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My mother, my husband, the horrible fights. LONG

83 replies

DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 10:10

I suspect my husband has a DW problem.

My mum is a very volatile person. She can be the kindest and most generous person. Once when I was rejected for a job I wanted she travelled for three hours to take me out for lunch just to cheer me up. She had an abusive mother though and can be extremely agressive and occasionally violent. My father tends to side with her. For example when I was a teen, particularly if she had been drinking stupid fights would blow out of all control and end up either with her saying extremely harsh things - I am fundamentally selfish, self absorbed and cruel. Or her getting physica - grabbing me, shaking me, standing over me while I plead for her to stop, occasionally hitting me and on one occasion throwing a plate that broke and cut my foot. My father intervened but the following day neither apologise and the attitude seems to be she went too far but I provoked it and I have to look at my behaviour too. I guess I have been kinda conditioned into accepting it.

Things improved massively during my twenties, though she doesn’t like my DH who has been my partner since I was 20. She believes he is rude, anti social and has autism. He is not the best with social occasions and doesn’t like just going along with whatever mum is doing but he does his utter best to get on with her nevertheless - buys her niche presents, tries to take interest in her interests. He’s not naturally the most chatty or confiding of people - she hates this, loves people to rely on her - but he has always been an brilliant partner to me and helped me to see some of the ways she has persuaded me to accept her more nutty behaviour.

Anyway, recently I had a baby, first and only grandchild, mum has been delighted. Behaving well to my DD, heavily involved, wants to care for DD one day a week when I go back to work, all agreed. There has been a low level thread of her criticising me (BFing too long, not sharing the baby with her enough) and criticising DH (not involved enough - not true, he works from home and has been an amazing support). Despite this we, plus my best friend, agreed to go on a family holiday with her and DF. On the late night, she got drunk and picked a fight about sexism in science. It blew up horribly. She reduced me to hysterical tears, my poor friend to a panic attack and accused my DH of wanting to bring about Gilead (ie handmaid’s tale). All this while my DD some how slept in the next room. The following morning she sort of apologised to me and my friend “all families fight on the last day of holiday” but has been blanking my husband. On the way home she pulled me aside to say she is going to “sort him out” or maybe I should just leave him and have children with someone else. I was changing my daughter at the time and told her that this was utterly unacceptable to say to me, especially in front of my DD. She called me a shithead. I just don’t know where to go from here. She’s always been like this. One horrendous fight every six months to a year but often brilliant in between but this targeting of my husband is so awful and upsetting, especially for him. She’s so good with my DD now but what about in the future. I just don’t know where to go from here. Please be genital but any advice?

(Obviously we are not doing a family holiday again with them).

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Maelstrop · 14/07/2018 10:19

Please be genital?! Sorry, don’t want to derail, but funny!

Honestly, OP, I think you need to choose-your mum or your DP? I would go lc with her, big time. I couldn’t cope with waiting for the next fight. She needs help.

WomanWithAltitude · 14/07/2018 10:20

This sounds so familiar to me - my mother behaves like this (volatile, violent, picking fights etc.). I am very low contact with her as a result, and it is wonderful to be free from that horrible walking on eggshells feeling.

Not doing family holidays with her is a step in the right direction, but I would lessen contact further. How awful it must be for your DH to have to be around someone who so obviously despises him.

Re your DD.... your mother may be great with her now, but she is a baby, not old enough to answer back or have her own views. Make no mistake - as soon as your DD is old enough to 'provoke' your mother (by having a mind of her own and expressing her views/preferences), she will receive the same treatment you did.

DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 10:23

Maelstrop (oh god what a typo Blush)

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DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 10:25

I try to go Lowcontact but then I just feel so guilty. I am her only child and it feels like I am letting her down. We also live in the same town which would make it harder. I don’t know. Maybe I just making excuses. It would be one thing if she just did it to me but I don’t want to happening to DH and DD

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ravenmum · 14/07/2018 10:34

I think it's important to show your dh that you are on his side and agree that she is being awful - both by telling him that and by telling her that.

I agree on low contact. It cuts the drama back massively and is much less stressful for all involved. If she hates it, you won't know as she won't be there, and she won't be able to jack up the tension about it as you won't be there. You'll probably find that you get on a lot better.

category12 · 14/07/2018 10:46

Definitely don't let her do childcare for you. That would be insane.

Drop contact. She's determined to put a wedge between you and your dp and she will succeed if you go on like this. There will be drama and you will feel guilt, but she's not good for you or your family, and she will be poison for your dd.

Knittedfairies · 14/07/2018 10:52

No to the childcare too. You don’t have to ‘share’ your baby with her either! I’d be stepping back from all this drama.

Branleuse · 14/07/2018 10:55

Thats pretty bad that your husband wants to bring about Gilead tbf

TipseyTorvey · 14/07/2018 10:55

Agree totally with previous posts. This is a very toxic environment and you're probably so used to it you don't realise how 'not okay' this all is. Do not, whatever you do, let her do childcare. I'm not suggesting you go completely nc (although I have with my mother for the last 5 years and it's bliss!) but I would protect your DP from her and only meet up outside the house when he's not there, he doesn't deserve to have to put up with that kind of treatment.

WizardOfToss · 14/07/2018 10:56

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Longtalljosie · 14/07/2018 11:00

I think you need to look at your friend’s reaction. That’s how someone not used to your mum finds her behaviour. Your DD needs not to find this normal or excusable. Can you move away?

Butterymuffin · 14/07/2018 11:02

I am her only child and it feels like I am letting her down

Turn this around. Why doesn't it seem like she is letting you down, as your mum, by getting abusive, violent, picking on your husband, criticising you? Would you ever do those things to your own DD? If not, why do you think you are obliged to suffer them?

Aspergallus · 14/07/2018 11:02

Do not rely on family members like this, it gives them license to loosen the reins on bad behaviour like this. So no childcare arrrangements.

The best way to demonstrate that her behaviour is not acceptable is with actions not words. Don’t get drawn into arguements with someone like this.

E.g. when she started the arguement on holiday, everyone should have walked away and gone to bed at the earliest warning sign.

If she says anything disagreeable/ inappropriate /critical /leading to an arguement during visits, STOP the visit. If you are at her house, “anyway, sorry to interrupt, I must go and ....”, at your house, “time for me to go to the shops...” or even just go to another room for a few moments. Just keep removing your (and your DC’s presence) from her every time. She will eventually learn what kind of discussion and behaviour keeps you in her life. And yes, reduce contact to the minimum.

If she confronts you about the change in your behaviour you can either plead new parent busy-ness and stick with not discussing it...or be frank that you weren’t enjoying the conversation.

category12 · 14/07/2018 11:06

Also her complaining about you breastfeeding and not "sharing" the baby? That's a sign of things to come - she'll undermine you with your dc and try to drive a wedge there too.

newdaylight · 14/07/2018 11:10

I don't think she's suitable to loom after your DD at all. Imagine what she'll be saying to her about DDs dad when no one else is around.

Stand up to her.

Costacoffeeplease · 14/07/2018 11:24

No way should she be doing any child care, I can’t believe you’re even considering it

m0vinf0rward · 14/07/2018 11:28

Its clear that she'd like to drive a wedge between you and your husband probably to make you more reliant upon her so she can have more of your daughter's time. Stand by your husband and reduce your contact with her.

DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 11:41

Thanks everyone. The holiday fight has really made me sit back and try and review things objectively. Your comments are really helping. Albeit in a making me weepy way.

Re childcare. I’m going to ask the nursery if they can take her an extra day to see what my options are. I have asked DH what he wants to do about care and he says at the moment he is ok with it but that he will take DD on that day if his feelings change and the nursery can’t accommodate. His work is very flexible. But the comments are making me think we need to discuss that further.

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Cornishclio · 14/07/2018 11:47

She should not do child care if she is volatile and abusive albeit erratically. She is also making problems between you and your DH. Tell her to butt out of your marriage and say she can see your DD with you there as well. No unsupervised contact. God knows what she will say to her as she gets older. She sounds crazy.

DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 11:51

Branleuse - promise DH doesn’t really want to bring about Gilead. Wink. She thinks he’s controlling because of the way we divided household chores - somethings just he does, somethings just I do according to preference/skills.

Longtalljosie - I can’t easily move. My job is here and a bit tricky to get again. We also do love the location and house but i’ll Keep my eyes open.
Aspergallus - thanks for the specific tips. Go low contact sounds easy in theory but I struggle with it in practice. Atm she tends to speak to me daily and see me once a week. I will work on reducing that and taking it away from DH.

People saying about protecting Dd make such I good point. My position has been she gets one chance and then but maybe that is still my perspective being skewed. The thought of her losing her temper with dd makes me feel sick.

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DrowsyDragon · 14/07/2018 11:52

Thanks everyone for being kind. I guess it’s clear I am really struggling to see this from the outside. And perhaps not achieving my intention to prioritise and protect DH and DD.

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Cornishclio · 14/07/2018 11:52

I try to go Lowcontact but then I just feel so guilty. I am her only child and it feels like I am letting her down.

What about how she has let you down? A parents job is to protect their child, something your parents failed to do to you. I would say thankfully you are an only child as they really should not have had kids if they are as abusive as you say they are. Being aggressive, violent and drunk and shaking and throwing plates at their child is not normal behaviour. You have to realise this.

Don't let your DD down and introduce her into this toxic environment. She may seem good with her when you are around but you don't know what she does when you are not there. Your DD cannot talk presumably, how old is she?

ciderhouserules · 14/07/2018 11:54

As m0vin said - she is trying to drive your DH out, so she can move in on your dd. And she will then start to separate your dd from you, so she can be the 'rescuer' and saviour. I don't want to frighten you, but there is a thread on here where the OP had her own mother driving a wedge between the poster and her dd, and faced the dd leaving to live with DM. Op had to call the Police and change the locks against her own mother - so it can and does happen.

Boundaries, now. She doesn't do childcare, because she can't be trusted not to drip poison about DH or you. (She called you a shithead? I'd have kicked her out for that right then)

Low Contact. Dont feel guilty - it's her bed, she has to lie on it.

Labradoodliedoodoo · 14/07/2018 11:56

It’s a bit odd you’re letting an abusive mother care for your DD one day a week. Also odd going on holiday with her when you knew her history. I think you need to be more boundaried to protect your DD long term. Also she’s probably just jealous of your relationship with your DH. He’s offered you the support she was unable to and is parenting your DD well. In your shoes I’d repeatedly explain that you are not going to discuss DH.

IntelligentYetIndecisive · 14/07/2018 11:56

Your mother is toxic.

Lack of consistency means you're on eggshells the whole time, pandering to her feelings.

She's driving a wedge between you and your husband as your love for him is diluting her control of you.

Do not let your child be alone with this creature.