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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I am invisible to my husband.

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caffeinedrip · 02/07/2018 14:20

I have been married to my husband for 6 years now. I am from Sydney and he is from Georgia and we met because we both used to work for the same company, and he came to Sydney for a work trip. This led to that, I went to Georgia, he came to Sydney, bada bing, bada bang he moved to Sydney to be with me in 2011. The reason he moved over here rather than me moving over there is because I have a son with a previous partner and can’t leave the country with him.
Anyway, we had a child together in April of 2012 and not long after that, our sex life started to suffer. Then we moved into our new house and I honestly can’t remember ever having sex to completion since moving here in 2013. Then he started rejecting me altogether. No sex, no affection, nothing. Now there is no affection, we are sleeping in separate beds and I have been trying for years to get him to talk to me, but he is refusing to. At one point, he went behind my back for 10+ months with his ex-girlfriend in Arizona and had an emotional affair...while I was begging him for attention and affection - and sitting by his side and holding his hand when he was sick in hospital. He doesn’t look at me or touch me, unless it’s to peck me on the lips to say goodbye. I don’t know what to do. How do I leave without even really talking to him? I don’t understand what I did wrong to deserve this.

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caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 10:45

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy - Thank you very much!

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caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 10:58

Myheartbelongsto - I am not "allowing" him to be treated ANY way and to assume that I am is ignorant and insulting.
Many mixed families have these same issues with step-kids and step-parents not connecting and I thought that counseling would help, but apparently not. Every time I see him not treating my eldest as my youngest's equal, I pull my husband up on it. EVERY SINGLE TIME. So don't sit there and assume that I am allowing this treatment, because I am not. The time that he was screaming at my eldest was a once off - there was no physical altercation and I told my husband that if he did it again, it would be the end. After that incident, I told my husband that I would be the person to discipline my eldest should it be needed, and there hasn't been an episode since. It is not something that I felt we had to run from, but rather something that needed to be addressed and worked on.

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PoppyField · 03/07/2018 11:53

Hi OP,

First, I have read the thread and don’t think anyone is intending to be patronising. Yes, people do speed ahead a bit...it is hard to read your words and not want to ‘get you out’ of it ASAP. Once you are out of an abusive relationship, you can still feel raw, scared, grief-stricken etc but we can all see your life would be better for the three of you without this rage-machine in your home. Of course you love him, I suppose I feel that if you love someone it makes you all the more vulnerable to the damage he can inflict. So that worries me.

This sounds very similar to my experience of marriage breakdown. It was incredibly one-sided i.e. he wouldn’t talk, would only shout. He either couldn’t or wouldn’t discuss how serious our situation was, and would not recognise how deeply unhappy I was. He also chipped away at my confidence, called me an unfit mother and was inexplicably cruel towards me.

I desperately wanted answers. I really thought I could find some sort of key to his behaviour. Because I couldn’t explain it. I agonised, probably for a lot of months, if not years. And it felt so tragic, because it seemed he was throwing away the potential for such a lot of happiness, home and family.

He never gave me answer and I never got to the ‘key’. I stopped trying to explain it, apart from acknowledging that to bring himself to be controllling and emotionally abusive, he must be a very damaged individual. And to think that I might be able to heal that damage in any way, was fruitless, thankless and impossible.

You want to do things by the book and so that when you look back at this, you will feel that you did everything to split amicably and with dignity and the best way for your children. Oh and you are concerned about his visa status as well. By any standard that is a lot to take on...for one thing, he is responsible for the visa consequences of his actions.

The sad thing is that he has effectively declared himself your enemy. You perhaps have not recognised this yet. And yes, you now need to go undercover - you know he is your enemy but don’t let him know you know that.

As to finding out the Why...have you heard of the book ‘Why Does He Do That?’ by Lundy Bancroft. It is extremely good...and although it addresses the ‘Why’, the main thing I learnt from reading it is that eventuallly you stop looking for why, and just accept that your DH’s behaviour tells you everything you need to know. ‘What’ he does is more important than why. But again, that might be speeding ahead from your current position.

Good luck, you sound like a good mother and you have a lot of strength...use it now before any more gets chipped away.

Myheartbelongsto · 03/07/2018 12:18

I'm sorry, you are allowing it.

You pull him up every single time, your words. How many tines does it have to happen before you realise he's a cunt and get rid of him!

My husband of 15 years slapped our son across the face leaving a hand print and I was gone!

Fflamingo · 03/07/2018 12:27

All this I want this I want that, just get the facts from a lawyer. Couldn’t your DH jump on a plane to the US with his son and you lose custody?
Get the facts from an expert no more opinion of what DH would or wouldn’t do , get the facts and see where you stand.

LittleTipple · 03/07/2018 15:11

@caffeinedrip I understand your boys come first and you don't want to do anything to make their lives difficult. However from what you describe you've reached your limit and put up with enough. It is time for action. Do what you need to, to get everything in place, but in your own words, "Now there is no affection, we are sleeping in separate beds and I have been trying for years to get him to talk to me, but he is refusing to." The conversation you are desperate for, is not going to happen. You've had years to have a conversation and I think you're now way past this point. He had an emotional affair and you stuck by him, you've put up with no love, no communication. I don't know how you've done it, but you've given it your best efforts. You can now state unreasonable behaviour as grounds for divorce.

It is amicable to say, "DH I have tried to talk to you on multiple occasions and I've tried to make our marriage work. You persistently push me away and have shown me no love for years. I need to do what is best for me and the boys and that is to get a divorce. I have started proceedings with a lawyer and these are the next steps...."

I don't know if you've read The Coats Protection League thread on MN, but there is a lady getting her ducks in a row before leaving her DH. She's expecting it to get nasty so she has rented storage space and filled it with everything she wants/needs to start a new life. She's also got all paperwork in order, finances sorted and as much set up for a smooth transition as possible. Be strong OP.

Rednaxela · 03/07/2018 21:37

Be able to say you had a conversation? Be able to say that you stayed calm and reasonable? It's your word against his.

Sorry but that is the reality. He can and will lie through his teeth to paint you as crazy, unreasonable, emotional, mentally ill etc etc if it suits his purposes. Character assassination. It is yet another tactic in the abuser's playbook.

I know you are trying to maintain the sense that you are in control. But this is not the way to do it. The way to do it is to get to a lawyer, get the financial and legal matters sorted so you and DC can be safe.

caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 21:46

Hi PoppyField,

I’ll have a look for that book and have a read. Thank you for being polite towards me, I appreciate it.

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caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 21:54

Myheartbelongsto You need to back off and chill the f$&k out. Right now the only person being abusive is you.
A step father treating his step son differently to his biological son is a WHOLE different ball game to a Father/Step Father striking his son/stepson. I wasn’t saying that I pull him up every time he screams at my eldest, because that has only happened once - I was saying I pull him up whenever he simply treats him differently, which isn’t even done on purpose the majority of the time. So congratulations for leaving your husband, but that’s your experience. Stop trying to apply it to me.

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caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 22:01

@Fflamingo I’m sorry, is this not meant to be a support group? I didn’t realise that when I posted here I would just end up belittled and accused of being selfish.
Yes, I do want things to go a certain way and I believe I’m allowed to express that in here. Can I also point out that I only posted this YESTERDAY. Strangely, I haven’t managed to find a solicitor since then!

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caffeinedrip · 03/07/2018 22:04

@LittleTipple No I haven’t seen that post! I will have a look today - thank you x

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springydaff · 04/07/2018 01:09

Have you heard of the Freedom Programme op? Do Google it and so it online if you can. It is a wonderful course for the future - I wish everyone did it. Heck, I wish they taught it in schools.

I say that bcs you've had two extremely abusive relationships. I have had one extremely abusive relationship and did the Freedom Programme after I left him. It awt me in good stead for future relationships ie I was able to recognise abuse week in advance.

I think posters are getting to help. Many of us have been in your position xx

springydaff · 04/07/2018 01:10

Grrrr
It set me in good stead
Abuse well in advance
trying to help

caffeinedrip · 04/07/2018 03:46

@springydaff No I haven’t. I will add it to my list of things to look for though - thank you! I think I’m at the point where I feel like I would just be happier alone from now on. I still haven’t recovered from the suicide and actually I think this relationship has made me regress a bit. When he died I was back at full time work and full time care of my son 2 weeks later, so despite all of the counseling I’ve had, I just don’t think I have dealt with it properly. I’d love a break.

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springydaff · 04/07/2018 11:54

Bless you, you have been through so much Flowers

I hope the right services step up to support you - you all need it Flowers Flowers

caffeinedrip · 04/07/2018 12:14

@springydaff Thank you. I’m hoping I can get more support than what I got when my partner died. I just spoke to my husband and he confirmed that he has no feelings for me.

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springydaff · 04/07/2018 17:50

More fool him Flowers Flowers

lovemistymornings · 04/07/2018 19:57

Caffeinedrip please ignore the negative posts, this forum attracts all types and the advice you get is very mixed. But you have a lot of support here, I'm another of the "invisible" wives who's behind you. I finally divorced 3 years ago - you will get through this too. But please get your boys out, it does them no good to live in this sort of family set up. My boys are great but we all have scars now and my biggest regret is not finding a way out when they were small.

caffeinedrip · 05/07/2018 04:22

@lovemistymornings Thank you for the support. I can’t believe some of the things that have been said to me on this thread, to be honest. I have a friend who works in family services, so I am going to ask her to refer me to a family solicitor to help me out.

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EnTsa · 05/07/2018 09:55

why do you insist on a conversation?? You cant leave without one?You already told him you are on the edge of leaving. Now just do it. Unless you want him to stop you? Would one conversation in years enough to reconsider?

caffeinedrip · 05/07/2018 10:34

@EnTsa For closure? Why does everybody find it so shocking that I would like to speak to my husband about why our marriage has ended up this way? I would like to point out that since posting this, I've actually had a conversation with him - which is what I wanted, what I said would happen and what a lot of people incorrectly said would not happen.
This is a space for support, not for tearing somebody down if they choose to handle a situation differently to you. If you can't bring yourself to speak politely, respectfully or with any manner of kindness whatsoever, then just don't comment on this thread at all.

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EnTsa · 05/07/2018 10:49

OP, I asked if the reason you wanted to talk to him is because you wanted him to stop you from leaving. I dont think it was so totally impolite as you make it seem. I seem to have hit a nerve. But i do apologize.
To clarify, I think that the reason many people are surprised by your insistence on a conversation is as simple as this - the man is abusing your son. Had him up against a wall yelling! Dont you think you have a responsibility to save your son from that kind of abuse? To protect him? I am sorry if you dont consider this, or my previous post kind. But i think i can comment on any thread i chose. Besides, I truly believe i am trying to be helpful and kind - towards a child.

caffeinedrip · 05/07/2018 11:09

@EnTsa It was the way you typed it out that made your comment impolite. The intention was there to make my wanting a conversation sound ridiculous.
My husband had my son in a room screaming/yelling at him ONCE. There was no body contact whatsoever, it has not happened since and although the incident scared me, I am not in a situation with a crazed man who is running around foaming at the mouth, screaming at everybody and abusing myself and my children. Which is what everybody seems to think. I am well aware that what my husband did was absolutely horrendous, but he is not systematically abusing my son...it was a one off thing.
Can I also point out that I had that conversation with my husband and we will now be separating. But it's not like I'm f$%king Jennifer Lopez from "Enough". This is just a regular separation.
I'm really regretting coming to this website for support at all now.

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LittleTipple · 05/07/2018 11:31

Sorry you haven't got the support you were hoping for OP. The reason I didn't think a conversation would happen is because you said you'd been trying to talk to him for years. It's great that your resolve forced the conversation and you're now able to move on. The future awaits and I sincerely hope it is a happy one.

caffeinedrip · 05/07/2018 12:48

@LittleTipple I'm sorry, I should have clarified.
The majority of people who have commented have been lovely and helpful. But there has been a select few who have been horrible to me, purely because they disagreed with how I wanted to deal with an incredibly upsetting situation in my life.
I can understand people not agreeing, trying to help, attempting to get me to see their point of view, etc...but these select few people have actually been abusive themselves in the way that they have spoken to me - which is horrible, considering why I'm here.
I know my husband and my life better than anybody else on here, so for people to attack me and presume to know more than me about what is going to happen, is just incredible.
Anyway, thanks for your support. I do appreciate it x

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