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Am I a mug? (So long, sorry)

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Nothingsundercontrol · 16/06/2018 14:15

Hi all, long time lurker and first post but love all the support and advice given on here. I am quite young and no kids but hoping for some advice. This is unbelievably long but don't want to drip-feed so appreciate if this gets no replies.

Backstory: me 24, great stable job for two years in London, family owned flat in nice central area with cheap rent, sporty and size 6-8 (not boasting relative later), kind and loyal to a fault, overly sensitive and difficult upbringing and can come across cold at first but am actually really soppy and desperate to just love and be loved and be happy. I'm a relationship person and past relationships ended due to youth and distance, and most recent because I'd grown up a lot over the years and my ex was very much in the student phase of life. Not his fault but parted on good terms as we both wanted different lives.

Him: same age, model looks, two jobs he does not enjoy in a year, quiet, active, sporty, anger issues (I have tried to support and understand and show him love and don't judge), moved to London to be with an ex in her family's home, he kissed someone on a work night out (only told me well into our relationship that he had previously cheated or I'd probably not have gone there in the first place), then said it fell apart because living together caused rows and he moved into a new flat whilst saying he to her they were still together and would make it work living apart but then ended it as soon as he moved into the new place. Met me about six weeks later.

Met a year and a half ago, I'd resigned myself to being single but was enjoying the odd date (more for a laugh and something to do) and he turned my life upside down. I had never known love like it, i couldn't believe I'd met someone who wanted to fight my corner and be on my side and support me. I think I am quite nice looking and like to make an effort with hair and clothes but he made me feel like the most stunning creature on the planet. I couldn't contain my happiness and thought that all the difficulties I'd had in life had been worth it to experience such a great love, like I'd experienced the bad so I would be ready to appreciate the wonder of this relationship. I couldn't believe how lucky I was and even better, he didn't seem to be able to believe how lucky he was either. Bliss and contentment and safety all in one.

Or so I thought, he hated his job. I supported him and helped in job search, he then found a new one and seemed happy to start. He was then off for six weeks. In this time after Christmas I noticed he was a bit off and for one week didn't want to be intimate with me (a marked change from the nine months previous where it would average 4/5 times a week at least). He then got very drunk one night and was horribly abusive, nearly killed us both dragging us under a tube platform, screaming at me when I was desperately trying to get us home safely, police offered to take him for the night so I could get home but refused as I couldn't do that to him. Police handed me his phone as he was going to drop it and when I got home his phone flashed up with a message from friend asking if he got home okay as he was so drunk. I opened the phone and found messages to his teenage years ex about a sexual dream he'd had the night before about her, messages to a 45 year old blonde woman asking if her response to his proposition was no, and someone down as an auntie who clearly was not an aunt and was actually a 50 year old model he had found on instagram and messaged and exchanged numbers with. Messages saying he'd missed chatting to her that week and asking if she could be his milf and he could be her toy boy. These messages were all sent that night whilst he was messaging me saying he loved me and was desperate for me to come out and meet him.

I stupidly stupidly took him back, he said he was a mess and worried about new job and had done this before and couldn't believe what he risked losing and had just gone mad. Promised he would build my trust and never do anything to hurt me again.

Gradually he seemed to begin to resent the fact that I'd ask the odd question about these women and if any had got back in touch, or for him to reassure me that nothing was going on. Admittedly any time his mood changed towards me I worried he was doubting us and talking to other women again. But overall, we have been happy and made plans for the future, booked a Christmas holiday and been on holiday with his family with more family trips booked later in the year. We celebrated our anniversary with a weekend away and it was wonderful and we agreed how happy we were and how we both felt we'd met the person we wanted to spend the rest of our lives with.

Three weeks ago he shut off. Complains of constant tiredness, doesn't want to go anywhere or do anything, bad moods and foul temper, picking on me and everything I do, causing huge arguments and I've been worn down by it all and have felt miserable. Begged him to tell me what is wrong as such a change made me worry he was depressed or about to have a breakdown, he just said he felt unhappy in himself and stressed recently. I have tried everything, asked to spend quality time and reconnect, cooked romantic dinners and given him some space as well. Any effort I have made has not been appreciated, he finds fault or says he's too tired to do anything. Rejects my advances sexually and made me cry more than I can count because it hurts so much. He says he has put on weight and I have too (I hadn't realised and am still a tall size 6-8) and doesn't feel sexy at the moment.

Things came to a head yesterday when I'd had enough of being treated nastily and I was so unhappy, somehow he turned it round on me and told me I was crazy and irrational and too emotional, he is logical and logically we are not going to end up together. It's like he's closed off all feelings for me. Says he needs space and isn't sure what he wants, I deserve better, he doesn't want to hurt me again, he's never been alone and independent and needs to find out who he is, but maybe if he gets some space (can't say if that means a week or a month or six months) he might want to be with me but doesn't know right now. I asked him to just be honest but he is adamant he doesn't know. I pointed out he's repeating history and I don't believe for one second if he moves out for six months there is any chance he'll end up back with me, offered to support him with his issues and maybe organise some counselling for him but he laughed at that idea.

So here's my dilemma, anyone I have spoken to thinks he has someone else or someone in the wings, in which case he is trying to keep me sweet whilst he finds somewhere to live/can get money together for somewhere as he has paid low rent with me and will struggle to pay normal London rent/is sure she wants him too, in which case I need to toughen up and tell him to get out of my home ASAP and not be falsely led on and taken advantage of (they feel quite strongly about this as they know I see the good in people and can be a doormat)

I worry he is actually a kind person deep down who has some demons and bad role models (his father is a serial cheat and ironically he detests that side to his father), and is cracking under the stress of London and a high pressure job environment and needs support. In which case I would want to be kind and a friend to him and hope if he sorts himself out that he may come back to me when he's ready.

From what I've said (so so sorry for how long it all is) : does he have someone else? Is he lying to me? Am I a doormat? Tough love or loving love? I feel such a mess, I never let myself believe I'd have a family and kids and real partner until I met him and let myself believe I had a chance at all that and now feel like I may be back to square one but with even more hurt and damage.

Thanks

OP posts:
JuicySwan · 16/06/2018 14:23

He’s a cunt.

Maidsrus · 16/06/2018 14:25

Don’t hold back juicyGrin

You are too young for this. Find someone who adores you

BMW6 · 16/06/2018 14:28

Yep, total cunt. Run far far away from him OP. Don't look back.

SittingAround1 · 16/06/2018 14:31

In answer to your questions
Another woman : who knows who cares, he's already been unfaithful to you so why do you need more proof?
Lying to you : probably
Doormat : yes kick him out now
Tough love or loving love : neither, no love

You are too young to waste your life on this man. Find a better one.

BIWI · 16/06/2018 14:31

It doesn't make any difference if there's another woman waiting in the wings. He's messing with your mind, treating you really badly and doesn't care that it's upsetting you. He has no respect for you.

Get rid of him.

GrumpyInsomniac · 16/06/2018 14:36

You know the answer to this, you just don't want it to be true. He doesn't respect you, and you're right, if he wants space he won't come back.

You need to take back control of the relationship and kick him out.

UtterlyDesperate · 16/06/2018 14:37

He's right. You do deserve better. It doesn't matter whether he's already lined up someone else, in all honesty - his attitude towards you is atrocious, and it won’t get better. If you need "space" to know if a relationship is for you, that's a good sign that it isn't. Make that decision for him,and kick the loser into touch.

Missingstreetlife · 16/06/2018 14:39

Run

FellOutOfBed2wice · 16/06/2018 14:41

Something that I wish I had known when I was your age: it shouldn’t be this hard. Regardless of whether he is cheating or has someone in the wings or whatever, he’s horrible and not being kind to you and it shouldn’t feel like this.

I spent years with a “great love” who made me feel like a Goddess when it was good and beyond shit when it was bad. Over time they bad times became more frequent than the good times and in the end I felt terrible all of the time. That’s what I thought love was supposed to look like: thought he had issues and that it was my job to save him (he did have issues but it wasn’t my job to save him!)

We eventually broke up and I honestly thought I would be alone forever. Then I met my now DH and what a difference! In almost 10yrs of marriage he’s never made me feel bad. We’ve never gone to bed arguing. He’s never been unkind to me. He’s kind and funny and sexy and I like him more than anyone else other than the children we now have. That’s what it should like.

Don’t waste your youth on this dickhead. Kick him out and tell him the cheap rent is over.

FellOutOfBed2wice · 16/06/2018 14:41

*Look like

Thingsdogetbetter · 16/06/2018 14:42

Actually, you need to get your judging pants on. Ffs. He's a cheat with anger issues who lies to you regularly, can't hold down a job, plays the hard done by victim, blames everything on anyone but himself and is stringing you along.

You think he MIGHT be a nice person DEEP down. Who cares? If you have to dig, support and be treated like crap to find a nice person under his layers of shite then you should be praying that he doesn't come back!

This irrational fear that you'll never have a partner and kids is making you ignore red flag bunting and you've lowered your boundaries so much a sausage dog could walk over them. You're only 24 ffs. Don't waste your youth on a man with issues he is not willing to work on.

And as Juicy so eloquently put it: he's a cunt!

pinkyredrose · 16/06/2018 14:43

Jesus he's playing the misunderstood, deep thinking arsehole to a T. OP you're not a mug, looks like he took advantage of your good nature to get fed and get a bunk up. Just do yourself a big ol' favour and get rid. Who needs this drama.

You'll only be a mug if you keep allowing this tool to keep you dangling.

mooncuplanding · 16/06/2018 14:43

You can't and won't fix him

Get rid and find someone who isn't constant drama (and abuse)

TheVastMajority · 16/06/2018 14:43

here's your problem OP:

but am actually really soppy and desperate to just love and be loved and be happy

You are so desperate to be in a relationship that you are accepting crap.

You know that... I stupidly stupidly took him back,

Now you need to get rid of him. at 24, relationships should not be this hard! Id tell him he has until 1 july to sling his hook. I'll say the same to you as I say to my DDs - YOU are the prize - 1st prize! - not a consolation prize. The lads you date have to prove they are worthy of your love, your respect, not the other way around.

QuentinSummers · 16/06/2018 14:48

This irrational fear that you'll never have a partner and kids is making you ignore red flag bunting and you've lowered your boundaries so much a sausage dog could walk over them. You're only 24 ffs. Don't waste your youth on a man with issues he is not willing to work on.

This. He has shown himself to be a cheat and with no respect for you. You deserve better and there is better out there. LTB before he destroys your self esteem completely.

pandamodium · 16/06/2018 14:56

Run.

You are young, you actually sound lovely and have put up with far too much shite.

I've been there wasted 5 years of my twenties I'm never getting back.

mummmy2017 · 16/06/2018 15:00

Please please please.
He is playing you.
He is cheating on you.
Tell him you agree you need time. Tell him to move out. Then walk away
Otherwise you are doomed to a life of hom cheating and being passive agressive.
You don't deserve how badly this will effect you if you allow it to carry on.

LordNibbler · 16/06/2018 15:01

Nothingsundercontrol you seem like a very nice person. And a person someone decent would be very lucky to have.
This guy....well you aren't the first he's done this to and I'm sorry to say you won't be the last. He's the sort who will keep on making the same mistakes and using women all his life. And most women when they are younger think they can 'fix' someone, help them, make them the person they were meant to be, to uncover the really decent person underneath. This NEVER works. NoOne can fix anyone else.
You have so much going for you, and you're only 24 so you have a whole lifetime ahead of you.
My advice and the advice of most of us on here who have several lifetimes of experience behind us is to ditch him. Yes, it will hurt, and yes you will feel the pain of a broken heart. Take this as a valuable life lesson, and keep the faith that you will find someone else who gives you all the love that you give them.

AttilaTheMusical · 16/06/2018 15:06

Do not stay in a relationship with this man, he is an unmitigated bastard who treats you appallingly.

Boot his arse from here to kingdom come and tell him his other women are welcome to him.

ladygracie · 16/06/2018 15:06

Get rid of him. He is a shit and his behaviour will only get worse.
You sound lovely and deserve someone who treats you right.

Nothingsundercontrol · 16/06/2018 15:23

Thank you all. I know you are ALL right and I do need to stand up for myself and get rid.

I left early this morning to stay with my Mum (he wants space and I'm the one who leaves my home, I really have acted like a doormat and need to respect myself a bit more), and I will go home tomorrow and tell him he needs to leave.

If I'm honest I'm a bit frightened about it, and of his reaction, which is so so wrong in itself. Any tips or suggestions to keep my belongings and myself safe and get him out?

OP posts:
TheVastMajority · 16/06/2018 15:28

I think you could play him at his own game - "Yes, I accept that you need space. I think you should move out for however long it takes for you to decide. Maybe go at the end of the week, because its really painful to have you here and say goodbye and I know that's what you want".

Then he feels he wins while you boot him out of the door.

pinkyredrose · 16/06/2018 15:55

Has he actually moved in or was he just staying for a bit?

PrizeOik · 16/06/2018 15:59

Yes you are a mug.

He's a cunt and a criminal who tried to kill you and doesn't give a fuck about you. Give your head a wobble.

It's not meant to be difficult op. Partners are supposed to improve your life. Never ever forget that, keep it crystal clear. If it starts to hurt - END IT. Every time.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2018 16:05

You are only 24 and relationships should not be such hard work honestly. He targeted you really and sensed both your desperation to be loved and rescuer tendencies.

You can never act as either a rescuer or saviour in a relationship. Learn that particular lesson now because it will come back and bite you hard otherwise.

You really do need to stand up for your own self here. Have someone with you for moral and physical support when you boot him out. And today as well rather than tomorrow. Why should he be there at all?.

What did you learn about relationships when growing up?. It may be that there is (well there certainly seems to be) an awful lot of stuff that needs to be unlearnt and counselling may well help you in that respect. Love your own self for a change. He does not and never has.

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