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Considering leaving for (the idea of) the other man

102 replies

Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:00

I am in need of advice and a serious talking to.

I am in a 12 year marriage to an awesome partner who I was very happy with and who was my best friend and playmate until he made a mistake I can't reveal for fear of outing and whose guilt about it has changed our life. He has been under the care of a mental health and crisis team for three years since the realisation of his mistake and the lifelong consequences to us both became clear.

He is in many ways the same man I married and I love him to pieces but he no longer feels able to have a sexual or romantic attachment because essentially he feels undeserving and that it is safer not to be close to anyone so that he cannot hurt them. That makes me feel so sad for him to feel this way about himself. He is struggling so much to forgive himself. He is working on this in therapy and has been since therapy started.

At his request we live in separate rooms but still spend lots of time together and function as a couple to the outside world, although he has retreated to a platonic safe space. He doesn't want it to be this way but it's all he can manage right now.

We were loved up and very broodily TTC the two years before the event happened. We are in our late 30s now. I would still love to have a family with my husband if he was better. It is almost like we are in a limbo space.

I don't even want to type this. I have been having an affair that started out as online chat a year ago and have fallen for the other man. We have spent a lot of time together recently and he is now offering me a relationship, children and remarriage one day (as in, asking me to leave to begin a proper relationship). He would be relocating for me eventually if we were able to develop a relationship. I do believe this has meaning to him. He is divorced.

I don't know what to do.

Two friends I have confided in think that I need to give my husband more time to recover because of how happy we were before and that I need to tell my husband nothing for now but just end the affair and tell my husband when he is better so he can decide our future. One other friend thinks I need to move on with my life and separate from my husband, accepting it might not work out with this man but seeing where it leads.

I have just started counselling to get a grip. My therapist is not giving an opinion on what I should do as that's not her role.

My heart is telling me that I cannot give up on my husband and our dreams. He was everything to me and I promised him I'd support him and I still love him. He might come back to me yet. But my head is telling me that I can't let this other man go when I love him and he is offering me a chance at a future I want instead of more years of limbo.

I would be grateful for your advice, even if just to offer a different take on it all.

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 24/09/2018 12:08

He might come back to me yet
And he might not.
It's been 3 years!
That's a long time with no affection and living in a 'flat mate' situation.
Life is short. Please live it doing what you want to do.
Has he improved at all over the last few years?
Your time is running out for children.
You get one shot at this.
Stop spending it 'waiting' for him.

PookieDo · 24/09/2018 12:14

I read this the whole way through thinkng but it does depend on what the mistake is. If it’s linked to his sexual identity/behaviour then he may never fully recover

I don’t think having an affair and running off with a new mystery man is your answer. Your answer is not to swap one man out for another. It’s to leave your DH because the marriage is over, hopefully in the most respectful kind way you can. Then build your own life and see if someone does come along who you feel you could build a life with

The way you describe leaving him - for a better offer is cruel. Sorry but it sounds that way. If you want to leave for the other man then do, but you will be damaging your DH in the process and you can’t escape from that

ASAS · 24/09/2018 12:15

I can't fathom your situation. Initially I assumed he had sexually assaulted someone but you don't mention the justice system...

Why are you bothering to appear as a couple to the outside world? I would just leave. Poster above is right, if you want children you need to plan to leave.

Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:21

Sorry I meant that we do things together so it's not as though we live separate lives at all, not that we pretend to be a couple.

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NK1cf53daaX127805d4fd5 · 24/09/2018 12:23

If he hasn't returned to himself after 3 yrs will be ever return? Maybe it's beat to separated so both can have a fresh start?

Musti · 24/09/2018 12:23

It's been 3 years. If you want children you probably need to leave. What does your husband say about having children?

Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:24

His mental health has improved a lot since the beginning yes.

A better offer - I suppose it is in the sense that it's an offer to be a couple but in no way is it better because my husband is inferior. I would give anything to go back to the day before all this started and say "just stay home today."

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Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:26

He says he would love children still, one day, when he's better.

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Musti · 24/09/2018 12:27

One day isn't good enough though. It sounds like you're being punished and your future because of his mistake:(

Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:27

If I'm honest I do think I probably need to leave to start living again and working towards a relationship to have children. I just feel like I will have failed him.

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gonnabreakmyrustycage · 24/09/2018 12:28

It really depends on his “mistake” I think.

PookieDo · 24/09/2018 12:29

He’s not going to see it like that

If the marriage is over, it’s over

But it is cruel if it’s over because you got a better offer, behind his back you made all those plans

You have to leave if you want children, and his mistake shouldn’t be your mistake but that just doesn’t justify that instead of leaving him 2 years ago you started an affair

Straighttalkersneeded · 24/09/2018 12:32

I didn't want to leave him. I wanted to support him and hoped he'd recover.

No there is no justification for the affair. Absolutely. I failed him.

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MintyT · 24/09/2018 12:34

I think you have thought of your Dp enough and now you need to think of you, I should imagine that he has caused an accident and hurt someone, and can't forgive himself. I think you should leave.

Foodylicious · 24/09/2018 12:36

If his mistake was some sort of indiscreation or assault then him being all reclusive and a martyr is just not on.

Yes he has had MY issues, but he is an adult with the ability to make choices and decisions.

He is choosing to keep you both in this limbo and it's just not fair. Of course as he is reasonable, pleasant etc and the rest of your relationship seems ok outwardly, it just makes it harder for you to tell him you are not happy.
I would be surprised if there is not a very conscious effort on his part to keep this going.

I do think you should leave, but mostly because you have already. You have been (in his eyes if/when he knows) been living a lie for the last year.

I can't see a positive and in this for either of you if staying together.

Shampooeeee · 24/09/2018 12:44

Life is short. I think leaving your husband for a mistake he has made would be cruel but leaving him for the way he has pushed you out is justified.
Unlike PPs who are imagining he committed a sexual assault, my assumption was that he ran someone over in his car. Obviously, my response would be different depending on what his mistake was.

Wherearemymarbles · 24/09/2018 12:47

So he did something. He is feeling guilty. And you are paying for it.

If you want kids you need to leave him or he needs to stop with all this woe-is-me crap.

And to be frank someone so mentally fragile probably couldn’t cope with children anyway.

Dan89 · 24/09/2018 12:51

And not a single poster berated the affair...

someonekillbabyshark · 24/09/2018 13:04

I'm not going to give an opinion on your affair or whether you should leave because 1- I don't know what you husband has done so I don't know whether you should leave him and 2 - it's wrong in any relationship to have an affair even if you husband was abusive towards you, just leave.
But one thing I can say is that when I got with my now DH he was VERY mentally damaged after what his ex did to him. 3 years later he is in a much better place and we have a beautiful little girl.
If his metal health has got better in your mind why would you leave him ? Maybe you need to sit down and talk about we're you are in your relationship and whether you can take the next step together in getting things back on track and starting a family and if it's not possible tell him you can't carry on in the relationship because you have a life that you want to live and you want to be a parent.... leave it 6 months before coming out in your new relationship

RaininSummer · 24/09/2018 13:14

It sounds terribly sad but you are going to miss the window for children if you stay. I like the talking to him about the near future idea - if no change is on the horizon then you should leave or accept that this half life might be your life going forwards and let the other man go.

PookieDo · 24/09/2018 13:18

@Dan89

Which isn’t true as I did berate it

Wanting kids, having a sexless marriage is never an excuse. Those things are dealbreakers. You did wait 2 years for a change in him but then spent 1 year finding a replacement/potenital baby daddy

The affair didn’t accidentally happen
I think the sooner you stop romanticising your husband and the affair and face up to reality the better.

If you did really care for him you would not have had an affair with another man whilst he is going through what sounds horrific and life changing.

It is ok for you - even with his mistake you can walk away. And you will even though it’s taken you 3 years. You have also lied to him for one of those years which cannot be helpful for any ‘recovery’

GorgonLondon · 24/09/2018 13:21

What, roughly, did he do, op?

It makes a big difference to whether or not there is a marriage to save.

SelfCareAndKindness · 24/09/2018 13:23

Walk away and toward the life you want and deserve. You're a bloody saint for living this way for so long

Quartz2208 · 24/09/2018 13:24

You need to put yourself first and if that means moving on do so

Certainly the status quo isn’t helping anyone

Notacluewhatthisis · 24/09/2018 13:31

I don't think you should stay with your husband.

However I suspect you aren't helping his recovery. He feels he is undeserving. You are having an affair. He is probably picking up on subtle signs that you think someone is better than him.

Forget the OM. But don't miss your chance to have kids by staying with your husband.

Move on from both. Get some space to deal with the fall out, then look at a relationship with OM.