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Am I a mug? (So long, sorry)

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Nothingsundercontrol · 16/06/2018 14:15

Hi all, long time lurker and first post but love all the support and advice given on here. I am quite young and no kids but hoping for some advice. This is unbelievably long but don't want to drip-feed so appreciate if this gets no replies.

Backstory: me 24, great stable job for two years in London, family owned flat in nice central area with cheap rent, sporty and size 6-8 (not boasting relative later), kind and loyal to a fault, overly sensitive and difficult upbringing and can come across cold at first but am actually really soppy and desperate to just love and be loved and be happy. I'm a relationship person and past relationships ended due to youth and distance, and most recent because I'd grown up a lot over the years and my ex was very much in the student phase of life. Not his fault but parted on good terms as we both wanted different lives.

Him: same age, model looks, two jobs he does not enjoy in a year, quiet, active, sporty, anger issues (I have tried to support and understand and show him love and don't judge), moved to London to be with an ex in her family's home, he kissed someone on a work night out (only told me well into our relationship that he had previously cheated or I'd probably not have gone there in the first place), then said it fell apart because living together caused rows and he moved into a new flat whilst saying he to her they were still together and would make it work living apart but then ended it as soon as he moved into the new place. Met me about six weeks later.

Met a year and a half ago, I'd resigned myself to being single but was enjoying the odd date (more for a laugh and something to do) and he turned my life upside down. I had never known love like it, i couldn't believe I'd met someone who wanted to fight my corner and be on my side and support me. I think I am quite nice looking and like to make an effort with hair and clothes but he made me feel like the most stunning creature on the planet. I couldn't contain my happiness and thought that all the difficulties I'd had in life had been worth it to experience such a great love, like I'd experienced the bad so I would be ready to appreciate the wonder of this relationship. I couldn't believe how lucky I was and even better, he didn't seem to be able to believe how lucky he was either. Bliss and contentment and safety all in one.

Or so I thought, he hated his job. I supported him and helped in job search, he then found a new one and seemed happy to start. He was then off for six weeks. In this time after Christmas I noticed he was a bit off and for one week didn't want to be intimate with me (a marked change from the nine months previous where it would average 4/5 times a week at least). He then got very drunk one night and was horribly abusive, nearly killed us both dragging us under a tube platform, screaming at me when I was desperately trying to get us home safely, police offered to take him for the night so I could get home but refused as I couldn't do that to him. Police handed me his phone as he was going to drop it and when I got home his phone flashed up with a message from friend asking if he got home okay as he was so drunk. I opened the phone and found messages to his teenage years ex about a sexual dream he'd had the night before about her, messages to a 45 year old blonde woman asking if her response to his proposition was no, and someone down as an auntie who clearly was not an aunt and was actually a 50 year old model he had found on instagram and messaged and exchanged numbers with. Messages saying he'd missed chatting to her that week and asking if she could be his milf and he could be her toy boy. These messages were all sent that night whilst he was messaging me saying he loved me and was desperate for me to come out and meet him.

I stupidly stupidly took him back, he said he was a mess and worried about new job and had done this before and couldn't believe what he risked losing and had just gone mad. Promised he would build my trust and never do anything to hurt me again.

Gradually he seemed to begin to resent the fact that I'd ask the odd question about these women and if any had got back in touch, or for him to reassure me that nothing was going on. Admittedly any time his mood changed towards me I worried he was doubting us and talking to other women again. But overall, we have been happy and made plans for the future, booked a Christmas holiday and been on holiday with his family with more family trips booked later in the year. We celebrated our anniversary with a weekend away and it was wonderful and we agreed how happy we were and how we both felt we'd met the person we wanted to spend the rest of our lives with.

Three weeks ago he shut off. Complains of constant tiredness, doesn't want to go anywhere or do anything, bad moods and foul temper, picking on me and everything I do, causing huge arguments and I've been worn down by it all and have felt miserable. Begged him to tell me what is wrong as such a change made me worry he was depressed or about to have a breakdown, he just said he felt unhappy in himself and stressed recently. I have tried everything, asked to spend quality time and reconnect, cooked romantic dinners and given him some space as well. Any effort I have made has not been appreciated, he finds fault or says he's too tired to do anything. Rejects my advances sexually and made me cry more than I can count because it hurts so much. He says he has put on weight and I have too (I hadn't realised and am still a tall size 6-8) and doesn't feel sexy at the moment.

Things came to a head yesterday when I'd had enough of being treated nastily and I was so unhappy, somehow he turned it round on me and told me I was crazy and irrational and too emotional, he is logical and logically we are not going to end up together. It's like he's closed off all feelings for me. Says he needs space and isn't sure what he wants, I deserve better, he doesn't want to hurt me again, he's never been alone and independent and needs to find out who he is, but maybe if he gets some space (can't say if that means a week or a month or six months) he might want to be with me but doesn't know right now. I asked him to just be honest but he is adamant he doesn't know. I pointed out he's repeating history and I don't believe for one second if he moves out for six months there is any chance he'll end up back with me, offered to support him with his issues and maybe organise some counselling for him but he laughed at that idea.

So here's my dilemma, anyone I have spoken to thinks he has someone else or someone in the wings, in which case he is trying to keep me sweet whilst he finds somewhere to live/can get money together for somewhere as he has paid low rent with me and will struggle to pay normal London rent/is sure she wants him too, in which case I need to toughen up and tell him to get out of my home ASAP and not be falsely led on and taken advantage of (they feel quite strongly about this as they know I see the good in people and can be a doormat)

I worry he is actually a kind person deep down who has some demons and bad role models (his father is a serial cheat and ironically he detests that side to his father), and is cracking under the stress of London and a high pressure job environment and needs support. In which case I would want to be kind and a friend to him and hope if he sorts himself out that he may come back to me when he's ready.

From what I've said (so so sorry for how long it all is) : does he have someone else? Is he lying to me? Am I a doormat? Tough love or loving love? I feel such a mess, I never let myself believe I'd have a family and kids and real partner until I met him and let myself believe I had a chance at all that and now feel like I may be back to square one but with even more hurt and damage.

Thanks

OP posts:
Orlandointhewilderness · 18/06/2018 23:05

well done op. If you get a weak moment then come on here instead. what a twat. what a fabulous life you can have without him.

ScattyCharly · 18/06/2018 23:14

You sound like a decent person. Next time you get a partner, make sure that he is also a decent person.

This guy you’ve just got rid of sounds absolutely terrible. It’s clear that he’s nice looking and that is potentially how he’s got away with pulling all this shit. Not just with you, but with others.

Don’t go back to him or contact him in a moment of weakness. He isn’t good enough for you.

MrsCatE · 18/06/2018 23:25

Back to Juicy. Really worried now about what you said about returning to your own home. You have to go with family, friends (plural). Get him out - he can get any stuff he can't carry later and be prepared to change locks - even if you get keys off him

Please read all previous advice and don't falter.

Nothingsundercontrol · 19/06/2018 11:02

@MrsCatE - he is gone and locks are changed. I meant in my update post that I was afraid of being left alone to my own thoughts.

@ScattyCharly - I won't be going back, and yes he is gorgeous and quiet and pleasant when he meets people and no one can quite believe how cold and callous and nasty he's been. He's now updated Facebook page and removed every past trace of me as if I never existed. Have to wonder who the quick clean up has been for, not that it really matters now.

@Orlandointhewilderness I will definitely come back here if I have a moment of weakness. So glad I posted here last weekend, I don't think I'd have had the courage to get him out otherwise.

No tears today (yet!)

OP posts:
springydaff · 19/06/2018 11:47

Well done girl Flowers

JuicySwan · 19/06/2018 12:12

You’re brilliant OP 👍😁

Now change your username.

Zaphodsotherhead · 19/06/2018 12:33

Nobody needs someone who is 'kind deep down'. They need people who are kind all the way through.

Hope things work out for you, OP. You're so young, you have a lifetime of much nicer people ahead of you.

Nothingsundercontrol · 22/06/2018 23:56

Hi all - OP again.

Got through the week, ended up taking time off work due to stress and exhaustion and have had a really good rest. Been rereading this thread a lot and am so grateful for all your advice. I'm overwhelmed and in awe of all the support I have had.

I think ex has been trying to get a reaction and has been removing photos of me in batches (think he was expecting upset phone calls and for me to cry and say how hurtful I find it..) and messaged me today for the first time. It was about flights and holiday deposits asking what I wanted to do about them and if I wanted money back, asking if we could get the money back for mine as he is still using flights. No offer from him to give me the money himself, or asking how I am. I answered a few hours later saying "all are non-refundable so nothing to be done."

I wont engage further but struggle to understand what his motive here is? He knows there's no money to get back. Is he trying to control me or see if he still has power over me?

I am kicking myself for answering at all. My next problem is he left a few bits and pieces here that I was just going to throw away but I realised he's left a large high value item here and am stuck with it for now. Do I get a friend to say nothing but drop into lobby of his office one day? Don't want him to get any satisfaction out of me appearing upset or seemingly acting in anger. Massively overthinking but having one of those late nights lying in bed thinking.

PS: he also left his old phone here - he was sexting numerous other girls he found online whilst he was still very much together with his ex. Leopard never changes his spots and all that. Makes it clear the person I thought I knew and loved never truly existed.

OP posts:
pissedonatrain · 23/06/2018 08:55

It's what I love about this place. Never fails to give me the much needed kick up the arse.

His motive: He's a cunt.

Did you pay for the holiday?

As for the item, just sell it if you think someone would buy it. The rest out in the bin.

QuentinSummers · 23/06/2018 10:16

I would get someone else to give him the stuff yes.
His motive is to try to draw you into conversation. Probably because you left on your terms.

eightfacesofthemoon · 23/06/2018 10:23

Definitely get someone else to drop the stuff off
As others say he just wants to draw you in, and not for the right reasons. It is about control, no one leaves an expensive item without a reason.
Be strong! You’ll be better off without him and he’s clearly not mature enough to have a proper grown up relationship

dirtybadger · 23/06/2018 10:57

Block him on social media!!! He cant get to you via removing photos etc if you cant see them. It may be him doing it on purpose, it may just be he is doing it in short stints because he doesnt have time or cba to do them all at once

Is the item too heavy to mail? That would be first option.
2nd option would be to have a third party transfer is somehow between you.

Give him back his phone at the same time so you arent tempted to keep going over it.

I think your reply re holiday was fine. He isnt trying hard, but I guess he is still prodding to see if you might come crawling back for hid convenience. Keeping channels open. I wouldnt reply to any other messages unless absolutely necessary (e.g. about this high value thing).

Zaphodsotherhead · 23/06/2018 12:46

Is he trying to make you jealous by telling you he's going on the holiday anyway without you?

I'd go with sending him one final message, telling him you will be leaving his expensive stuff at his office (or, even better, a friend will be leaving it for you). That way you don't leave yourself open to messages at a later date about picking it up (and leaving you open to 'now I've been away from you I realise how much I miss you' so he can rinse and repeat his behaviour), you've got nothing left for him to contact you about. Then block him. Hard and fast from everything. You don't need to see what he's up to, and he should know that he's blocked. Take the control and keep it out his hands. If he gets one iota of control back, he will run you into the ground with it.

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AngelsSins · 23/06/2018 18:13

He’s abussive. The thing is, even IF he did have issues and was deep down a nice guy, it’s not your job to save him. It’s your job to save yourself.

Chances are at some point he’ll tell you you’re right, he knows he’s been a dick recently, and he just really needs your support right now, and if you could just do X, Y and Z, everything will be ok. Just remember, it’s not your job to look after him and appease him, you should not risk your safety and mental health for him. It’s HIS job to look after himself and sort his issues out on his own.

If you’re afraid of his reaction or that he might be lying about his mum, please take someone back to your house with you, ideally a man. Change the locks too.

AngelsSins · 23/06/2018 18:21

Sorry, I posted before I got through the whole thread because I was so enraged by his behaviour Grin

He’s attention seeking, wanting to hurt you, get a reaction.

I hope you did get your ears pierced, just think, by the time they’ve fully healed, you’ll be feeling a lot better, and hopefully he’d have given up his mind games.

Nothingsundercontrol · 23/06/2018 19:44

Hi all - agree best way forward is to get someone else to drop off his stuff. Don't think I'll tell him in advance, only when job is done and his belongings are already waiting for him. Then block delete and move on. I don't want to get drawn into any conversations or hear another word. Halfway through 'why does he do that' and things keep resonating with me, feel like I've had a very lucky escape from what would have been a miserable life.

@AngelsSins I got them done today!! Starting to really hurt now and I'll probably have an infection by this time next week which will also take my mind off things .

I think I'm over the shock now but have had a dodgy stomach for days and feel exhausted and worn out by all of this. I know (hope) this feeling will pass too - last weekend seems like an eternity ago now.

Thank you all again Thanks

OP posts:
Nothingsundercontrol · 20/10/2018 14:23

Hi all,

Apologies for the bump but just wanted to update and thank each and every one of you for your support on this thread and helping me get my life back.

As you all know I was utterly devastated back in June but I am through the heartbreak. I have redecorated my apartment, reconnected with the many (more than I knew I had) wonderful friends I have, gotten a promotion at work and have a brilliant social life at the moment. I've done a lot of work on myself and looking back can see how miserable I was being made and I am so relieved to be away from him.

It is the first time in my life I have been well and truly happy and free to be myself.

Thank you all for helping me to cut ties, I don't regret any of the pain because it's gotten me to where I am today. Forever grateful to all you lovely MNetters and if anyone else is in a similar situation it DOES get better!

OP posts:
JeSuisPrest · 20/10/2018 14:40

What a great update 👍

TheGoddessFrigg · 20/10/2018 15:06

Oh OP that is so lovely to read! What a brave strong young woman you are Flowers

Piccalillisnooze · 20/10/2018 15:34

Bless you, I was reading through hoping it was a great update! If it helps, I’m in forties and someone just asked me about my first relationship (I have similar background to you). I had to really search to find the memory, and actually all I CAN remember is how me and one of my best mates (who he similarly tormented) occasionally laugh together about what a comical dick he was in retrospect! And sigh very genuine sighs for his current long term partner who has been through the mill with him.

Dadaist · 20/10/2018 15:40

Hi OP
I’m afraid you will never ever get the kind of happy ending you want with this man. He is comfortable with lying to you cheating on you, abusing you and generally uninspired by the kind of loving relationship you offer.

I know it hurts - and we all want to be loved by the person we fall for (model looks, active, wonderful in our company and says all the right things) - but that isn’t who he really is!!!

He is seeking out thrills and risk and you simply are not the kind of person that wants an edgy, dark, open relationship that is not about warmth and comfort and intimacy - let alone children and commitment.

You are sooo young - so take it as a life lesson and move on knowing more about what you want. You will find it I feel sure. This man will steal your happiness and your future and feel nothing in doing so. Nothing! So don’t give it to him.

Rogueone · 20/10/2018 15:42

Wonderful update! Keep on enjoying life

altiara · 20/10/2018 17:00

OP fantastic update!

Namechange8471 · 20/10/2018 17:05

He's not that into you anymore

Sorry it hurts

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