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How can a man (me) approach his partner about PMS

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Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 00:11

Hi everybody. I have seen some great advice on this forum, we used it a lot when my son (now 7) was born, but this one is slightly different, and hopefully somebody can help me.

I will really try and be as sensitive as I can, I don’t want I get flamed on here. I appreciate that I could never comprehend what it is like to have hormones everywhere, but unfortunately I feel like my situation is spiralling further and further out of control.

My partner (26F) can be very stubborn, as can I, especially in an argument. 99% of the time we get on great, buy an argument can really take it out of both of us as we are both to proud to take any responsibility at the time. I am always the one to admit fault (even when I do not think I was necessarily in the wrong) just to get the argument finished. The problem then is I am sort of left having to work hard for a couple of weeks to get the relationship going on all burners again. I suppose it’s better than the alternative, because I do think the world of her, but it is starting to wear me down.

To get back onto my point, these arguments (over nothing but can go on a few days) tend to crop up around the time of my partners period. I am generally very laid back, but I have found myself putting in extra effort around this time to give a wider berth. Again, please let me stress, I do not envy anyone who has to go through this. But it’s starting to have an effect on me, that I can’t really ignore any more, as I’m my view it can become slightly bullying behaviour.

The latest example is this. We were out walking the dog with some friends. I didn’t realise my SO had the dog on the lead, and I, without thinking, threw a ball for him. He’s quite a big dog, and unfortunately pulled my partner to the ground quite hard. I didn’t realise what had really happened at first, but I instantly ran over and helped her up and made sure she was ok. I apologised as I really felt terrible, but this was met with a furious outburst, which ended up with me being punched, with moderate/hard force to my neck/collar bone area. I could see I had made a mistake and I did apologise, I genuinely felt terrible, but I did calmly say that I didn’t think that it was an acceptable reaction, especially in front of friends, although I can see why she did it to a certain extent?

Anyway, we continued walking, and admittedly, I was in a bit of a huff. I didn’t say anything, but I think this was the problem. We stopped after a minute or so, and my partner started yelling at me saying “I was in another one of my moods” , “This is why I hate you” , “I don’t want to be with you if you’re going to be like this” , “I’m ashamed to bring you out with my friends” and also started waiving the car keys at me and telling me to go and wait in the car, I felt really humiliated, but I could see she was really upset, as she was crying, so I continued to not say anything.

Fast forward, we make it to our destination, and as our friends got drinks, she learnt over to me and nicely asked if we could forget it. For the sake of not embarrassing ourselves in front of friends, the day sort of returned to normality.

Next day, we wake up, and I admittedly was in a bit of a huff. My partner was in a great mood and acting like nothing happened. I tried to reciprocate this, but I genuinely felt quite hurt about what had happened, and then later in the morning voiced my concerns. At this point, I should probably say, I really wish I had just forgotten about the whole thing and just moved on, I think this is something I definitely have to work on to avoid situations like this in the future.

This is when the * hit the fan unfortunately! She has essentially broken up with me, but is putting all of the blame on me. I understand I was clumsy to throw the ball without checking if the dog was on a lead. But I have been met with threats to break up with me, comments like “I’m ashamed of myself for staying with you if you keep going in these moods” “I’m sick of the person you’ve become with your relationship ruining moods” “I’ve lost all my trust in you” “my friends think you’re crazy” “this is why you have no friends” (this is the worst one as I am sensitive to the fact that I haven’t got any close friends, mainly due to me devoting most of my time to my partner). I have somehow now become the one feeling like I have to apologise. The only thing that she seems to care about is me being in a “mood”.

I have tried to explain that after a scenario like that, I don’t really feel like talking. Apart from not talking my behaviour is totally normal, as in I don’t start slamming things about or anything like that.

I’m so sorry this is the worlds longest post. But I am terrified of how to approach this subject. As I mentioned earlier, it’s not a negative trait in particular, but she is very stubborn, and never takes responsibility for anything (as in it’s always someone else’s fault) should I just give an even wider berth in the future (as this sort of thing is happening almost monthly) or is it best to approach her about it. If so, what would be the best way to word it, without coming across insensitive, rude or ignorant?

Thanks for enduring if you have made it this far.

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Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 01:38

Mrstobe90 That really hits home. I really want to deny it and pretend everything is ok, but it’s really not nice hearing things like that. I have nobody to confide in. I barely speak to my family, I haven’t got any close friends, so I have nobody to ask, nobody to give another opinion (hence turning to the internet!) I generally just learn to swallow it and put it to the back of my mind.

She has got total control in every sense. I have never threatened to break up or anything, but I doubt it would have any effect. A few more comments spring to mind like “I was happy before I met you”, they are really hard to take, as honestly we can be absolutely brilliant, she refers to me as her best friend, there’s normally a great connection.

I am now left in a position where “I have lost all of her trust” and I’ll really have to work to get it back. I do think she wants the relationship to work

All this for throwing a ball eh!! I’m definitely holding the lead in future that’s one lesson I can take from this!

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Mrstobe90 · 14/08/2018 01:41

She has you running in circles for her.

You are expected to do all of the work and take all of the blame just so she can treat you like shit?
That's not ok! At all!

Please, have some self respect and walk away. You do not deserve to be treated like this and there is someone out there who is right for you and would treat you with the love and respect that you deserve.

Gretagumbo · 14/08/2018 01:46

Aa sack her off, she’s dreadful.

Pms is not an excuse - does she hit her boss or people in the supermarket at her time of the month? - doubt it.

Get custody of the dog

Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 01:47

POP you’re right, I guess I can only be fair and ask if there’s anything I can do to be less provocative (I am laid back about everything in life, I’ve never even raised my voice in an argument, but sulking is a crap move from me, even after being hit, I feel like it does further damage and I am definitely hoping to change that trait of mine) it looks like I’ve got some thinking to do about the viability of this whole relationship. I’m desperate to just reach out and suck up, but I’ve done it that many times it’s becoming pathetic, and making me feel worse. It will get used as ammo as well in the next argument, and it’s too late to deny it then as technically I’ve admitted it was my fault.

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hendricksy · 14/08/2018 01:52

She sounds like a horrible narcissist!! Just leave her, life is too short to be miserable .

MyRelationshipIsWeird · 14/08/2018 01:53

I guess I can only be fair and ask if there’s anything I can do to be less provocative that way madness lies. You can’t stop her from being aggressive, it will just be over something else next time.

The lesson you need to learn is NOT “I’ll hold the lead next time” or to try not to make her angry. She’s not the fucking hulk. She has a nasty temper and she needs space to sort it out. You say that SHE’s lost trust in YOU? It should really be the other way round. You’ll end up pussyfooting around trying not to upset her, wondering how you can stop her from saying abusive things to you.

No.

It’s not on you to fix her, it’s up to her to see how awful she’s being and sort it out herself, preferably for a future partner who hasn’t had the life squeezed out of them. You need to work on your self esteem as it sounds like she’s done a number on you. Could you afford some counselling?

Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 01:54

Gretagumbo That’s a very interesting angle. If I could pin point what I was doing to become the target all the time I’d address it. Ha the bloody dog! My arch nemesis now.

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Jaxtellerswife · 14/08/2018 01:55

Man hits woman: leave!
Woman hits man: well you do sound sulky Hmm

But yes, you should leave

BitOfFun · 14/08/2018 02:01

Relationships shouldn't be this difficult or traumatic. You can't reason with someone who hits you- just move on.

Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 02:08

MyRelationshipIsWeird

Rereading my posts, You’re definitely right. As much as I want it to work, and as much as I’d do anything to make it better, I’ve been painted into a corner.I bend over backwards and never ask for anything in return, but all the work I put in to this relationship, in her words, has been completely undermined by this argument to which she is now the victim. (She even days her friends agree with her, but she does the same to them just on a smaller scale, they can’t say anything against her).

I have no self esteem what so ever. Even a half arsed apology, a bit of reassurance that
I’ve just had a text reading “are you still continuing this argument?” Really dont know what to say for the best here. I think the relationship is worth giving another shot, on the basis that I have realised it can’t all be my fault, and it’s not fair that I get bullied into a corner essentially until I submit. So that if this does happen again in the future (I’m really going to try and diffuse anything before it goes too far) I can more than likely see that enough is enough, and maybe I’m not crazy after all

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Anon1221 · 14/08/2018 02:17

POPholditdown

Sorry missed your post on page 1. I agree I don’t think anyone deserves to be hit, I mean it wasn’t just a slap, it took the wind out of my chest and I’m not a small guy. I tried to play it down but ultimately was accused of going in a mood.

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User912 · 14/08/2018 02:41

The physical violence is NOT OK, and it is NOT OK to put up with it. You need to set some clear boundaries here OP - she needs to get help for her anger management issues, else this will just escalate. If you were a woman, we'd be telling to get help, and you do need help, you come across as totally on eggshells and just in all a bit bullied and worn down to be honest.

Sulking is a major childish behaviour that IS infuriating to deal with, I will say this much. It's not a healthy behaviour itself and I suspect you have communication issues that you too, need to seek help on. It's nigh on impossible to sort issues out with a sulker - it's also impossible to sort issues out with someone who uses physical violence.

As for bringing up how her PMS is effecting her, I actually don't get why women (as a woman myself) would have a problem with a partner making it known in a kind, non condescending way that her behaviour around this time is becoming out of control. You can easily tell her that what she is upset about during this time isn't irrational, and she should communicate about these things to you, but her actual behaviour during this time is irrational and she needs help with it.

Mind you, I say that as a woman with terrible PMS symptoms myself. Crying, aggressive behaviour (not physical violence though!) terrible irritability, along with genuine illness like flu symptoms etc. I am aware of my behaviour, although admittedly sometimes I don't always realise how irrational I am being until I have come out of the other side and reflect upon it, and then realise that it really is bad and likely to effect other people negatively (and yes I've sought help about it). I however, do not use as an excuse, but do also realise I feel very out of control during these times, and it's not a position I like being in. Your partner sounds very similar, and she needs to seek help for herself. There is no point skirting around the issue and not telling her it occurs around that time of the month - if she's going to seek help she needs to be able to convey the actual problem to her GP, and the problem you say happens at X time of month.

Mrstobe90 · 14/08/2018 02:47

Why is everyone focusing on the sulking?
If my husband hit me, I'd be sulking as well!

ILovePierceBrosnan · 14/08/2018 02:57

Sulking? It’s not sulking to react to being hit.

I go quiet when I’m upset. Sulking is choosing to ignore, choosing to be stony faced deliberately to hurt someone. You’ve described yourself as quiet whilst trying to digest the situation. That is not sulking. Stop sucking up blame.

You need to work on your self esteem.

If the tables were turned in this argument and you had hit her after being pulled over by the dog in an accident we’d be asking you to file a police report.

PMS is a red herring. Bin that red herring and focus on the fact that she is an abusive partner and for the sake of your child you need to make this split permanent.

BlueJava · 14/08/2018 03:01

Sorry OP but no one should be hitting you, that's not acceptable, whether she has PMS or not. She sounds pretty awful to you, although you do seem to have issues too. I'd be asking myself if I really wanted to stay? You've got that potentially every month for the next 30 years. I'd count myself out of that.

Wherearemymarbles · 14/08/2018 03:05

You dont seem to be listening. You need to leave.

She is your mistress and you are her slave. If you do anything she doesnt like, you have to grovel for weeks to make it better.
She didnt react when she thought her friend threw the ball would tell you all you need to know, if you stopped and listened...

If you really want to stay, and I cant see for the life of me why you would, move out for 5 days a month...

I bet the relationship is only ever good when its on her terms.

Zommum · 14/08/2018 03:08

Try couples counseling, and have a few sessions on your own.

Wherearemymarbles · 14/08/2018 03:17

Forgot you had a child, how is she with them? I also agree with a pp, have some councelling for yourself. It may well help you see your relationship for what it is - abusive.

HeadleyLamarr · 14/08/2018 03:52

There is no excuse for hitting you. She hasn't apologised for any of her behaviour. Nothing makes that OK. She is a bully and she isn't a good person to have around, especially as she has no interest in changing her behaviour. It can be hard to face up to, but this could be a new beginning for you and your son. This is your chance to make some new friends rather than focusing all your energy on an abusive partner. I am truly sorry this is happening to you, but now is the time to build your confidence and learn to like yourself rather than depending on a bully for happiness.

HeadleyLamarr · 14/08/2018 04:21

OP, I would also ask whether she has contributed to your isolation. Abusers want you to lose contact with friends and family. You may find you have more allies than you think once you step away.

Antiskeptic · 14/08/2018 07:28

Just re-reading your OP, she told you her friends think you're crazy. Don't believe that for a second! They witnessed her vile behaviour first hand - I know if she were a friend of mine, I would have been disgusted and horrified at HER behaviour, not yours.
Like a pp said, I think you would be surprised at the support and the sources of that support if you actually leave this toxic relationship for good. I'll bet your mutual friends will say you should have done it long before now.

Musti · 14/08/2018 07:59

She sounds abusive. I too get more sensitive during my period and things that normally don't worry me, do. I didn't realise this when I was younger, only since being in my mid 30s and noticing some if my friends becoming prickly around their period.

But what's worrying, apart from the physical abusive and gaslighting (it was am accident) is that you're walking on eggshells trying to not do anything that may lead to her taking offense. As you clearly say that she is never in the wrong, you'll never be able to preempt every situation that she may find worthy of an argument.

This is all very tiring and when you're good you probably feel very grateful so I'm wondering how good can it be?
I'd leave her and find someone who treats you the way you deserve because you sound lovely and caring.

Quimby · 14/08/2018 08:12

“An apology isn't real if you then continue to be huffy. ”

What if the genuine apology was greeted with domestic violence? Ok to be a little huffy then or is he not allowed becayse it will somehow retrospectively make the apology fake.

“You then walked off because she reacted to the accident and then brought it up the next day so you weren't owning what you had done”

*you then walked off because she reacted to an accident by punching you in the neck

This place sometimes

confusedmomm · 14/08/2018 08:17

I would walk away and start a new chapter without her.

Quimby · 14/08/2018 08:18

“So that if this does happen again in the future (I’m really going to try and diffuse anything before it goes too far) I can more than likely see that enough is enough, and maybe I’m not crazy after alL”

Don’t. Just leave.
She treats you like shit and is violent.

What you’ve described there is your new tactic is to walk on eggshells and then when she does this again you’ll find a reason why you didn’t manage the situation correctly to avoid her negative behaviour.
And the cycle will continue.
You altering your behaviour and being more subservient and her using you as an emotional and physical punch bag.
Fuck that, take your lucky escape and run