I bloody hate men.

[Horriblegrandma]

After all these years I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of men are bastards. I have been sexually, emotionally and physically abused, some of these multiple times. I've been cheated on and lied to and taken advantage of so many times.

All men think about is sex. I just don't want to know. They are all obsessed with it like it's the only thing that matters in life. I see women objectified all the time and used by men.

I am so sick of it all and don't think I could ever trust another man as long as I live.

I know I'm probably being over the top and that some of you have got lovely husbands but my own experiences are so far away from that. I don't want to feel like this but I'm so done with it all. I have a partner but he has also let me down recently.

AngelsSins All true I couldn't refute any of it. But there are still a lot of horrible people out there of BOTH sexes. Or are you saying men cause ALL the ills in the world? A quick look through these boards says otherwise.

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Of course there are horrible women out there; I think we all know that, but it doesn’t absolve men of all of the horrific things they have done, and continue to do or support. Men have created the vast majority of ills in this world, they really have, and I don’t think that we should pretend that’s not the case. Women have a right to be angry.

As a side note, porn, as an example, is increasingly showing violence against women and the humiliation of women. This is what a large number of men get off to. Is that not woman hating? I rarely see men speak up about that, instead I see women and young girls being groomed to believe its normal.

@AngelsSins

Clear point on that one, which is what I pulled someone up on earlier when he stated most men watch porn.
Why? Because they have normalised it so much, women are afraid to speak up and say, "actually it's not normal!"

It grim an objectification. The more "cool wives" that support it, the more men see it as a green light to use women as their wank toy.

Do they honestly think for a second women that have a choice of a better life and job would choose to shag or be abused on t.v. for money.
You have to be pretty delusional to think that.

The only reason sex pays so much is because men (no matter how much you say it's women too) are a more than willing audience for it! They see it as their right and harmless fun!

It's anything but.

They choose a women to get off on, toss their load and turn it off like that's all she is worth.

I see plenty of women with nasty self centred men but they are under the illusion they can change them.You try to tell them their partners are arse holes at your peril -they will defend them with their lives.
Then when things go wrong it is the male species who are at fault.

Just read through all posts and am surprised to hear so many of you feel the same. I can only speak from my own experiences which is what I'm doing. I wouldn't be saying I hate men if I just felt like it one day. I try hard but can't escape this feeling.

Have you ever really listened to hip hop type chart music? Really listened to the words? The way these young guys talk about women, calling them hoes and bitches routinely. Horrendous and makes me want to weep with the ugliness of it all. All about sex. Women on music videos writhing around sexually wearing practically nothing. This is what our young generation of men/boys are being raised on and it shows. If anything, women are treated worse now than at any other time in history.

I may sound like Mary Whitehouse but I don't care.

I know there are a few good ones out there but it's not the norm.

Footballmumofthefuture I agree, it seems to many, that women talking about their anger towards men, is worse then men getting off on very real violence against women, in the name of entertainment. Why is one normal and acceptable, but the other so terrible?

Then when things go wrong it is the male species who are at fault

But that’s simply not true. Look at the news, any time a man murders his wife, excuses are made for him. He was a lovely guy who snapped because she did X/Y/Z. And why didn’t she leave him anyway? She knew what he was like. Why didn’t she protect her kids.....and repeat.

When a woman is beaten by her partner, the same excuses are rolled out, I’ve even heard men say “well women wanted equality” as if that means it’s ok to beat them. And more often than not, any sentencing the man might get, is pathetically insulting. And that’s if you live in a country where it’s illegal to beat your wife, in many countries it’s perfectly fine, because men say so.

Have you ever really listened to hip hop type chart music? Really listened to the words? The way these young guys talk about women, calling them hoes and bitches routinely

The two most successful hip hop artists of the moment are Cardin B and Nicki Minaj. Both female and frequently use the words cited above...

They use it because it gets them the audience. If men wasn't so happy to listen and be okay with that shit, I can guarantee it wouldn't get a head turn.

The same as If all men disagreed with porn the viewings would go so far down they wouldn't make money.

While people okay it and routinely listen and watch like it's nothing. It will always be okay! That's the point.

But god forbid a woman speaks the truth about it and makes a stand. She gets told it's harmless and a bit of fun. Leave them too it. Do you see the circle?

Chutney that's very true but that's still horrendous isn't it. This is still not helping women's cause. Why would women talk about themselves and other women like that? I don't understand it.

Footballmum I absolutely agree with you. When I bring this up I get called a prude. Well I'm happy to be one.

They use it because it gets them the audience.

Female audience. Let me guess, men coerce them into using offensive and inflammatory language?
For what it’s worth I think the level of mysogony in music is sickening.

@HorribleGrandma
I agree a lot of men are wankers with desplorsble values and despicable behavior. Not all of us though!

Maybe men don't make them use language like this, although I suspect they are just following in the footsteps of male artists who make money from creating this kind of music. In which case, they are just as responsible and should know better. Whatever the reason it's not ok is it.

I have very high boundaries and never give the deplorable users so much as the time but there is a lack of men who can treat a woman with respect so I've been single for 11 years!

No they don't make them. But they act like it's what men want to here, hence why women use it. I think you get my point.

If women actively disagreed it would be frowned apon. Instead they deem it cool!

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What I'm basically saying is. These are the women that need to change their attitudes, learning to respect themselves!

In my experience, young women have now accepted this as normal. How did we get here?

So I hear what you are saying here, I started life sadly with an appalling father, an even worse step father and three really horrible long term partners before I met a wonderful man who treats me with respect, through him I met his wonderful father and this helped me realise that not all men are bloody ghastly.. there are some really great men out there.. I'm just delighted I raised my own bar of acceptable behaviour and met them.. dont lose heart, or watch love island!!!

We got this way because men taught us it was normal and that is the truth!

OP I want to disagree with you as I work with many educated and thoughtful men, but in my non-work life have to agree that many men are driven by sex and that society provides excuses for male violence and sexism. I have one male friend and rest female, only date men that aren't controlling otherwise end it. In reality I feel that equality isn't here yet and is a long way away!

If women actively disagreed it would be frowned apon. Instead they deem it cool!

So if they acted in the way that you deem appropriate that would be acceptable. Controlling?

It's not controlling to try and stop the aiding of objectification of women, which is morally wrong. It's about making a change!

When I bring this up I get called a prude. Well I'm happy to be one

Me too. But it goes against the grain. If you criticise current attitudes (whether its women or men who are engaging in it and encouraging it) its like your from Mars! People used to say love-making. Then it was sex. Now its just 'fucking'. I think everyone is diminished by this increasing objectification, its very sad. All a woman can do in this climate (apart from protest about it to raise awareness) is to refuse to engage in it, probably something thats getting harder to resist in the cultural shift.

Me too.

Tjhis pornified world that panders to men's worst side robbed me of the sex I want and if that makes me a prude, then so be it I'm happy to be one too.