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DP tracking his ExW and reading her emails.

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NameChangeAsThisIsBloodyAwful · 26/06/2018 08:29

Urgh. This is really messing with my head.

So, DP has been separated for 2 years. Divorce in progress. He left. There are 2 older teenage DCs. We have been together 1.5 years, it's serious and we will be moving in together.

Basically, without writing a novel, there are a few issues at play here. He tracks his ex wife on Find My IPhone - he has the password. He says he does it to see where his children are (on same cloud), and so that he doesn't ever have to bump into exw. I've been unhappy with this as it smacks of not letting go, and of control - not to mention legal implications of invasion of privacy.
Thing is, it's not just for the kids. The exw had a night out on Saturday and he kept checking to see where she was and was frustrated that her phone seemed to be offline.
We rowed about it. I told him he needs to let go. He told me that he has let go, but because of the nature of the split - she took it very badly and it's impacted massively on his relationship with his children who took their mum's side and don't really want to see him, that he does it to feel part of the children's lives still...or something,

It's not only that. He regularly checks her email. He also has that password - she isn't technogically minded, and he set up all these things when they were still together. He says he does it see if there are any emails regarding a sport his eldest dc takes part in, as the exw is telling him nothing anymore. I think that is also completely unacceptable.

Further, he's been very reticent about telling her that he has a new relationship. I accepted that due to the precarious nature of his relationship with his kids and didn't want to rock the boat. However, at this stage we are serious about a future together. The other week we were spotted by a relative of the exw who reported back to her that we had been seen together. She text him to ask if he was with someone else, and expressed that he had promised to tell her if he was seeing someone new, and that it hurt to hear second hand (totally reasonable of her in my opinion) and that she (and the kids, she always involves them) would like the truth from him.

He text her back minimising everything, saying it was someone he had very recently started seeing and that it was far too soon to tell the children.
Lies. Total lies. We've been together since 2016. He has met my entire family and child many times. We have had family holidays together and we are going to be buying a house together.

He is just so scared she will use anything against him to create an even worse relationship with his children.

To say I'm fed up of all of this is a huge understatement. We also rowed about his reply to her text. I understand he would have preferred to tell her that he was in a relationship and not for her to hear it second hand, but he should have told her before, in my opinion. And now that she knows something, he should have been more honest. Not to rub her nose in it, but not to minimise me and make me feel like a nothing in his life.

The rest of our relationship is excellent, otherwise I'd not be able to cope with his.

I don't know what to do about this though. I don't know if I'm being unreasonable or he is. I am looking for some advice on how to handle it.

OP posts:
AngelsSins · 26/06/2018 12:08

but I do want to stress that he is not the lunatic that people who don't have the whole context have been suggesting

But you’re happy to paint the ex wife as unstable and bitter even though you don’t have the full context?

thenightsky · 26/06/2018 12:08

Just ask him... 'why are you tracking her when the kids aren't even with her?'

Aussiebean · 26/06/2018 12:10

Imagine how the kids are going to feel about him when it comes out that he has been stalking their mother.

Babyblues052 · 26/06/2018 12:10

Incase I've missed it. What was is reasons for tracking her specifically?

As you're not a nieve woman as you say surely you have told him that due to his kids being older teenagers there is little chance they are with their mother that much. So what we're his reasons for continuing to violate Her privacy?

RLOU88 · 26/06/2018 12:10

I’m almost as disgusted at you, OP, for letting the stalking continue than I am at your angelic “DP”.

eyycarumba · 26/06/2018 12:10

Yeh, my ex 'only kept in contact for DS's sake' because he was so desperate to keep as much contact as possible..... he also beat the shit out of me after trawling through months of messages years after we broke up and read one to my friend about a date I had been on.

RLOU88 · 26/06/2018 12:11

Also, everything @ AngelsSins is saying ^^

Deandre · 26/06/2018 12:12

Wow! Just wow! His stalking another women who is isnobviosly obsessed with and can’t let go off...infeont of you...how shameful!

Do not move in with this guy, he still is infatuated with his ex.

Joysmum · 26/06/2018 12:13

He’s a criminal because he feels his actions are justified.

Don’t ever dare disagree with him or you’ll be next 😶

Juells · 26/06/2018 12:13

Everything you know about the break-up is only what he told you. I don't believe a word of it.

He's probably reading this thread as well, as he'll be checking your browser history.

Creepy controlling fucker.

massivelyouting · 26/06/2018 12:13

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Zaphodsotherhead · 26/06/2018 12:15

I think that his basically stalking his kids via their iPhone cloud would probably be the nail in the coffin of any future relationship with them anyway. What adult teen and late teen wants to know that their father has been able to see exactly where they've been on their nights out?

That's not 'caring and wanting contact'. That's just creepy. And he doesn't even see that?

Nje1 · 26/06/2018 12:15

I'm new to Mumsnet but this is the most replies I've seen and they all say the same thing.

It probably scares you a bit.

But PLEASE put your child first and remove yourself from this toxic relationship. What you have been considering as low level behaviours are serious indicators of worse to come.

We could all be wrong but why risk it. He needs help (but not from you) and so do you by the sound of it...why don't you anonymously contact women's aid for their take on it. See what they say regarding his controlling behaviour. And good luck. X

PhonixK · 26/06/2018 12:15

If anyone else had posted this then what would you say?

Take a step back and really read what you've wrote.

shiklah · 26/06/2018 12:16

The story doesn't add up. You have never met her and are replant info he gives her but 'have seen it' - no you haven't. You have seen what he wants you to.

No man stalks someone out of care, it is power and control they are exerting. If his DC are adults they have their choice as to what relationship they have and are choosing not to see or speak to him.

You don't know anything about his ex wife and DC and you are just taking what he says last face value - I think its very sinister.

NotARegularPenguin · 26/06/2018 12:16

As for him stalking me - I'm way too tech savvy for that. There's zero way he has my passwords

Don't you think it's bad that the reason you say he wouldn't stalk you isn't because he wouldn't do something like that but only because you would technically prevent it. Shows you know what he's like.

For God's sake run.

He knows you don't like it and he still doesn't stop! Run fast!

pissedonatrain · 26/06/2018 12:17

Wow just wow!
Denial just ain't a river.
Defending his crazy stalking. His family knows nothing about you.
You blindly believing everything he's told you.

I bet you are the OW he cheated with and left his family for.
Enjoy your sparkly turd.

thornyhousewife · 26/06/2018 12:18

Why on earth are you introducing this fucking awful man into your child's life? What are you doing?!

Sarahconnor1 · 26/06/2018 12:21

I'm going to ask again are you going to tell the ex or have you chosen to be complicit in his stalking.

TwoGinScentedTears · 26/06/2018 12:21

Jesus. Get your shit together. This is all shades of wrong and you're totally complicit in it.

He is showing you exactly who he is and what he will do and you still want to build a life with him? What will it take for you to realise what a toxic man he is?

TheSassyAssassin · 26/06/2018 12:22

I really really don't want to be seen to be saying his actions are ok, but I do want to stress that he is not the lunatic that people who don't have the whole context have been suggesting

^ but OP well-adjusted people do not do this. They know it's not ok. They know it's not normal. Or healthy. They know that tracking/stalking someone is an offence. If - and I hope it's you who tells her to salvage something out of this - his exW finds out and tells her DC then do you think they are gonna come running back to him with open arms? He is unlikely to ever see them again! And then what "action" is he likely to take in "desperation"? Can you imagine your reaction if a female friend came round for advice because she'd just found out we exH was tracking her phone and reading her emails? There is upset and desperate and then there is this! And this is dangerous!!!!

Juells · 26/06/2018 12:24

@Nje1

why don't you anonymously contact women's aid for their take on it. See what they say regarding his controlling behaviour.

Good suggestion.

LoveInTokyo · 26/06/2018 12:24

The kids are too old for a court order - one is an adult teen, the other not far behind. He tried that and was advised by his solicitor that they were too old to be forced to comply. He is devastated by loss of his relationship with them and that has torn him apart, I believe this had led to behaviour he wouldn't otherwise exhibit.

If the kids are that old then they have made their own mind up about him, haven't they? They're not impressionable six year olds whose minds have been poisoned against him by their evil mother.

I don't think he was controlling with his ex.

AARRRGHHH.

Her response to him leaving was that she desperately wanted him back, and I believe still does in some way, although she is now mainly angry.

So he says.

The finances are all sorted. She got the house and he was Incredibly generous - his guilt about leaving fuelling that, and hope that he would get dc's on side.

So he says. In my experience, very few men going through a divorce voluntarily give their ex wife a much bigger share than the judge thinks they should be entitled to, especially once the children are grown up.

He questions himself every day what he did wrong that the kids don't want to have much to do with him, and I can't answer that either, I just don't know.

Really? Are you shitting me?

I feel he does all of these things to regain some sense of connection to his family. Yes perhaps his ex wife too, they were together many years.

Well stalking is one way to regain some sense of connection to your family, I'll give you that. Just not a healthy, sane or indeed legal way.

I don't want this to be read as justifying his behaviour and I think his message to her minimising my role in his life as someone he has basically just started seeing and definitely too soon to tell the kids as there is 'nothing to tell' is wholly out of bloody order and really giving me massive worries about everything.

Your whole post is attempting to justify his behaviour. Out of all the things he is doing, the thing that is "giving you massive worries about everything" is by far the least worrying. The stalking and controlling behaviour (and the lying) should be more of a problem for you.

I'm not a naive woman. I'm separated myself, though have a much more sane relationship with my ex.

You are coming across as naive, sorry. Maybe it's because you've been lucky enough not to be with someone like this in the past, so you don't recognise this kind of behaviour for what it is.

I don't think my DP is a bad person. I think he's been desperate and it's caused some really skewed thinking. I also think he tends to be very weak when it comes to anything he fears may threaten his fragile relationship with his kids further.

Good people don't stalk their exes and children. They just don't.

It's beyond fucked up, and it all needs to stop immediately, I completely see that. But I don't want him to he painted as a monster when really he has just been a very upset and desperate man who is struggling to accept the changes in his life.

Please stop trying to make him the victim here. I'm sure he does have problems, but you don't need to make those problems your problems. For the sake of your child, if not for yourself, please get away from this toxic, abusive, controlling, law-breaking man.

I really really don't want to be seen to be saying his actions are ok, but I do want to stress that he is not the lunatic that people who don't have the whole context have been suggesting.

There is no possible context that would make this kind of behaviour OK.

arranfan · 26/06/2018 12:25

OP - if this ended up in the hands of the police and courts for whatever reason. Do you think your explanations would be accepted as rational and reasonable by them?

Do you think that if you're exposed as having known about this, there is no danger of having Social Services mandated to intervene to assess the safety of your living situation for your DC if you were actually living together? (Children's Safeguarding.)

Please, contact one of the stalking helplines and talk it through with them. At least you will be able to gain the perspective of people who are familiar with the legislation, the natural history of this sort of behaviour, and any possible impact this might have for your own DC in the future.

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