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Was this abuse, is this normal, did i cause it? Totally lost.

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lizzedays · 31/08/2018 19:24

Hi. I've posted a few times recently as i have been struggling with some stuff. i am getting better slightly and appreciate the mumsnet support - thank you.

ive been thinking about my past relationship as i said something to a girlfriend yesterday completely in passing and her reaction was that my partner was controlling. i keep going over it all and just wanted some objective views on it. i know it isnt good to constantly go over stuff like this, but i am feeling really conflicted about it all. these are some examples of what went on:

  • on the beach and he asks if i am going to take my bikini top off. i say no. he says other people have (one other had). i said i felt uncomfortable. he said go on. i said no and tried to go back to reading my book. he stopped talking and seemed to be in a mood, although he didnt say anything. an hour later he suggests we go in the sea. he asks me to take my top off in the sea and gets annoyed when i say i dont want to. i then give in.
  • we go to the beach for the day and he asks why i havent packed my make up because we were stopping at a nice bar on the way back. i said i didnt feel like wearing make up on the beach or taking it with me in the heat. he said "dont you want to look nice in the bar?" I then asked if he was suggesting i didnt look ok without make up. he immediately reared up and said i was sensitive, dramatic and causing an argument and that he was "only trying to help." i then got upset at his reaction and he says "here come the waterworks."
  • he offered to pay for a fake tan and wax for me. i said i didnt want a fake tan and would go for a wax but didnt want it all off. he then said most women would and he would like that. i said do you not like me as i am and as above, he then calls me sensitive and a drama queen looking for an argument. i try to explain that i just feel like he doesnt think i am good enough, he then calls me insecure and says he doesnt care what i do or whether i have a wax, and that he is just telling me his preference. this happened on repeated occasions.
  • asked me why i dont have a specific type of bag that "most girls have and like." i had no idea what he was talking about and that seemed to make him see me as someone who wasnt as womanly as he wanted. (im really girlie and into handbags but was quite happy with the one i had!).
  • would pressure me into not using condoms because it felt better. i understood he felt this way and he would sometimes use condoms but always made a point that it wasnt as good with them as without. i know that is a man thing and he was right about the feeling but he always made a big deal out of it.
  • if we ever argued he would suddenly give me silent treatment and act like i didnt exist, quite literally. i could be crying in front of him and he would say i was pathetic and not tell me why he wasn't speaking. this could sometimes happen out of the blue if he was upset with something at work etc.
  • when we were away once, we had a drink then walked past a hat shop. he told me i looked great in a hat. the following night we walked past another similar shop and i went in and was trying them on, he said "come on let's go, you look shit in a hat." this was said in a joking tone, and when i said that's not very nice, did you mean that, he said ffs of course i didnt, i told you yesterday you looked great in one. maybe thats me being sensitive.
  • i had a leak in my house and i was worried about what had happened to the flooring. he said he was sick of talking about it and that if he deems something not important/not an issue then he doesnt engage with someone about the issue. i said what if its something im worried about though - he said if he thinks it is nothing then he cant be arsed and that was just how he was. he seemed unhappy generally that day so maybe he didnt mean that and was just having a bad day.
  • never apologised for anything ever. used to say his mum never apologised to his dad, this was apparently something to be proud of.

in the end i had so much resentment because if i ever questioned him on things he had said, he would instantly call me insecure, a drama queen and sensitive and tell me i was causing an argument. i definitely did get upset now and then, and looking back, if i had said nothing and just let these things go then we wouldnt have argued about such things. that is just a fact. and it makes me wonder if i do have issues where i am sensitive and a drama queen. there were times when i definitely did question him and how he felt, based on the little criticisms he made (at least i felt like he was being critical, and maybe he wasnt at all). i feel so confused by it all.

add to all of it, he did some lovely things. bought me things and was generous, could be comforting at times if he wanted to be. it makes me think it was therefore down to me. if i hadnt reacted to anything and just taken his comments as him trying to help, then we wouldnt have argued.

head is in a spin. need some brutal, honest advice so i know where i am going wrong in future.

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crunchtime · 31/08/2018 19:29

He sounds horrible. Consider yourself well rid.

Livinglavidal0ca · 31/08/2018 19:29

He sounds absolutely vile. I am very pleased for you that he is now an ex. Sounds like he treated you as his own little doll, trying to mould you into something you aren't for his own pleasure. If you're really still thinking about this, I think it's best you go and see if you can have some councillor, someone to talk it all through with and help you realise it isn't your fault he was this way. No amount of strangers on Mumsnet can help you realise this quickly, it might take some time, and you'll always have a counter argument "but what if I didn't do this" etc, but ultimately, none of the things you've mentioned are you being over sensitive in any way shape or form. Look after yourself, know your worth and enjoy your new found freedom. Flowers

lizzedays · 31/08/2018 19:31

he wasnt awful though, he could be really nice. and thats what is fucking me up so much.

i got so upset with him sometimes, i just wanted him to accept me as i was. but i dont think he was a bad man, he meant well i think.

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lizzedays · 31/08/2018 19:32

he could be thoughtful and planned nice things for us. he just wasnt brilliant with emotional support i dont think, but maybe that was because i was being too sensitive about everything.

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ChiaraRimini · 31/08/2018 19:35

@lizzedays if he was a good man he would have accepted you as you are and not tried to hassle you to go topless, wear makeup, remove all your pubic hair etc. He was a controlling nasty piece of work and you did well to get away from him. X

crunchtime · 31/08/2018 19:36

If a female friend was like this with you, would you think she was a good friend?

dirtybadger · 31/08/2018 19:36

Well if any friend of mine had a boyfriend or partner like that I wouldn't be impressed Hmm your friend is right.

NotTakenUsername · 31/08/2018 19:36

Some of those things were abusive but most were just rude.

You are well rid.

dirtybadger · 31/08/2018 19:40

Being nice and thoughtful sometimes misses the point. Most people who are abusive are nice at least some of the time, possibly most of the time. It doesn't make up for it.

Babdoc · 31/08/2018 19:42

OP, he was following the standard script for all abusers. Control you, undermine you, blame you for being “sensitive”, gaslight you, then turn on the charm to reel you back in if he thinks you’re beginning to see through him or might leave.
This is classic abuse and you are well rid of him. Don’t waste another moment’s thought on him, except as a warning of the type of man to avoid in future.

ScattyCharly · 31/08/2018 19:43

Total piece of shit.

They get away with it because of the nice stuff they do in between the shit stuff.

lizzedays · 31/08/2018 19:45

im not perfect though and i am sure i had my flaws and could be difficult. i just feel like my self esteem is very low and i just never felt i could be myself around him.

he would sometimes say really nice and supportive things to me and i clung on to those moments. i feel so confused by it all.

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Melliegrantfirstlady · 31/08/2018 19:47

How did the relationship end?

0hCrepe · 31/08/2018 19:47

He’s a pig who only wanted you as a trophy. He didn’t care about your thoughts at all.

RandomMess · 31/08/2018 19:49

He was vile!!

He didn't like/love you for you and tried to change you into someone you weren't.

Glad you escaped!

benjaminbuttonschild · 31/08/2018 19:49

Sounds like a negging little insecure twat to me. You're well shot of him.

QueenAravisOfArchenland · 31/08/2018 19:51

He is a classic abuser. What you are describing is textbook abusive and controlling behaviour. All abusers can be really nice and kind sometimes, it's how they hook you initially and a key part of messing with your head. You are not oversensitive or a drama queen at all.

Please consider reading Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft and doing the Freedom Programme online. It will help you recognise and deal with what happened to you. And take a break from men for a while - you are vulnerable and beaten down and would be at risk of attracting another abuser right now. Good luck Flowers

spottybetty · 31/08/2018 19:53

That's how these guys work. If they were horrible all the time, nobody would ever stay with them, so they're lovely first, reel you in, then they're horrible, pretend you overreacted and you're wrong, get you on the back foot and insecure, get you worrying and treading on eggshells, then they're nice again and boom - the cycle repeats itself.

YANBU. He sounds horrible, controlling, gaslighting. Wonder what would have happend if you're tried to change him or made him wax and fake tan.... You're well rid!!

benjaminbuttonschild · 31/08/2018 19:59

im not perfect though and i am sure i had my flaws and could be difficult. i just feel like my self esteem is very low and i just never felt i could be myself around him.

These type of comments always stand out like a sore thumb to me on similar threads.

OP, in the nicest possible way intended, so you think he's sat on a forum somewhere or talking to friends questioning himself and his treatment of you. Do you think he's chewing the fat with a friend and saying, "I know I could be spiteful towards Lizzedays. I know I put her down sometimes and made her feel insecure. What if I'd have done x, y and z instead? Maybe we'd still be together."

He won't be. He's a lowlife who saw you as his property and not his partner. You stuck up for yourself, you told him your boundaries and the majority of the time you stuck to them. That doesn't make you sensitive or a drama queen. It makes you a strong person who knows yourself. He was the weak one. He was the insecure one. It took making you feel like shit to make him feel better.

Kudos to your friend, make sure you can confide in them. Welcome to the start of the rest of your life. Chalk this one up to experience and find somebody worthy of you ThanksCake

shadypines · 31/08/2018 20:01

He made you feel confused, upset and insecure , you are indeed well rid of this man. It's easy for a man like this to deflecte his own nastiness by saying 'drama queen' etc. From what you say you were anything but a drama queen and had a valid reason to question him and feel upset! I am very glad to hear you got away from him.

shadypines · 31/08/2018 20:04

Spotty and Benjamin your posts fab, well said.

Defecte? should be deflect in my above post.

starbrightlight · 31/08/2018 20:13

He wanted a trophy to bolster his own diminished self esteem. You are a real person and sound lovely. You deserve someone who loves you for just being you. You have a wonderful life ahead of you now, forget him and be thankful it's over. Good luck.

IndigoLamp · 31/08/2018 20:24

Yes he was controlling and emotionally abusive. The ‘nice’ things he did were also part of the cycle of abuse. As PP said read Lundy Bancroft ‘Why does he do that?’ and do the Freedom Programme (you can do this online). You won’t be confused after this. You will understand all of his behaviour and stop questioning your own. You will re-examine all of your past friendships and relationships and it will help you raise your self esteem. You will learn to recognise and walk away from abusive people and have a happier life.

Falulah · 31/08/2018 20:26

I agree with all previous posters - my ex was like this - Jekyll & Hyde. They breadcrumb you with bit of affection and comfort - mostly they are pretending as they have no capacity of real empathy they are just acting how they have seen on TV women like men to act. But really are devaluing you to keep you dependent on them and you hang on waiting for them to turn nice again. They gaslight you to make you think you are being over sensitive and that the problem lies with you. Classic abuse victim ends up asking questions like "If I had just not nagged him/not stood up for myself/not made a big deal" then maybe he wouldn't have......" and making excuses for him like "He was a bit moody that day anyway so maybe I should have just not said anything / maybe that's why he was mean". I have made all these excuses. I have thought all of these thoughts about myself - I was a victim of abuse as well and I was brainwashed and my self esteem was eroded - it is a systematic - sometimes unconscious way of retaining control over your partner's emotions and getting a kick out of knowing they are dependent on you and feeding off their reactions - negative ones. Feeling glee inside that he can control you and is getting to you. Makes him feel good about himself. Narcissistic abuse. Subtle..powerful...soul destroying. Cut off all contact with this man- don't look back - work on your self esteem - do the Freedom Programme or speak to Women's Aid about emotional & psychological abuse and gaslighting. Come to terms and accept that this is what was happening to you. And it will have had a psychological effect on you.

I know what you're thinking..."well it's not as bad as physical abuse..." "at least he didn't..." "Im not perfect either, i can be difficult, i did push his buttons...if I hadn't have argued with him ...."

Maybe good to join a support group and speak to other women who've been through this eg Freedom Programme to come to terms with this...this was not a healthy relationship. No matter how nice he could be sometimes. It's like you're a frog in a pan of boiling water...once you realise you need to jump out - it's too late. It just gets hotter and hotter...you lose all perspective of what is normal in a relationship and you end up feeling and alot of guilt, shame, regret, and feeling like it's your fault maybe somehow. It isn't. 3 years on I still find myself questioning sometimes. But it was always him. I even found an ex of his on Facebook and discussed with her - low and behold she had experienced the same even though he always told me "Well I've never had this problem with any of my other girlfriends, it's you pushing my buttons that brings this temper out in me, it's something about me and you that is not right, If only you hadn't...x,y,z..... I've never lost my temper with any other girlfriend before...it's you that's making me stressed/bipolar/addicted/angry" ........ Good luck and sending love xxx

lizzedays · 31/08/2018 20:28

thank you for the posts - i am really struggling with all of this.

i want to be objective as much as i can be, as i can be difficult. i probably sometimes overreacted to some of the comments rather than just calmly asking why he said them. i can be emotional too i think.

he has made me feel like an insecure mess. before i met him i had confidence in my looks (im not at all model material but i liked how i looked). i had confidence in myself. that confidence is still there except i wonder whether i am a bit shit in relationships so it has made me question myself there.

i ended up being very insecure around him which was the irony. i just never felt content.

in answer to the above, it ended because he said he wanted to see me with no obligation as he had issues he wanted to address (i.e. losing weight and focusing on career and dealing with litigation over his house with an ex partner). i said that no obligation made me feel like shit and he said there i was again causing drama and if i didnt like it then that was that.

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