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Is this a form of rape or am I over-reacting?

122 replies

fwbgonewrong · 22/06/2018 09:55

Hi all - I will start by saying I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and have also been raped before, which probably makes my boundaries very skewed in some ways. I have been quite promiscuous at times, with a need to sort of emulate Samantha from SATC's kind of sexual liberation so as to feel in control (I'm not nearly as prolific as her by the way!). I have always been up front about this. I'm saying this in order to give an accurate background and not drip feed.

I'm a single mum in my early 30's and have been seeing a 46 year old guy I met online since October. The intention was always to just become "friends with benefits" as he was fresh out of a divorce and I had too much on (kids/work/moving area/etc). So we've been happily meeting up every 2-3 weeks or so - just for sex and a fry-up in the morning! I liked him well enough for a chat, a shag and a cuddle but had no feelings of wanting to take it to relationship level and I think he felt the same. Nice and easy you would think?

Apologies as I'm about to get a bit graphic from here on...

He hadn't had sex for the last three years of his marriage and before that it hadn't been frequent or particularly great. I can see why he'd actually be the problem there; he is circumcised and can only get off in certain positions (which as a 6ft 4" guy built like a rugby player) meant that I would often be pinned to the bed underneath his weight, crushed against the mattress). His ex wife was even tinier than I am and I can see why she must have got sick of being suffocated to the point of not putting out!

The sex was okay if I was on top and he was pretty good at all the non-penetrative stuff but it was far from the best I've ever had. He however told me that I was the best he had ever had (which is hugely complimentary but I think an exaggeration after such a long dry spell)!

He liked me on top doing all the work and orgasmed that way a few times. But his favourite way to cum would be to literally pin me to the bed on my front and grind inside me from behind until he came. I'm guessing the extra friction felt nice for him because of his lack of foreskin but it wasn't great for me. He is also obsessed with my backside and would bargain for anal sex as much as possible.

I've never been a huge fan of anal but the first few times we took it slow, lots of lube Blush and both enjoyed ourselves. We didn't do it every time we met up but he started increasingly wanting it. However, on about the fourth time, he cut me inside just as he was finishing. He didn't realise and I spent the next few weeks being a bit sore until we met again. I thought I was healed by that point so we tried again, with me pinned to the bed (and crushed). As soon as he started it was searingly painful and I yelled out "ow!" He seemed to get excited by this rather than stop and went at me faster. I couldn't move and was crying in pain (Although he might not have known this as my face was in the pillow). And then the pain got too much so I yelled "stop" just as he was about to finish. He didn't stop and thrust a few more times until he did finish. I was so glad it was over and stupidly didn't say anything at the time as I thought "he's such a nice guy, there's no way he did that deliberately"?!

We refrained from the backside stuff the next time we met, but the time after that the exact same thing happened. During that exact same sex session he managed to accidentally fracture my rib (likely caused by his weight on top of me). I didn't tell him it was him that did this but we haven't met up in the last 7 weeks whilst I've been "recovering". (I'm absolutely fine now and have been for a few weeks). We've stayed in touch over WhatsApp sending each other jokes and catching up. Plans to meet up in July, etc. But I've found since having a break away from him that I can't stop thinking about those two incidents and how they don't sit right with me. I'm also not missing the sex - I guess it never really was all that for me (even though he was having the time of his life)!

Other not so nice things? He took a photo of us engaging in anal sex (just private parts, no faces) and I later found out he'd shown it a friend. I'm not sure why I didn't kick off at this. Just laughed it off even though I wasn't happy.

Two days ago he sent me a joke meme about anal sex along with a comment about how he "can't wait to be inside my arse again" (lovely!). I looked at it and couldn't even dignify it with a reply so ignored it and talked about something else later that day. He then sent it again last night and said "what did you think of this" so he really wants a reaction to it! Except it's made me inexplicably feel really angry! And I've ignored it (and him) since then. I just don't know what to say to him? Maybe he doesn't realise and doesn't get it? It's not like I've been clear. But he had to know he was hurting me right? And prioritised his fetish and his need to get off...Sad

This is probably my own fault. I don't handle these things very well. Really thought he was a gent. Didn't want to take it further than FWB but now I don't want to ever see him again. But should I say anything to him? I'm so not good at this.

OP posts:
Jux · 22/06/2018 12:50

Further to my question Is there a way to be clearer? I suppose stabbing would work WinkGrin ....... LIGHTHEARTED don't take that seriously, Lurkers.

HungerOfThePine · 22/06/2018 12:53

Don't see him again this isn't even a fwb if you are giving and not really getting anything out of it.
Don't be fooled by nice guy persona he is selfish and a boundary pusher/rapist.

I have a fwb who is partial to anal but he always checks i am ok with whatever we are doing and he stops as soon as I give him any signals verbal or non verbal That is respectful and how it should be.

FermatsTheorem · 22/06/2018 12:53

If you really must send it, I'd go for something way shorter and simply put "I'm finding sex with you painful and unpleasant, and you continued to have sex with me after I said stop. For these reasons, I do not wish to see you again. Please do not contact me further. I do not want excuses and apologies, I just want you out of my life."

If he responds against your stated wishes, go for the SGB response (poster on MN who's a tower of strength on relationship threads) of a one liner "I will count continued contact as harrassment and contact the police."

However, if there's even a chance that he will get violent, just block and move on.

Juells · 22/06/2018 12:56

@fwbgonewrong

I think half his enthusiasm was that he couldn't believe his luck that he'd found someone so easy to hoodwink and control

He also seems to be on good terms with his wife still - that's what makes me wonder if I've got this all wrong?

"seems". According to him.

He says she stopped being attracted to him and ceased sex
"He says"

He also said she loved anal play in the earlier years.
"He said"

I wouldn't believe a word he said, it's all designed to keep you compliant and make him look like a good guy. Much more likely that she has a barring order against him for DV.

Juells · 22/06/2018 13:00

"anal play". Gosh it sounds such fun doesn't it? When the reality is being hurt so someone else can enjoy themselves.

FairyFace · 22/06/2018 13:07

I think because you aren't saying anything to him, even if he does think your not ok with it , he is going along and pushing the boundaries, he doesn't have any respect for you if he is hurting you and pressuring you into doing anal, I don't particularly like it but sometimes if we are in the mood we will do it, but slow and gentle and if I am not feeling it my dh stops immediately even though he is enjoying it, the problem with FWB is they don't necessarily care for you like a proper partner would and because you are vulnerable because of what you went through you find it hard to be open and upfront about what is acceptable and what is not, I don't think you are suited to having a FWB or ONS sort of relationships purely because of that. You need a loving partner that will fufill all parts not just the sex. Please don't see this man again, he is basically cumming in your ass and doesn't give two fucks if he hurts you or not because your too quiet to tell him otherwise. So to him its not rape.

hididdlyhoneighborino · 22/06/2018 13:09

Tell him if you dont think hed be a danger to you if you did. I presume he knows where you live...

hididdlyhoneighborino · 22/06/2018 13:12

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

hididdlyhoneighborino · 22/06/2018 13:12

Crap, wrong thread 🤣

MrsJayy · 22/06/2018 13:15

I don't think you are needing to write all that in your message to him something like I don't want to see you any more we are clearly on different wave lengths your attitude towards me isexually s disgusting and i have injuries please do not contact me again.

Helmetbymidnight · 22/06/2018 13:15

Short message is better. Short message says, 'I don't care'.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 22/06/2018 13:19

I think your text is excellent, OP. He can then be clear exactly what you're complaining about. Any answer may be useful in establishing that he knew he was inflicting unwanted sex and pain on you.

3DSpex · 22/06/2018 13:25

A long message that go into the ins and outs of the situation invite a response and a conversation.

Better to send a short message saying its not working for you. You don't owe this man anything. He sounds vile.

PeakPants · 22/06/2018 13:26

I also think the OP’s text is good. Why should she give the impression to him that she doesn’t care? He needs to know. If she just sends a short fuck off message he will no doubt chalk it up to her being a bitch. This way he is told what he did and he would have to be pretty damn psychopathic for it to have no impact.

After sending it I would block though OP. He needs to realise that this is it- no second chances.

Sarahlou63 · 22/06/2018 13:26

Fantastic text.

Quartz2208 · 22/06/2018 13:27

He is pushing boundaries there OP definitely run away - he sounds like he was disconnected from you in a way he wasnt from his wife - a disconnect probably heightened by porn watching and not knowing you at all. He stopped seeing you as a person and that is scary.

Sending the message for me is personal choice

minmooch · 22/06/2018 13:28

I suggest a shorter message. Don't wish him well. Be concise - do not contact me again.

He was never your friend and only he benefitted from your relationship.

Do not engage in any excuses he may come up with.

I bet you will feel so much better if you take control of the situation, you make the decision to end this abusive relationship. That is one powerful move right there.

holrosea · 22/06/2018 13:39

Whether he knew what he was doing or not (and a lack of self-awareness and not checking in on a partner’s enjoyment during sex not being ideal in any circumstance) the important thing here is that you are not happy.

You were physically hurt, you were subjected to continued sex while in pain and objecting (even with your face in a pillow I refuse to believe he thought everything was fine, and if he is so big and rough, surely he should make an extra effort to know how his partner is?) and you now feel hugely uncomfortable about the whole thing.

To top it off, his photographing of you while unaware and sharing this image is hugely disrespectful, and his recent messages and sharing of memes has effectively reduced you to being his f*ck toy. I am sorry to sound very harsh and believe me, it is no comment on you: you are entitled to have as much sex with whoever you want in whatever way you want and I hope that you enjoy every second of it, but I hope for you to be an active, engaged and willing participant with a partner who cares about your sexual experience.

Apologies for writing a rant; in short, please do not contact him again, block, delete, whatever. Have sex with whoever you like, but make sure it is in your terms and with a partner who respects you and your boundaries and who is also concerned about your enjoyment.

Princess9891 · 22/06/2018 13:41

Block. Run. He has cut inside you and fractured your rib??? He is gonna end up killing you! Not worth the drama or pain imo

BrendasUmbrella · 22/06/2018 13:42

My current partner is circumcised, he doesn't need special measures to get off. I've noticed no difference at all. You were just involved with a dickhead who can only get off by hurting his sexual partners.

Kittykat93 · 22/06/2018 14:31

I think the text you suggested sending is really good and to the point. But as a pp said, the rib fracture was from him crushing you, not just from you both enjoying rough sex. Make sure he knows it's his fault.

Huskylover1 · 22/06/2018 15:07

I think that text is absolutely spot on, although, as a previous poster said, I'd change the "rough sex" bit, for him "crushing you".

His size and weight are not important here. My DH weighs 20 stone and is a very big guy...I've never felt crushed, ever.

If you start to doubt yourself for one moment, think about the fact that he showed photographs of his own penis entering a lady to a friend. It doesn't get much more deviant than that. WHO ARE THESE MEN? Why would a 45 year old man, think that his friend would want to see pictures of his erect penis. I find this entirely baffling. And actually, he sounds a bit dangerous to me.

Send the text. I wouldn't block personally, as I'd want to read any response, for eg. he might say "I'm coming over to talk", and I'd want to see a message like that. However, I wouldn't reply to anything he sends.

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Raritys · 22/06/2018 15:32

I'd just send a short message and never talk to him again.

You don't need to explain.

Juells · 22/06/2018 15:38

Everything was getting rougher and rougher, wasn't it, as he saw how much he could get away with. Then tying you up? What next - 'breath play'? "Oh you'll love it if I half strangle you. Don't worry, I'll stop if you don't like it".

Creepy, dangerous, sadistic. You could end up dead.

shiklah · 22/06/2018 15:43

That is a great text, but in my opinion you are still taking responsibility.

How about removing the extra words:

Hi M. I didn't reply to your meme as I didn't find it funny. You've hurt me badly during that particular act and didn't stop when I asked you too, more than once.

I didn't tell you that my rib fracture was to you being rough during sex. I'm not sure why I wasn't able to tell you the truth at the time, but the last couple of months have given me time to think and I do not want to see you again.

Showing other people intimate pictures of us without my knowledge or consent is in fact, illegal. Please delete those pictures, I do not consent to you having them.

I do not want to hear from you again,

FWBGW"

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