I bloody hate men.

[Horriblegrandma]

After all these years I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of men are bastards. I have been sexually, emotionally and physically abused, some of these multiple times. I've been cheated on and lied to and taken advantage of so many times.

All men think about is sex. I just don't want to know. They are all obsessed with it like it's the only thing that matters in life. I see women objectified all the time and used by men.

I am so sick of it all and don't think I could ever trust another man as long as I live.

I know I'm probably being over the top and that some of you have got lovely husbands but my own experiences are so far away from that. I don't want to feel like this but I'm so done with it all. I have a partner but he has also let me down recently.

Just read the full thread. Completely sympathise, OP.

All the men in my life have either been either bullies, cheats or completely useless.

Angel - brilliantly argued. I agree with everything you say. Men are responsible for all the wars of this world and the vast majority of violent crime and sexual offences against women and children.

If a man is EVER violent towards me, the f**ker will get more than he bargained for. I will go down swinging! (punches that is, not partaking in their polygamous perversions).

And now you have this viciously aggressive trans "women" brigade who are bullying, browbeating - and even physically beating - women into submission (eg, the trans-"woman" who punched a 60-year-old woman who had the audacity to speak her mind).

Why all the aggression, bullying and self-entitlement in encroaching on women's space and women's lives and experiences?

Well...... funnily enough, that'll be because they're BLOKES.

IMHO, most men (with some exceptions) can just fuck off, really.

Either been.

You do realise we're the same species, right? You're not separate from men, you're the same.

I wonder if those who are happy to lay the blame for all wars and the majority of crime on men are equally happy to give them the credit for all civilization, and the vast majority or art, architecture and science?

You notice people are happy to claim membership of a group when positive traits are being discussed: then they're British, human, whatever. But when something bad goes down it;s always "Not that's not me, that's (insert trivial distinction here)"

I'm going out to get popcorn.

northernlights

I'm the same, all the men in my life have either been violent, drunks, cheats, control freaks, hidden a secret child or conned me out of money.

Not one good one unfortunately.

Women have been subjugated by men throughout history.

@AngelsSins Brilliant arguments.

Really loving this thread. First one that hasn't been completely hijacked the the "notallmen" whingers. Yeah some tried but fortunately they've been mostly ignored.

Mens it's not about you; and marginalised groups like we women should be able to talk freely without worrying about damaging privileged male egos.

Men have an opportunity to learn about our experiences and your job is to listen, not defend yourself. Derailing these conversations with your not all men and women do it too, is just trying to put yourselves in the centre of the conversation and invalidating women's very real experiences. So sit back and listen and learn instead of chiming in because what we're saying is making the mens uncomfortable.

Your not all mens serves zero purpose to women's issues and only serves to derail conversations back to the mens and silence us women.

Genuine question, who’s raising all these ‘bastard’ men? Mother’s are involved in their childhood aren’t they? Or are we just born ‘bad’?

I wonder if those who are happy to lay the blame for all wars and the majority of crime on men are equally happy to give them the credit for all civilization, and the vast majority or art, architecture and science?

Men did start all the wars! They are to blame.
They had the opportunity to create art and science, women did not.

That's exactly the point.

Praising them for good work doesn't mean we have to agree with the bad they created.

But perhaps women didn't have the opportunity to start wars either? It transpires that the Queens we had were significantly more likely to go to war than Kings.

www.nber.org/papers/w23337

The question was meant to be taken as an absurd one though, because you obviously can't separate the actions of Queens (or Kings from the actions of those around them). Saying mens did this (do this) and not women suggests that these groups are separate when they are not. Claiming innocence for the crimes of history is as ridiculous as building a fence around some leafy suburb of Kent and saying "Right, we've solved child poverty here. It's just those bastards at Gateshead who are the problem".

The reason I think it's relevant is that it's very easy to get sucked into the anger when you've been betrayed. It's fairly commonly acknowledged on the Red Pill forums that it takes an abusive relationship for men to "wake up" to the bio-troofs. But there's a quote I've often seen often quoted here which is "Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die".

@ReliefOfChaos

how does any of that relate to the fact that women have been and are still marginalised?

It doesn't. It relates to the fact that if you go looking for the bad you'll find it, and you'll be no happier for it. Ask not to find for whom the bell tolls and all that.

Taking the topic back to relationships......

There are horrible men out there and there are horrible women. Equally, there are nice men and there are nice women. The ratio of horrible-to-nice per gender makes for interesting discussion but even if it were a straight 50:50 women still get the short straw. A man paired up with a horrible woman is far less likely to be the victim of physical abuse, or even the implied fear of violence, because of the strength imbalance. A man is far less likely to be the victim of sexual abuse, again because of the strength imbalance but also because it's pretty damn hard to force an unwilling man to have sex. A man is far less likely to be the victim of financial abuse, or be unable to leave due to financial dependence, because of the gender pay imbalance.

I hear you OP and have felt like you do. Everywhere you turn you just see bad male behaviour. No one can deny that men are more physically and sexually violent than women, it is just a fact.

I don't call it man hating, I call it male disappointment. I was optimistic in my youth that bad young men would grow up, and you know what - I think they used to

If I spend time with my parent's friends (75+) the men are all without fail gentle men. They were responsible and made sure their families were safe. I think today in the world of technology, porn and capitalism - men don't have to grow up. There is no emphasis on having responsibility, there is a lack of shaming of bad male behaviour (e.g. affairs, being irresponsible) - we live in a culture that supports narcissism and men have license to do what they want

I've actually come to think that I miss Old Fashioned Sexism. The OFS'ists I know do not put women down, yes they might go into 'protect' mode, but it is not on a sub-human level it is because they value women as humans but slightly different to them.

After an abusive 15 year marriage, I have a relationship with a man with whom we have total respect as individuals BUT I feel like we are a bit like the Nordics on a smaller scale - i.e. we tend to find ourselves complying with gender roles but he totally respects what I do. So yes, I may do more of the cooking type stuff but voluntarily does every manual job there is. And there has never ever been one hint of thinking that what I do is of no value, quite the opposite - we have this strange but peaceful feeling of being a team and each member is required and of equal value. This simply wasn't ever the case with my ex-h. His disrespect of what I did was constant and daily - a man child who took no responsibility and had zero respect for what women tend to do ( I know I know but we do!)

I honestly think a larger number of men are men children than ever before. And their behaviour sucks right across the spectrum from sex, home and work.

interesting points from all views.

and to mooncuplanding, such interesting post esp. paragraph 3.

I agree mooncuplanding

It may be true there are more man children now.
I don't think there is necessarily more violence towards women now. Remember it's not that long since there was no offence of rape within marriage, and wife-beating was joked about. Women kept quiet about sexual assault and rape as they knew they'd be blamed for it.

Cant be arsed to read the whole thread buf at the point of talking about women in hip hop etc and men getting blamed that women are using certain language...dont some people ever get tired of blaming men for everything? Women at the top of their creative field using language you disagree with and you blame men for it.

Sure...

Just because rape is an offence within marriage it doesn’t stop it happening. It is less likely to be reported, who wants to tell all and sundry the man they love and even worse their children that their father, friend, son, brother... is a rapist.

I was just reading a couple of studies that 4 out of 5 sexual assaults are never reported.

The majority of sexual assaults are committed by the woman's partner and the rest are by a relative, friend, someone she knows.

Frustrated I'm not man bashing for fun. Ive had enough of it. So sick of being hurt and put down and blamed for all their shit. This is coming from my broken heart over years since a child. I don't do it lightly.

The sexual attacks thing is awful. Just horrendous.