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How can a man (me) approach his partner about PMS

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Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 00:11

Hi everybody. I have seen some great advice on this forum, we used it a lot when my son (now 7) was born, but this one is slightly different, and hopefully somebody can help me.

I will really try and be as sensitive as I can, I don’t want I get flamed on here. I appreciate that I could never comprehend what it is like to have hormones everywhere, but unfortunately I feel like my situation is spiralling further and further out of control.

My partner (26F) can be very stubborn, as can I, especially in an argument. 99% of the time we get on great, buy an argument can really take it out of both of us as we are both to proud to take any responsibility at the time. I am always the one to admit fault (even when I do not think I was necessarily in the wrong) just to get the argument finished. The problem then is I am sort of left having to work hard for a couple of weeks to get the relationship going on all burners again. I suppose it’s better than the alternative, because I do think the world of her, but it is starting to wear me down.

To get back onto my point, these arguments (over nothing but can go on a few days) tend to crop up around the time of my partners period. I am generally very laid back, but I have found myself putting in extra effort around this time to give a wider berth. Again, please let me stress, I do not envy anyone who has to go through this. But it’s starting to have an effect on me, that I can’t really ignore any more, as I’m my view it can become slightly bullying behaviour.

The latest example is this. We were out walking the dog with some friends. I didn’t realise my SO had the dog on the lead, and I, without thinking, threw a ball for him. He’s quite a big dog, and unfortunately pulled my partner to the ground quite hard. I didn’t realise what had really happened at first, but I instantly ran over and helped her up and made sure she was ok. I apologised as I really felt terrible, but this was met with a furious outburst, which ended up with me being punched, with moderate/hard force to my neck/collar bone area. I could see I had made a mistake and I did apologise, I genuinely felt terrible, but I did calmly say that I didn’t think that it was an acceptable reaction, especially in front of friends, although I can see why she did it to a certain extent?

Anyway, we continued walking, and admittedly, I was in a bit of a huff. I didn’t say anything, but I think this was the problem. We stopped after a minute or so, and my partner started yelling at me saying “I was in another one of my moods” , “This is why I hate you” , “I don’t want to be with you if you’re going to be like this” , “I’m ashamed to bring you out with my friends” and also started waiving the car keys at me and telling me to go and wait in the car, I felt really humiliated, but I could see she was really upset, as she was crying, so I continued to not say anything.

Fast forward, we make it to our destination, and as our friends got drinks, she learnt over to me and nicely asked if we could forget it. For the sake of not embarrassing ourselves in front of friends, the day sort of returned to normality.

Next day, we wake up, and I admittedly was in a bit of a huff. My partner was in a great mood and acting like nothing happened. I tried to reciprocate this, but I genuinely felt quite hurt about what had happened, and then later in the morning voiced my concerns. At this point, I should probably say, I really wish I had just forgotten about the whole thing and just moved on, I think this is something I definitely have to work on to avoid situations like this in the future.

This is when the * hit the fan unfortunately! She has essentially broken up with me, but is putting all of the blame on me. I understand I was clumsy to throw the ball without checking if the dog was on a lead. But I have been met with threats to break up with me, comments like “I’m ashamed of myself for staying with you if you keep going in these moods” “I’m sick of the person you’ve become with your relationship ruining moods” “I’ve lost all my trust in you” “my friends think you’re crazy” “this is why you have no friends” (this is the worst one as I am sensitive to the fact that I haven’t got any close friends, mainly due to me devoting most of my time to my partner). I have somehow now become the one feeling like I have to apologise. The only thing that she seems to care about is me being in a “mood”.

I have tried to explain that after a scenario like that, I don’t really feel like talking. Apart from not talking my behaviour is totally normal, as in I don’t start slamming things about or anything like that.

I’m so sorry this is the worlds longest post. But I am terrified of how to approach this subject. As I mentioned earlier, it’s not a negative trait in particular, but she is very stubborn, and never takes responsibility for anything (as in it’s always someone else’s fault) should I just give an even wider berth in the future (as this sort of thing is happening almost monthly) or is it best to approach her about it. If so, what would be the best way to word it, without coming across insensitive, rude or ignorant?

Thanks for enduring if you have made it this far.

OP posts:
Longtalljosie · 14/08/2018 08:22

This thread is appalling.

Anon - leave. You have no kids yet. You don’t want them exposed to this. Even one instance of domestic violence is the end of a relationship and you tell us there’s been more than one.

I think you’re bargaining with yourself that PMT is to blame rather than her. As others have said, PMT makes you crabby and / or tearful. It’s not an excuse to hit someone. It’s not your fault and you cannot stop it. Move out ASAP for your own safety.

heartsease68 · 14/08/2018 08:26

You should leave because she is violent. No question.

I would tell her you've noticed her abusive behavior is cyclical. Otherwise she can't know. If she wants to get treatment and is really fine the rest of the time, it's possible you could stay with counselling.

Dwayna · 14/08/2018 08:26

I am not for a second excusing your wife's behaviour; hitting someone is never okay no matter what is going on in your head. From what you describe your wife seems to have a severe response to her cycle each month, do you think she may have PMDD? www.mind.org.uk/information-support/types-of-mental-health-problems/premenstrual-dysphoric-disorder-pmdd/

It took a long time to figure out what was happening when I developed pmdd after my son was born, a lot of GPs haven't heard of it. HOWEVER, when I have an episode of PMDD I tend to turn it inward; get depressed, feel hopeless and hate myself. Different people react differently though and I've heard of some women turn it outwards: becoming more irritable and angry and lashing out. Still not condoning her violence one bit - if this is the case she needs to seek help, for the sake of herself and her family.

If it is PMDD she needs medical help. There is medication she can try which will help take the edge off her feelings at the time of the month. Its a long process but the first step is getting a diagnosis and identifying the problem.

PMDD can be triggered after having a child-which is what jumped out at me from your op as well.

I may be completely off the mark of course, I just wanted to share what I have been through. If your wife does have this she can get help, it's a long road to recovery but the support is out there.

heartsease68 · 14/08/2018 08:28

Pmt is certainly not an excuse but it could be the reason. Women have been wrongly diagnosed as psychotic because of it.

catkind · 14/08/2018 08:31

Whoah, this is all wrong. You should not be being hit in a relationship. I don't think you should be describing your own behaviour as "sulky" or "huffy" if you remain upset about a very serious incident that happened the previous day. You have every right to be upset.
I don't honestly see a future in talking this out. But if you do, talk about how she treats you. Blaming PMS is both excusing the inexcusable and kind of rude saying she's not in control of her own behaviour. She is.

DownTownAbbey · 14/08/2018 08:31

She's abusing you. You are the victim of domestic violence.

I get appalling pms and I've never hit anyone. I also know that I'm hormonal. She must know but doesn't care because her punch bag hasn't left yet.

You say you've concentrated on your partner at the time expense of your friendships. Never a good idea.

ElspethFlashman · 14/08/2018 08:38

OP, look at this thread that's running at the moment :

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3333352-this-wasn-t-flirting-help-i-need-some-perspective

It starts out about jealousy, which you don't say she has, but keep reading. It's more about how the poster doesn't know what "rules" to follow to avoid an argument, or to end an argument. Ends up apologising just to stop the haranguing.

In an emotionally abusive relationship every reaction is wrong. If you defend yourself you're the bad guy, if you say sorry its obviously insincere, if you say nothing you're sulking. The attacks just keep coming and you are having a nervous breakdown trying to figure out the exact combination of words and facial expression to make them calm down and forget about it.

This my coincide with her period, but only in the same way as a man's abuse might coincide with him having a skinful in the pub. It just let's out what's inside.

All your language is exactly the same as the poster in the above thread "I shouldn't have...." "I should...." "I need to....."

Whereas they are the ones who shouldn't, who should, who needs to.

Counselling is not recommended in these situations. But I would urge you to have personal counselling to get it all out and make sense of it in a private environment, particularly if you have become a bit isolated.

HumpHumpWhale · 14/08/2018 08:39

I clicked on this because I have awful PMS myself and get really weepy, emotional, angry, and get awful headaches and insomnia. (I recently got the mirena coil, hoping it helps, if not, I'll go back on the pill.) Anyway. I do behave badly at times but a) I'm always filled with remorse and b) I've NEVER assaulted anyone.
Leave her.

ElspethFlashman · 14/08/2018 08:40

longtalljosie there is a 7 year old.

God knows what they're overhearing.

hellsbellsmelons · 14/08/2018 08:44

I am now left in a position where “I have lost all of her trust” and I’ll really have to work to get it back
What?
How have you lost her trust exactly?
She's abusive. Physically and emotionally.
Stop pandering to her.
Honestly, it will just keep knocking your self-esteem as you beg and plead for her 'forgiveness'
For what?

It's another way for her to put you down.
As she does regularly.
As shown by your very low self-esteem.
This is your chance to be free of abuse.
Please take it.

Are you still going to continue with this argument?
You - No, this is not an argument. I made a mistake. I apologised. You phycially assaulted me. There is no place in my life for abuse and this relationship is now over.

Please take back control of your life.
This is not how it's supposed to be.
Life is short. It can be very short. Do not live it being abused and put down.

Get out there. Join a few clubs, the gym, a walking group. Anything.
Just get yourself a life that is not reliant on one single person.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 14/08/2018 08:45

Text her back. ‘I’m struggling to process what’s happened. You hit me and I’d like an apology for that’

Move on. Get some mates. Invest in you’re own friendships.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 14/08/2018 08:46

You need to have a life of your own. gym. Hobbies. Friends.

hellsbellsmelons · 14/08/2018 08:48

Yes Elspeth but that 7 YO is not the OP's partners child.
The DC is from his previous relationship.
So they don't have kids together. From what I can gather anyway?
They are not married.

OP - what is your living situation?
Do you own the house together?
Rent?
Will it be easy to sever all ties to her?

ElspethFlashman · 14/08/2018 09:37

Oh really? I misunderstood then.

Mangoo · 14/08/2018 10:14

This is horrible OP. It's never okay to hit or act violently towards your other half (or anyone!). You said in one of your other posts that this isn't the first time either.

Regardless of any faults you may have (we all have them), there is never an excuse.

Would you have layed a finger on her if things had been the other way around? I bet not. You'd have been hung drawn and quartered if you had.

Sometimes its not seen the same when men are the ones being physically abused but it is!

Get out. It's unacceptable.

Mangoo · 14/08/2018 10:15

And that's just the physical side. She sounds emotionally abusive too which can be just as damaging mentally.

RavenWings · 14/08/2018 10:22

Man hits woman: leave!
Woman hits man: well you do sound sulky

I noticed that too, it's disgusting. You'd never see that to a woman OP ime. It's not sulking, it's retreating into a defensive shell as a result of what this abusive horror is putting him through.

LoisWilkerson1 · 14/08/2018 10:23

You weren't sulking! You were keeping your distance from someone who assaulted you. Get out this relationship.

TooTrueToBeGood · 14/08/2018 10:31

OP, as others have said, this has all the hallmarks of an abusive relationship and you are the victim. Please process that, then consider your options. In my experience, hoping to fix an abuser is a fool's errand and will only lead to you continuing to deplete what self-esteem you have left as you repeatedly try and fail not to antagonise your abuser. It's not what you do that is the root cause, it is their compulsion to punish and demean you.

Please seriously consider getting out. What exactly have you got to stay for?

Jamboree05 · 14/08/2018 10:36

This is 100% not right. She should not be hitting from you. Violence in a relationship is abuse and unacceptable. Period.

I have horrendous PMT and my partner can guess when I'm due on, to the day, every single month without fail. I have never ever hit him though, and would never do such a thing.

Myself and my partner HAVE had successful conversations regarding how my PMT affects my moods and my tendacy to be more snappy and argumentative around my period, but I was open to having these conversation and listened. I am now much more aware of my behaviour around this time and actively try and avoid being a twat.

Your wife, however, does not sound like she would even be open to this kind of a conversation. She sounds like she has you walking on egg shells, and even in everyday life (when PMT is not a factor) refuses to accept responsibility for her actions.

As PPs have said, leave. Tell her the reason you are leaving and be blunt. Do not be afraid to tell her she is a bully, physical violence is abuse and her constant making you feel like it's your fault is gaslighting.

Frankly, this might be the only way to get through to her...

vivalafrida · 14/08/2018 10:37

There are several red flags in your post.

  1. She hit you.
  2. She has isolated you from your friends.
  3. You're scared of her.

That's no way to live. Your partner is abusive and you need to leave her.

I'm sorry you're going through this.

Racecardriver · 14/08/2018 10:44

It sounds like PMD. I know a woman who is lovely most of the time who goes absolutely psychotic on certain days of her cycle. She then forgets all about it. The thing you have to understand is that this is nobody's fault. You really haven't done anything wrong and she really, really isn't in control. In your place I would just track her periods to figure out when her bad days are and make sure that you font see her on these days. Or you could suggest that she seeks help from her doctor but she may not like this suggestion. It will also be quite difficult. Most doctors don't take PMD seriously and there isn't much on offer by way of treatments anyway.

Nesssie · 14/08/2018 10:46

I get horrendous PMS, I'm a bitch, snappy, emotional, angry, short tempered etc BUT I have never hit anyone.
Not even when my DP was mucking around and dropped a hammer on me and broke my fucking foot... And that was less of an accident than your ball/dog incident.

Can't believe people are using your 'sulking' as an excuse.
Get out now, she isn't right -in the head- for you.

Racecardriver · 14/08/2018 10:46

Just noticed that you don't have children. I revise my advice to run. Get the fuck out. This will only get a thousand times worse when you have children.

SilverHairedCat · 14/08/2018 10:47

You are in a physically abusive relationship.
Your DP assaults you.
She assaulted you in public.
She assaulted you in front of your friends.
What does she do behind closed doors?
Do you want your son to see this?
Has he seen this before?
Do you want him to grow up thinking it's normal and OK for parents to punch each other? Because it's not.

Please look at this : www.mankind.org.uk/ for more information from a male perspective

What she is doing is NOT OK.

Anyone here justifying her actions should be bloody ashamed of themselves.

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