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Was he right to ask me to pay rent when sleeping in his bed...and wanting to have a baby with me ?

98 replies

Falulah · 01/09/2018 15:20

A recent post on a FB dating group kind of triggered me to remember a situation that happened with my (abusive) ex a few years ago when I was 23 and he was 39 ... I would love some viewpoints on it to get some closure or clarity on this situation:

6 years ago....my ex asked me to move in with him to his house that he owned - 15 year only mortgage was secured by him & his Mother - he had equity in the house but was only paying interest on the mortgage with his income from housemate, not paying it off - so he didn't have to work much - He wanted me to pay rent (as if I was a tenant) for sleeping in his bed with him, whilst he still kept a housemate in the spare room, and wanted me to contribute to bills and food as well - this was when he was also wanting to try for a baby with me - basically making income & a baby out of me. At the time i argued with him and said this was wrong - and he made me feel as if I was being a brat and kept saying "You can't live somewhere for free - if you had to rent a room elsewhere you'd need to pay rent...." .....Was I right ?? I feel he was trying to profit off me. He also said he would only marry me if I signed a pre-nup. (Unheard of almost in U.K especially if you have children, unless you are high powered/aristocracy/celebrity) .

I suggested I would pay bills & half of our food shop plus put some money aside in a savings account for baby/holidays/house improvements in the future - He refused this and would only entertain things his way. I was very naive and young but still I don't think this was right.....???

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glintandglide · 01/09/2018 17:50

It all sounds very childish and silly as opposed to wrong.

Fireworks91 · 01/09/2018 17:51

Of course you should have been paying, what an odd attitude. What if he had been moving in with you? Would you have expected to keep him?

HeckyPeck · 01/09/2018 17:56

OP was happy to pay half food/bills etc. His lodger covered mortgage costs. He wanted to make a profit off her! Whilst they were trying for a baby! Ridiculous

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 01/09/2018 18:06

Yanbu. He would be paying the same mortgage whether you lived there or not. A man who loves you would not try to make money out of you - the house was his asset, not shared.

The way I see it is that you are either in a personal relationship or a business one. If you pay rent, that's business and you get your own room and legal rights as a tenant. If it's a personal relationship, you should just be paying your share of food/bills.

Huskylover1 · 01/09/2018 18:22

NOBODY should be able to live somewhere for free. Adults pay Rent, or they get a Mortgage.

In this case, all of the Expenditure should have been added up, and then halved. And that includes the Mortgage.

Yes, you can argue that the Op wouldn't gain anything from the house, as it's not her asset, but Renters don't either. And it sounds like she was Renting before meeting her Partner, as there's no mention of her selling a home.

And if she wasn't fannylodging staying with her boyfriend, she'd need to pay Rent to a Landlord, like every other person on the planet.

The fact that were trying for a baby means nothing, unless she was trading her womb for rent.

Imagine a Man suggesting this. He'd get ripped to shreds on MN.

Huskylover1 · 01/09/2018 18:26

He also said he would only marry me if I signed a pre-nup

Clever man.

SemperIdem · 01/09/2018 18:30

I really don’t understand why you think you should have been living there for free.

DioneTheDiabolist · 01/09/2018 18:34

I think he would have been well out of order to charge rent if you were a SAHM to his children. But you weren't.

You were a working adult living in a house, so of course you should pay rent OP. I find it strange that you think sleeping with him means you shouldn't.Confused

Rebecca36 · 01/09/2018 18:50

"I suggested I would pay bills & half of our food shop plus put some money aside in a savings account for baby/holidays/house improvements in the future"

That sounds reasonable to me.

Some people people are just like that (as he was).

Aren't you glad you're well out of it and didn't have a baby?

LittleMissMarker · 01/09/2018 19:17

Contributing to the bills and food is reasonable, but contributing to his mortgage interest is not.

"You can't live somewhere for free - if you had to rent a room elsewhere you'd need to pay rent...."

"And I would have legal rights as a tenant, and my own room . Are you offering those?"

You didn't even have your own bed. Your offer was perfectly sensible. If he really needed so much extra legal protection then he shouldn't have asked you to move in with him until he was ready to commit, get married etc. You could have kept your own place and visited.

Redglitter · 01/09/2018 19:23

And for the people saying men should pay then what if the situation is reversed, man moves into the female home? He doesn't pay either? She pays the mortgage on her own? Because he's fucking her

Not really sure of your point here. Why would it be any different for a man moving in with his partner. Of course he should contribute too

Thatsfuckingshit · 01/09/2018 19:24

I have a mortgage, if so moved in with me, he bloody would be paying towards bills. Not half as I earn more. But yes he would be contributing.

That's said, we have always said that if he moves in and we are both happy after a year i will put his name on the house but protect what I invested in it. I would expect him to contribute but I would let him have the protection as well.

If we split in 10 years I job I it would be unfair for him to have nothing after helping the mortgage for 10 years.

IWannaSeeHowItEnds · 01/09/2018 19:29

The thing with renting is that the OP would get to choose where she lived, whether she would share with other people or have her own place. Moving in with a bf, in his house, takes away those choices. If he was going to ask the tenant to move out, then I could see him reasonably asking the OP to contribute rent, since it was her preference to not share with a lodger. But he wanted to continue with that and make money from the OP.
To me, cock/fanny lodging is when someone moves in and expects to contribute nothing, or profits from renting out their own house, while not sharing that benefit with their dp. The OP was going to use her 'rent' money to pay for their holidays or baby. Plus, she was paying her share of food and bills.
He sounds tight - that is never an attractive trait.

Hogtini · 01/09/2018 19:33

Sex and babies are not currency. Of course you should have contributed

Smellbellina · 01/09/2018 19:36

I didn't pay DP rent or contribute towards bills, he had the pleasure of my company! It changed when we properly set up home together.

HeckyPeck · 01/09/2018 19:51

Imagine if a guy came on here and said:

My DP and I are trying for a baby. We live together. She contributes towards bills and food. I have a lodger that covers the mortgage payments. AIBU to want her to pay me rent too?

He’d be torn to shreds! (And quite rightly)

Falulah · 01/09/2018 19:58

Thanks for person who suggested freedom programme. Perhaps the more harsh posters could gain some perspective from reading again that I was 23 years old he was nearly 40.

Yes I made poor choices and ignored red flags but I was very young and in the city away from my family. Prior to moving in with him I was a student finishing my degree - I had a nannying job lined up which paid £16,000 a year.
He did not really work much... did not have a job. Did some self employed work part time. I would go off to work every day 8.30am, he would stay in bed until midday.

He told me he had his own business but once I moved in, it became clearer that what he really did was smoke weed all the time (he hid the frequency from me before I moved in said it was occasional at parties) and made loads of phone calls but didn’t actually have a functioning business. I found this out 1 year into the relationship and after I was already in love. I was 23. I wanted to fix him. ...
I said to him before I moved in that if we were to have a baby (which he proposed to me he wanted to have babies with as soon as possible and marry me) then the lodger would need to move out.. I didn’t want to live with his lodger who was a man & share a bathroom with this other man ... I lived with housemates before in shared house, but because of the relationship I was spending 3-5 nights a week at his house - he didn’t want to come to mine very much because he was very attached to his house and only wanted to stay there. His house was nice and cosy & he had cats etc.
So I was paying £500 per month in rent in my shared house from student benefits & a small part time job but I was hardly living in that room ! Because always at his.

He did not want me to pay into mortgage or have any stake in his house. He did not want to move lodger out until just before baby was born. He did want me to be SAHM. I did too and he agreed that I would be. He knew I didn’t have a proper career yet to go back to & we couldn’t have afforded full time childcare for me to work in London on startup wage it wouldn’t be worth it - all my wages would go to childcare so I’d be working just to pay childcare for the baby. He didn’t believe in sending baby to nursery anyway he said it should be looked after by family not strangers. That was his views.

The lodger was paying the mortgage payments & then some! Mortgage payments were very low just the interest. And yeah I just shared his room with him as a roommate - yes he was my partner but he wanted me to pay proper rent something like £350 as if I was paying half of the room with him. Which would mean profit for him just going into his personal bank account. And his lodger was paying £750.
I said to him obviously I will contribute the food, bills etc but I think extra money from my job should be going to savings account for baby & stuff for both of us & our future - not just in his account.

The money I would have paid wasn’t going into mortgage, just his income so he had less pressure to work a proper job.

I wasn’t earning very much like I said £16000 a year and I wanted to save for the baby. My maternity pay paid for most of our baby stuff - clothes, cot, pram etc. He didn’t pay everything. Except the fact that he managed to get a mortgage on a 2 bed flat, with his Mother’s name and his Mother’s equity put a roof over our heads.

Yes I did have a baby with him. She is now 4. She is the most amazing little girl. I left him when she was 1 year old as he was verbally, psychologically, emotionally & physically abusive to me which started when I was pregnant. He abused me in front of her. Once the baby came he was so stressed because lodger had to move out and he had to be breadwinner - he couldn’t cope with working full time as it turned out he had bipolar & addition to weed.

Yes I learned my lesson from making bad choices when I was 23 ... I ignored red flags, I lied to myself, I wanted the fantasy love relationship that he seemed to give me at the beginning, always trying to get back to that. He made a good show of seeming stable at the beginning. And I did want a baby with him, and a life with him.. I loved him. Then he turned into Jekyll and Hyde.

When DD was 4 months old he started pressuring me to get a job and let him and his Mother look after the baby. But DD wouldn’t even take a bottle and I had not even had time to establish a career to “go back to”. He wanted me to go out to work to take pressure off him so he could be SAHD and give baby to his Mum when it got stressful.

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HeckyPeck · 01/09/2018 20:03

Sorry he was such a vile shit OP.

I’m really pleased you managed to escape him.

Falulah · 01/09/2018 20:10

Thanks HeckyPeck ... to the people saying sex and babies aren’t currency... yuk. Gosh.. you really think that was what I was suggesting ? When you set up home together and one partner stops working to carry your child & be a stay at home Mum... they are hugely sacrificing and limiting their own personal finances and career - you have to work together as a team right ? A man providing for his family... is that not ok ? Should I have charged him childcare then once baby came... and he give me salary for 24 on call nanny 7 days a week ? Then I pay him rent out of that? Ok! That would be better I’d have had loads of spare money then !! But he could never have afforded that! I never said I wouldn’t contribute. When I was working, I said I would pay half of food shops, bills, buy stuff for house, paid half of furniture when we needed a new sofa for example. I also said I would put money into savings account for baby, holidays, house improvements for our future. He didn’t want this. And the lodger paid mortgage. So... he wanted to get extra profit for his personal bank account with no mention of future really. He wouldn’t have been able to charge a lodger £350 to share his room with him.... and he didn’t have the expense of having to pay for his room anyway! If that makes sense.

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Thatsfuckingshit · 01/09/2018 20:19

OP you never mentioned being a stay at home mum or even that there was actually a baby.

If you both decided for you to give up work then, yes he was being unreasonable to expect you to pay rent. But before that, no he wasn't.

I can list all the bad choices you made such as giving financial independence while not being married or having your name on the house. But you know and probably won't do it again.

But I stand by what I said. Until you had given up work, you should have paid.

fiercelikefrida · 01/09/2018 20:23

The mortgage was paid though by the lodger. She said she was happy to pay towards bills and food... why would she pay rent?

Lauren83 · 01/09/2018 20:27

I haven't read the full thread so sorry if there's more to it but I was renting and DP owned a couple of houses one he lived in alone but occasionally had friends 'lodge' when they were stuck, I moved in when his friend moved out and I started paying £350 towards his mortgage and half of all the food shopping, we then had a baby and once the baby was here I started paying half the childcare and baby things and carried on paying half all the food but as he earns 4 times what I do I don't pay towards the mortgage now the baby is here. He spent years saving for a deposit for this house and furnished it so I don't think it would be fair I moved in without paying. I don't think it's fair you can talk about paying towards a baby in lieu of rent when there wasn't one yet

HeckyPeck · 01/09/2018 20:28

People have some odd views on here (and some like to stick the boot in) don’t take it to heart OP.

Redglitter · 01/09/2018 20:35

A man providing for his family... is that not ok ? Should I have charged him childcare then once baby came

Did you actually have a baby with him & give up work though or is this a hypothetical situation.

Kaznet · 01/09/2018 20:52

He sounds like a manbaby trying to figure out ways to do as little as possible.
Asking you to pay half what he pays (if you were living there all the time and weren't paying for your own apartment) fine. But he wasn't paying anything. So what was he going to use your money for weed?
Sounds like things just got worse when the baby came so it's good you got out.
Don't beat yourself up about it. You were young.

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