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Please tell my partner he’s not unreasonable!

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User70billion · 19/07/2018 23:25

I’ve name changed for this as its outing!

I’ll try not to drip feed so it may be long Grin but my partner is feeling very upset and would like some advice.

It’s a long complicated story but basically he lost his wife early last year, I’ve known them for a long time but lived in a different country, my ex husband also left me last year, and we then got together (nothing happened between us before this, there was no crossover)

His inlaws have always been controlling and they were always the peace keepers and avoided confrontation, and would try and do the right thing, and my partner is still like this. He wants what is best for his child and wants to keep contact for her.

He would never stop them seeing her (so long as she is happy) and unless we already have something on, would let them see her.

His SIL and FIL are being ok at the moment thankfully so they are having regular contact and are being civil (arranged by text though after an incident by them being threatening to him) he finds it difficult but accepts he wants it for his child so long as they aren’t affected.

His MIL always has been flaky and in and out, and her husband is an alcoholic, and can be temperamental with his texts.

DP has been civil throughout it, and doesn’t like the controlling behaviour but keeps things civil for the sake of his child. It’s been a special date recently so we did a cake, and have flowers and a card up in the house, and this weekend will take flowers up to the churchyard, we’ve talked a lot about it and shared memories (which we do anyway).

My partner had a text from step FIL asking if he had taken flowers up, and then one shortly after (within minutes) saying or was that too difficult a question Hmm and not in a nice way!

He replied saying what does that mean? And got an equally passive aggressive response, so just said we are doing our own thing. Got a reply saying well as long as it’s sorted. Nothing asking how they are doing or anything!

He has tried phoning them and texting them to arrange contact, gets no response then gets abusive phone calls from step FIL saying you need to call MIL, even though he has and doesn’t get a response.

He’s feeling really hurt tonight with the message and implying he doesn’t care when he does care deeply.

He’s worried he isn’t doing enough when what else can he do when he’s already called and text numerous times.

I don’t know what else he can do? He stood up to them more than usual tonight though and just didn’t respond like he normally would, just said we are doing our own thing rather than justify himself.

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shammy1b · 19/07/2018 23:41

i think they might be angry that he has moved onso quicklyto them and its their way of grieving.
Maybe he needs to go round face to face and have a long talk about what happened and how HE feels so they understand that he has lost someone special too and if anything arrange ( like you have done ) special dates to remember her that all the family can share.
It is hard and i feel for both you DP and inlaws too..good luck

alvinp · 19/07/2018 23:42

Tough one. It sounds like he is decent and honourable.

The hardest thing is to be a peacemaker. Not rising to the bait, keeping his communications civil and avoiding the temptation to hit back. That takes strength and courage.

Support him in that, avoid unnecessary communication with these people. Stay civil with them for his child's sake, but help him to focus on amd enjoy his life with you and his child, and stay positive. It will get better in time.

pog100 · 19/07/2018 23:44

Look, he doesn't owe them anything. They have no right of contact to their granddaughter, nor do they have any say in how he remembers his wife.
It's good to be kind to them, of course, and be civil but he seems to be getting nothing but hassle of he doesn't toe the line. Were they this controlling with their daughter,I wonder.
I think he has every right to reduce contact to a bare minimum and has no reason to appease them. No reason to feel guilty!

Arum51 · 20/07/2018 00:03

These people have experienced one of the worst things that can possibly happen to you - the death of your child. It is so unnatural, so painful, it isn't something you 'move on' from at any speed.

You and your partner got together, from the sound of it, well within a year of their child's death. While that may have been what was right for you, it would have been very, very painful for them. Of course they're going to feel that your partner doesn't care. And of course they are going to feel scared that they will lose contact with their grandchild, the only part of their child they have left. I'm sorry, but that's just human nature.

It may be irritating for you both, but some compassion wouldn't go amiss here. Your partner now has you. From her parent's perspective, their daughter has been quickly replaced in his life, and in their grandchild's life. For them, no-one will ever be able to replace her. It's been, what? Less than 18 months since she died? He's shacked himself, and his daughter, up with another woman. I'm not surprised at the sarky comment about the flowers, frankly. I'm sure it is a very mild version of what her dad actually feels.

These people are your partner's daughter's family. They are the link to her dead mother. Please don't make her lose them, it's totally unfair to her.

User70billion · 20/07/2018 00:07

Shammy1b he has tried the face to face thing and they just weren’t interested. He has never asked them to be accepting of us, and appreciates it’s difficult for them. He just wants what is best contact wise for the child and is happy to arrange this, but one minute they are talking to him and the
Next not, they are also like this at the moment with other family members so it’s not just him. He has tried inviting them to things but sometimes they just don’t show up, with no contact as to why.

Yes they were controlling with her too, she was constantly trying to keep the peace with everyone and they relied on this. They didn’t treat her well at all sadly, and are now taking it out on him instead.

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User70billion · 20/07/2018 00:16

He really wants to keep contact and will do, it’s a difficult situation for everyone and we completely understand it’s difficult for them, we are being civil and always will be. It’s been over 18 months and we didn’t just shack up together. He is trying to be sensitive to them and to arrange contact it’s just very difficult when he tries to do it and they don’t answer after he has been asked to ring, and he texts and asks and is ignored, then gets texts saying why hasn’t he arranged anything.

He will always be civil to them, and she sees her auntie and her mums dad, it’s the mums mum and her partner who ask to see her but then don’t reply. He absolutely wants to keep contact with them, but is finding it difficult.

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SandyY2K · 20/07/2018 00:39

Personally I would yell his step FIL he doesnt appreciate his text messages and if he can't be civil...he will not communicate with him.

I suspect he's not the type to do thst do... really I'd just block step FIL and say nothing.

If they are both controlling...I'd very likely just back away from them.

Marriage is till death do us part.

Arum51 · 20/07/2018 00:48

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Zommum · 20/07/2018 01:09

What a difficult situation. People deal with things differently, don't let other people make you feel bad about your relationship. I think your dp should write them a letter, open up about how he loved their daughter, and how wonderful she was. Say yes I have moved on but that doesn't mean he didn't love their daughter. He really wants them to be a big part of their grand daughters life, and how they need to work together to help her remember her lovely mum. A small part of the letter should mention them not getting along and how that is not in the best interest of their grand daughter.
Make sure it doesn't sound like they are being told off.
Hopefully they can be more understanding. All the best.

Orlandointhewilderness · 20/07/2018 01:12

cannot believe people are advocating blocking them! Poor, poor family. You must feel some compassion for them surely? it obviously is just to hard for them at the min and they ended up saying something.

VimFuego101 · 20/07/2018 01:38

They sound like they were difficult in laws even prior to their daughter's death, but I would step away when it comes to the anniversary (you say 'we' did a cake, cards, flowers) and let him and his daughter remember her mother together. I can't even imagine the thought of losing an adult child and then watching while their partner celebrates their ex-partners life with a new partner.

Arum51 · 20/07/2018 01:43

Orlandointhewilderness I've been really shocked at some of these responses here, and the total lack of consideration of the impact on the child. It's been a "special day" (presumably birthday or something) so wife's mum wanted to know if they'd put flowers on her daughter's grave. No, they hadn't, not even from the woman's child. The fact that mum and step FIL weren't happy about that doesn't make them bad people!

Zommum · 20/07/2018 01:46

Blocking them isn't the answer. Could you set a specific time, for example the first Sunday of the month, drop her off for the morning. Ask them not to contact unless it's about changing the visit time.

lunar1 · 20/07/2018 01:59

Is there a reason you need to be involved in any of this? I can't imagine the hurt they are going through right now. Then suddenly in the blink of an eye everything to do with their grandchild becomes 'we' with you and her dad.

Jus reading the wording of your post wound me up so I imagine they are on edge with everything as it is.

There is no need for you to be involved to such a degree in their daughters memorials.

eightfacesofthemoon · 20/07/2018 03:20

As much as they might have been nightmares
Their fucking child died not very long ago. If your child dies, why don’t you think about how long it will take to be normal.
Remember that

pissedonatrain · 20/07/2018 05:17

Just curious how long after her death did you two get together?

BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 05:32

"It’s been over 18 months and we didn’t just shack up together"

Wow-a whole 18 months since their dd died......Hmm

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 20/07/2018 05:47

Stay well out of it OP !

Look they are both grieving and BU

He has moved on . They can’t . They have lost a child . He can’t win

Agree a face to face chat and try to be kind

I bet there is their grief and anger at the source of it all .

Very sad

SandyY2K · 20/07/2018 05:53

The thing is they have always been controlling...so in their position I would back off no matter how early I think he got with a new partner... for fear of not seeing my DGD.

In my culture a year's mourning period should be served. Anything less would be an abomination so to speak.

However, they don't have the right to be sending him passive aggressive sarcastic messages like that, because if my PILS did that in those circumstances I'd just ignore them.

They may have controlled their child...but they won't control me.

BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 06:06

And you have absolutely no idea what the relationships were like before she died. They might have been awful. Or not. Who knows. But just put yourself in their shoes for a second. Then back off.

Northernparent68 · 20/07/2018 09:10

Op, are you sure they should have unsupervised access to a child ? Their irrational and controlling behaviour would give me real cause for concern

User70billion · 20/07/2018 09:16

Ok I didn’t mean we I meant he, I made a mistake there in my post, I have kept out of it as I know it’s not my place.

I have every sympathy for them, and I do know what they are like as ive known them for years. They have always behaved this way and sent texts like this before (passive aggressive). They have every right to be angry, but he has spoken to them face to face numberous times, has emailed them, text them and phoned them about contact, and MIL just won’t respond, but then her husband sends abusive texts and messages to him. He tries again and again and will keep trying. I know it isn’t my place to get involved.

We started seeing each other after 9 months, and didn’t just move in together, though i understand why they find it hard, but I would like them to have contact too with their grandchild it’s just impossible if they don’t reply, even to specific invites. I stay out of the way and don’t expect them to ever like me, and I don’t blame them if they don’t, I just want a relationship between them for the child.

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User70billion · 20/07/2018 09:19

Northern it is a worry yes. It’s so difficult because he wants to do the right thing and let them have contact but he does worry.

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fussygalore118 · 20/07/2018 11:08

Hi User,
The situation sounds like a nightmare ( and almost exactly what a friend of my husband is going through..... Dd name doesnt begin with a E does it lol)

I have advice but I think it is lovely you have found happiness together.

User70billion · 20/07/2018 12:25

fussy that’s a freaky coincidence! Sounds like sadly it’s not just us then!

If you have any advice I’d be grateful as I really want them to have contact as much for the child’s sake as anything. He desperately wants to keep contact but is finding it difficult to arrange.

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