you've got money on you'. I have no idea why I said it and I instantly regretted it. He went crazy saying that he daren't take money out without the puppet-masters approval (this is what he calls me) and he got out of the car without another word.

Fast forward to 7:30pm that night, I was waiting for his call to pick him up and it was getting much later than normal, so I tried to call him. I was worried because he has been having more episodes of low blood sugar recently and I am always concerned when he's late that he's passed out somewhere. He never answered his phone. 10 minutes later, I see him walking up the street towards the house and realise that he has decided not to call for a lift home and instead walk. This immediately peaks my anxiety, as I know he has done this to avoid me and I start to worry about what mood I am about to be faced with.

He came in and sat in his chair without saying a word. I was in the kitchen making the dinner and our daughter was in her bedroom. As soon as I walked into the living room he started shouting at me, asking where the money in his wallet had come from and I froze. I didn't know what to say for the best, because I knew either way that he would twist it. He said that I was trying make him think he is losing his mind, and that I tried to convince him he had been to an ATM when he knew he hadn't. I tried to explain but he wouldn't let me speak and just continued to shout over the top of me. He said that I was playing mind games and that his ex-wife used to do that to him, he would not put up with it and if that's what I'm doing then I'm out the door. This went on for at least an hour, with me in tears and him standing over the top of me.

Our daughter heard and asked what was going on, although I am only her step-mum, she has lived with me most of her life and real mum passed away several years ago, so she sees me as her actual mum. She has witnessed other episodes of her father's temper before and knows he can be unreasonable sometimes but this was the worst she had seen him. His comments towards me were vile and extremely hurtful. She was also concerned that he did not seem to care that I was a bubbling mess.

Once he has stopped shouting, the inevitable silent treatment began. He pretended I did not exist, made himself a cup of tea and asked out daughter if she wanted one but ignored me, and then went bed without saying at word.

Yesterday morning, he got up much earlier than usual and asked our daughter if she would drop him off at his work on her way out, all so that he didn't need to ask me. He left without taking his lunch with him (which I had already made), nor did he say goodbye and he walked home from work at night. Our daughter was out last night so it was just the two of us and this was making my anxiety worse. Just before he came home, I had a major nosebleed and was sitting with a blood soaked tissue as he walked in the front door. He never even acknowledged me.

Luckily, my dad turned up for a visit out of the blue and as usual, my husband chatted away to him and pretended everything was fine. This is typical of him, to ignore me but be Mr personality with everyone else. I did not let on to my father that anything was wrong, as I know he worries and has been unwell himself recently. He stayed for around an hour and a half which made last night a bit easier as it meant I didn't have to put up with the silence for quite as long.

Once my father left I dished up the dinner. I am the type of person who would rather talk over an issue than be silent and ignore it, nor am I the type to be petty and give him a taste of his own medicine. I therefore still follow my routine and include him in it. I therefore dished up a plate for him and told him it was there. He ignored me and it was 20 minutes before he finally took his insulin and had his tea. You would think, with his diabetes he would be more sensible but there have been numerous occasions where he has refused a meal during his episodes of silent treatment, simply because I cooked it and to him, eating it would be a sign of weakness. He again went to bed without saying a word.

During last night, his blood sugars dropped but luckily his body senses this quick enough and he tends to wake up and deal with the situation. This always wakes me up and last night was no different. As always, I asked him if he was ok and he just grunted at me. This morning, when he was in the shower, I got out of bed and instantly had a nose bleed. I went into the bathroom to get tissue and he never asked if I was ok.

I continued with my usual morning routine. Although he never spoke to me this morning, he did make me a cup of tea, without asking, but couldn't quite bring himself to tell me he had done so or bring it to me in the other room. I only noticed it when I went back into the kitchen to clear up. With our daughter being out overnight, his choices were to either put up with me taking him to work or walk the 1.5 miles to his work. He chose the latter and left without taking his lunch and without saying a word.

He accuses me of playing mind games but surely he's the one doing this? I genuinely believe that he is very deliberate in the way he acts, for example, making me tea but still treating me as if I'm not there. Is he doing this to continue to mess with my head and make me question the mixed messages. I know it probably sounds really silly and trivial, but why make me tea (which could be seen as a positive) but then continue to ignore me (a negative).

Other than this increasingly more common arguing over money and his way of dealing with it by giving me the silent treatment, we genuinely have had a good relationship over the years and our friends and neighbours would be shocked to think this behaviour goes on in our house.

I would really welcome any opinions or comments from people who may understand the situation I am in, so that I don't continue to go off my head with it all. I've started to think he really does want to end things.

OP posts:
AndTheBandPlayedOn · 04/10/2018 22:33

Stop cooking/making lunch for him. Whatever; you are busy.

Stop expecting him to be civil to you. It is time, past time, to emotionally disconnect from him. Stop caring what he thinks. He certainly does not care what you think.

Separate your finances. Do it first and then inform him. No discussion because you are done. No more arguments about money, get off that merry-go-round.

Move out. To your Dad’s if compatible. It doesn’t have to be far but make it far enough he can’t walk to work from where you go.

You have done so so much for him. His treatment of you is shocking. Well the Care and the Duty cards have been punched out. Sometimes things get to a point where they simply are not continuously renewable resources. You are used up; get going before you are ground to dust.

Stop listening to him. Stop caring. Let his words float around on sound waves like background white noise. Be indifferent. He will continue with the insults but at this point they are not about you. He is having tantrums for his own purposes (manipulation? Ego supply?) -again nothing to do with you.

Good luck. You do not deserve to be treated this way. Gaslighting him about the cash into his wallet was a mistake. Own it, apologize- it is irrelevant if he accepts your apology or not. If he kicks off, speak with your feet and leave his presence. Every single time.

Catsatrophe · 04/10/2018 23:07

What a load of bollocks.

Bestlife18 · 04/10/2018 23:23

I am so sorry that you are going through such a terrible time OP. It very much echoes my own relationship with my husband who left 11 weeks ago. I saw a counsellor on Monday who was the first person to come out and say “he was abusive!!”. The constant walking on eggshells, silent treatment and also disappearing acts are something I lived with for 5 years. I also was terrified about money as I have 2 young kids and a £1000 a mth nursery bill to pay to keep my job. I held onto this Soab for this time because of the worries of money and fear of failure. It’s also bloody hard leaving them, your head tells you it’s right when every natural instinct is sad and missing them! The emotional rollercoaster that they create hooks you in and it’s proven that you become addicted to the constant anxiety and then the periods in between. You need to decide if this is something you want to put up with for rest of your life though. You deserve better. I wish you the best of luck and hope you can find a way to starting a new life without the fear of the mood swings and the anxiety. 11 weeks after, I am not healed but I realise what he is and am on the journey at least x

subspace · 05/10/2018 00:26

Your daughter (and she is, in all but blood) knows he is behaving abusively. Set her the example she needs to see that it's not okay for men to treat women like that.

Stop making him tea, food, stop trying with him. Potter about and do your own thing. If you have a little ipod or similar put the earbuds in if he starts shouting and walk away - out into the garden, out for a walk, out for a drive. Simply do not engage with him. Leave him. Give not one fuck.about what he will tell other people.

Singlenotsingle · 05/10/2018 00:45

I have to admire your patience OP. You must be so unhappy but you have the patience of a saint with this unpleasant man. And it doesn't matter what other people think. Your dad knows the truth. She's had to live with it. I'd separate if j were you. Move into the spare room, ignore him and let him do his own cooking, shopping, washing etc. I know his health isn't good but that's no excuse for such rudeness. He should be grateful for having someone to look after him. It sounds to me as though he's losing his marbles tbh.

ohfourfoxache · 05/10/2018 01:02

You need to prepare to leave him. He’s as abusive as fuck.

And as others have said, please don’t even think about cooking/washing/giving him lifts. He can’t even be civil to you.

Cawfee · 05/10/2018 05:10

Stop cooking for him.
You’re worrying about his health constantly but he doesn’t once ask if you’re ok when you’ve got nose bleeds?
He obviously doesn’t want to be married anymore based on the way he treats you. Book yourself into a hotel for a few nights. Don’t tell him and don’t facilitate him. Go get a break. Let him fend for himself. You are always there. Stop being there. Let your daughter know where you are if she needs you. Go get a break and figure out what you want to do away from this abusive environment.
I suggest you book to see a solicitor about how to separate your finances. You deserve more than being treated this way after everything you’ve done for him. He’s horrific.

Shoxfordian · 05/10/2018 06:26

Stop doing everything for him. After the argument about you making his lunch, I don't know why you're still doing it. I'd never make him lunch again if that happened.

Speak to womens aid, and get yourself out of there as soon as you can..

redexpat · 05/10/2018 06:48

You sound like such a lovely considerate person. I think you deserve better than this, don't you?

TheNavigator · 05/10/2018 06:56

He sounds like my mum's husband.

Listen - nothing you say will make any difference to his behaviour - you cannot in any way control it.
Other people do not think he is as lovely as you think they do - his mask will have slipped at times. They just won't be saying anything to you because you seem like a loyal wife - if you open up, they will believe you.
If you don't go now, you could be stuck forever. My mum is in her 70s and her husband now has dementia - it is living torture for her, but having stayed with him for 30 years it is genuinely tough to walk out on someone entirely dependent on you - even though he is still vile.
His biological children have cut all contact with him.
Don't let this be your future.

Clutterbugsmum · 05/10/2018 06:58

You really need to leave the 'nurse' you at the hospital when you leave. You can't continue like you are, your giving a 150% of yourself to everyone and leaving nothing for yourself.

You need to start putting yourself higher up in your life. Baby steps first. What can you do today for yourself. Don't make him lunch, don't offer to take him to work and don't cook today, just yourself.

AlmaGeddon · 05/10/2018 07:03

Imagine he is not there. If you were alone what would you do that you enjoy. eg play music, sing, go and lie on the sofa with a good book, go to the cinema.
Every thought in your head is channelled through what he might do or say. Or else what everyone else might think.
You've lost sight of yourself. Buy a magazine, go for a walk, what would YOU like to do. You could be enjoying this lovely autumn but you are obsessing about him.

LifeBeginsNow · 05/10/2018 07:16

His behaviour is very similar to how my dad used to act towards my mum and myself. It was torture and still causes me issues now he's long gone.

I can imagine how hard it would be to leave but your alternative is far worse. You've got another 20-30 years of work left I'm guessing and having to cope with this when you get home (it won't imorove) and then you both retire and you have it all day every day. You'll end up praying he'll die or thinking of ways to end your life. Neither option is a nice feeling.

Tell more people what's going on. Our mistake was to keep it all quiet as it was 'private family stuff'. You may be surprised that people already do suspect something is off. You're behaviour will have definitely changed and I bet you aren't the happy, smiley person you once were.

Try not to worry about the debt. That's a side issue. Your mental health and happiness is key. Start over and begin living again. There are debt charities out there who can help you get right. Being with him is only going to push you further into debt (a new car for example which will happen because he says so).

You could be in a completely different place in a year. A nice flat, (able to come and go as you please and not walking on eggshells when you open the door), a thriving cake business and a good career you're moving up in and getting a chance to meet new people. A proportion of the debt will be getting paid off with the help of Stepchange but it will be a nominal amount still allowing you to live. I hope you find the strength to do this soon.

zoobud · 05/10/2018 08:45

You sound like a very nice person & someone with enough energy to move forward with your life positively. I got anxious just reading your post so god knows how you must feel. There is another, happier life awaiting you on the other side of this. Thanks

Thebluedog · 05/10/2018 11:15

Stop cooking for him, stop making his sandwiches for him, if he won’t had the common decency to talk to you and be civil, or even make you drink, then don’t do the same for him either!

So sorry you are going through this op Flowers thisbthread makes me so sad for you

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 05/10/2018 11:53

How are you today @avah1969?

StormTreader · 05/10/2018 12:03

It sounds like the main person who's opinion matters to you is your dad. If you told him even half of what you've written here, do you think he'd think badly of you for leaving? Of course not.

Anyone who cares about you would want you to not be living in fear.

user1457017537 · 05/10/2018 14:24

I hope it all works out for you. He is emotionally blackmailing you with his health

Jog22 · 05/10/2018 15:14

I agree with other posters about leaving being the ultimate end aim however you must be so fragile and worn down it sounds like you need to build some strength up before this seems possible to you. I agree with leaving your nurse head at work and talk to someone in real life. If you cant face someone you know yet or a support organisation then Samaritans are there for you. Don't hesitate to call them. (I've been one and the amount of people prefacing their call with; "I shouldn't be bothering you. I shouldn't complain" then go on to relate some unbearable situation like yours....mostly those were women..)

Get out of the house when he is in it. I bet there's people on here who will tell how running sorted their heads and others will help you do Grey Rock techniques so that you can begin to protect yourself. Try not making his meal one evening because you've 'stayed late at work'. Be bemused if that's a problem for him. Do it more often. Start imagining a forcefield around you that he cannot penetrate.

Please keep posting. We're here for you.

avah1969 · 05/10/2018 15:19

Hi Guys

After yet another sleepless night, I am still being ignored.

He again got up really early and asked our daughter to take him to pick up his van. She did so, only because she didn't want to cause an early morning scene. She did text me afterwards to see if I was ok.

Once he had picked up his van, he came back to the house to collect his things and have a cup of tea - he didn't make me one this morning.

Getting really fed up with the silence, I tried to talk to him this morning and told him we cannot fix this or go on this way, with him giving me the silent treatment. I said that the way he is behaving is unacceptable and stressed that we really need to talk calmly about things. He became aggressive and told me it's me who needs to change the way I am, with me being completely obsessed about money. He said I tried to bullshit him just like I had done with his friend last year - to explain, his best friend is loaded, has no mortgage and drives a brand new £70k car. Last year, our daughter passed her driving test and out of the blue (and without fully discussing it with me), him and his friend went and bought our daughter a £5k car - his friend paid for it in cash and my husband told him we would get the money back to him in a couple of weeks!!!

My husband then explained to me that we needed to pay his friend back, and I had no idea where I was going to magic this £5k from. It actually took me 2-3 months to scrape enough money together to repay his friend, throughout which time, him and his friend were bad mouthing me because I was trying to make excuses for why we hadn't paid the money, rather than admit the truth to his friend.

This is not the first time he has done something like this, he once hit 'buy it now' on a £12.5k BMW, paid the non refundable deposit through paypal with what was left of our savings, and then turned to me to find the rest of the money, which he needed within 48 hours, as this was when he had arranged to go and pick the car up in person. An almighty argument ensued and this was probably one of the first occasions when I felt truly scared of him. Having no other option, I informed him that the only avenue left open to him to get money was his bank account, which was currently offering him a £10k overdraft on his account. I told him the overdraft was not a good idea but he basically clicked a button online to accept the overdraft, withdrew the account to it full overdraft limit to buy a car, and lived in a constant overdraft for years, which I was always terrified would be immediately withdrawn, forcing us to repay £10k immediately - when he bought the BMW he had a Ford Focus sitting in the drive as well, on which he had a loan for £5k that was still outstanding, with nearly 2 years payments left to run.

This morning, I again apologised for trying to mislead him about the money in his wallet the other day, but tried to make him see why I had done so - basically because of my anxiety through his behaviour. However, he said he knew I wasn't really sorry and that the only reason I'm feeling sorry for myself is because he caught me in the lie.

It was clear this conversation was going nowhere, and I didn't want him barging out the door in an even worse mood, brooding on it all day and then coming home worse, so I left it and went upstairs to get ready for work.

However, as I was upstairs, my father had turned up out of the blue because he was dropping my niece off at the local school. He needed to ask me a favour and knew that my mobile phone is currently not working so he thought he'd pop in and catch me before I went to work. He and my partner chatted away like nothing was wrong until I came downstairs.

My father said he needed me to take a photo of him for some apprenticeship reunion hat he's going to, but I said I didn't have a camera and my mobile isn't working, so I couldn't use that either. My partner directly spoke to me, and cheerily offered me the use of his mobile phone to take the picture and email it to my dad. I just wanted to scream at him - 'why are you talking to me like a normal human being now, just because my dad is here, when you've been an absolute bastard to me for days?!!'. I didn't say anything, but I wish I had now. I'm not sure if getting him to talk in front of someone else, or getting someone else to talk to him without me there would make him see sense, or whether he would see it as an ambush.

My partner left for work and shouted goodbye as he left, again, only because my dad was there. As soon as the door closed, my dad asked me what was going on. He said he'd sensed something was wrong when he dropped by the other night, but had hoped it was just a temporary issue, but he could see now that it was not. I broke, and told him EVERYTHING.

He had me bundled in his car and back to his house before 9:30am. I called in sick to work and have spent the last 5 hours thrashing it all out with my dad. He has 2 spare rooms and said they are there whenever I need them and for however long I need them. He will do everything to support me, regardless of which way I choose to go, although I know which way he would prefer at this moment in time. I always knew I would have his support, but I had never wanted to admit to him what was going on before. I think that was one of the hardest parts.

I'm back in my own home now, but my father is coming down this evening to get his photo taken (and to check in on me, I'm sure). Our daughter is out again this evening, so it will hopefully break up a bit of the silence. My father is very good at acting normal, even though I know he would love to do my husband some damage right now, and he has offered to have a word with my husband himself, not in a accusatory or defensive way, but as a concerned father/father in law. To add to the difficulty of this situation, my husband is essentially my father's boss.

I'm completely upside-down with it all.

Do you think it would be a good idea for my father to broach the subject with my husband, or is it asking for trouble? x

OP posts:
Aprilislonggone · 05/10/2018 15:26

I would be asking your df to help you pack.

ElspethFlashman · 05/10/2018 15:30

I think it's utterly pointless.

What outcome can you possibly expect? Your husband sounds deranged. A quiet chat with your Dad isn't going to change that.

Best outcome, your husband tolerates you breathing in his presence for another month till some other trivial thing outrages you.

So best case scenario, you sink back into Purgatory with this house devil who hates you.

ElspethFlashman · 05/10/2018 15:31

*Some other trivial thing outrages HIM, I obvs meant to say!

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 05/10/2018 15:33

Why have you gone back? Why would you even want to stay?

Pack up, take your father up on his lovely offer and MOVE.

Today.

Start looking forward to the rest of your life.

Dancingtothemusicoftime · 05/10/2018 15:38

OP, I strongly advise you not to suggest that your DF speaks to your H. All your messages make it very apparent that your truly appalling H places a very high value on how he appears to others, and particularly to other men. His behaviour is both threatening and devoid of any care for you. To be frank, I think he is potentially very dangerous to you.
Your DF speaking to him would be seen by your DH as a humiliating betrayal by you and I am seriously concerned about what the outcome for you might be once you are alone again with your H.

He is clearly ramping up his repellent behaviour towards you. For your own safety please leave. Please. Go to your Dad's and ensure that you are accompanied when collecting your stuff from your house. Your H is a vicious, sadistic bully and you need to get out.